healthcare.gov 2.0 coming soon.........................and accepting bitcoinsOriginally Posted by BeerAndPoker
healthcare.gov 2.0 coming soon.........................and accepting bitcoins
So let me get this straight, you whine on here night and day about government programs and handouts but you get your insurance from a company that makes all its money on government contracts.I am very lucky my wife works for United Technologies, we get the Cadillac plan every year (because I can afford it) and it goes up 5-10% every year even tho U.T. switches insurance carriers if necessary to get the best rates, cant blame that on Obamacare but I feel bad for the people that will be affected, they will take the penalty if they have to, nobody in America should be denied emergency room treatment due to lack of funds
Hypocrisy ain't just a river in Egypt.
she works for the Otis Elevator Div. moran, stop spewing you know nothing commieSo let me get this straight, you whine on here night and day about government programs and handouts but you get your insurance from a company that makes all its money on government contracts.
Hypocrisy ain't just a river in Egypt.
oh and how do you like your Canadian health system hockey fag
Last edited by Rollo Tomasi; 10-26-2013 at 07:31 PM.
I was at ESPN in Bristol, CT a few years ago.she works for the Otis Elevator Div. moran, stop spewing you know nothing commie
oh and how do you like your Canadian health system hockey fag
Bristol is home to Aaron Hernandez & the worlds tallest elevator test tower.
Kind of a stones throw from ESPN, I remember seeing & asking what the hell a building that tall is doing with no windows. Turns out it was Otis.
They simulate all your worst elevator nightmares & train their techs. Free falls to test elevator stops, etc. I always thought it was prolly a pretty cool take.
Is your wife a tech or mechanic? That is a pretty good gig, especially if she is union in a big city.
Is there something wrong with the Canadian healthcare system? I'll have to check & get back to you.
Just checked & it's pretty good. I can definitely live with it but thanks for asking.
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lol not a tech, tech's make good money but still dangerous, Otis loses about one tech a year due to work accidents, I think the last one died falling down a shaft, literally!I was at ESPN in Bristol, CT a few years ago.
Bristol is home to Aaron Hernandez & the worlds tallest elevator test tower.
Kind of a stones throw from ESPN, I remember seeing & asking what the hell a building that tall is doing with no windows. Turns out it was Otis.
They simulate all your worst elevator nightmares & train their techs. Free falls to test elevator stops, etc. I always thought it was prolly a pretty cool take.
Is your wife a tech or mechanic? That is a pretty good gig, especially if she is union in a big city.
the Corp big shots in CT make big money and get nice Corp perks like leased Jags & Vetts, my wifie is just an Admin
if you get sick GL facing your Canadian death panelsIs there something wrong with the Canadian healthcare system? I'll have to check & get back to you.
Just checked & it's pretty good. I can definitely live with it but thanks for asking.
"BY CHRISTINA BLIZZARD ,QMI AGENCY
FIRST POSTED: SATURDAY, OCTOBER 06, 2012 08:00 PM EDT |
TORONTO - Sarah Palin’s prophecy is a fact of life in Ontario
Palin, the former U.S. vice-presidential candidate and governor of Alaska, conjured up the Orwellian spectre of “death panels,” — faceless groups of bureaucrats who’d make tough decisions on who gets what medical care under socialized medicine.
In this province, a patient whose application for out-of-province care is turned down can appeal to the Health Services Appeals and Review Board (HSARB).
According to lawyer Perry Brodkin, almost all those appeals are rejected.
Part of the problem, he says, is that patients try to represent themselves at the hearings — and find themselves up against a battery of high-priced OHIP and ministry lawyers.
And high legal costs mean it’s only worthwhile hiring a lawyer if the procedure is expensive.
“When we’re talking $25,000 only, the legal fees are going to be pretty close to that.
“If your appeal is granted, you get nothing. If your appeal is denied, you pay the $25,000 (for the procedure) plus all the legal fees,” he said.
Either way, you’re out of pocket.
So who makes up these panels?
Well, of HSARB’s 43-person board, 31 are lawyers. One is a chartered accountant, one is a mortgage underwriter and the rest are a mix of educators and consultants. The position pays $398 a day.
So much for the little guy.
When it comes to drugs, there are three hurdles a new medication must clear to be paid for by the provincial government.
First it must be approved for safety by Health Canada.
Then a cross-country agency in Ottawa, the Canadian Agency for Drug Technologies and Health, made up of health specialists and patient reps make a recommendation to the provinces.
Because each province is structured differently, almost every province does another review.
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/06...ife-in-ontario
so like jesus turning water to wine, 408rollo has taken the debunked tea party rhetoric about obamacare and found a new home for it in the canadian health care system.
lock and ship.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Results don't lie douchebag. Canadians have much better health care than Americans.lol not a tech, tech's make good money but still dangerous, Otis loses about one tech a year due to work accidents, I think the last one died falling down a shaft, literally!
I was at ESPN in Bristol, CT a few years ago.
Bristol is home to Aaron Hernandez & the worlds tallest elevator test tower.
Kind of a stones throw from ESPN, I remember seeing & asking what the hell a building that tall is doing with no windows. Turns out it was Otis.
They simulate all your worst elevator nightmares & train their techs. Free falls to test elevator stops, etc. I always thought it was prolly a pretty cool take.
Is your wife a tech or mechanic? That is a pretty good gig, especially if she is union in a big city.
the Corp big shots in CT make big money and get nice Corp perks like leased Jags & Vetts, my wifie is just an Admin
if you get sick GL facing your Canadian death panelsIs there something wrong with the Canadian healthcare system? I'll have to check & get back to you.
Just checked & it's pretty good. I can definitely live with it but thanks for asking.
"BY CHRISTINA BLIZZARD ,QMI AGENCY
FIRST POSTED: SATURDAY, OCTOBER 06, 2012 08:00 PM EDT |
TORONTO - Sarah Palin’s prophecy is a fact of life in Ontario
Palin, the former U.S. vice-presidential candidate and governor of Alaska, conjured up the Orwellian spectre of “death panels,” — faceless groups of bureaucrats who’d make tough decisions on who gets what medical care under socialized medicine.
In this province, a patient whose application for out-of-province care is turned down can appeal to the Health Services Appeals and Review Board (HSARB).
According to lawyer Perry Brodkin, almost all those appeals are rejected.
Part of the problem, he says, is that patients try to represent themselves at the hearings — and find themselves up against a battery of high-priced OHIP and ministry lawyers.
And high legal costs mean it’s only worthwhile hiring a lawyer if the procedure is expensive.
“When we’re talking $25,000 only, the legal fees are going to be pretty close to that.
“If your appeal is granted, you get nothing. If your appeal is denied, you pay the $25,000 (for the procedure) plus all the legal fees,” he said.
Either way, you’re out of pocket.
So who makes up these panels?
Well, of HSARB’s 43-person board, 31 are lawyers. One is a chartered accountant, one is a mortgage underwriter and the rest are a mix of educators and consultants. The position pays $398 a day.
So much for the little guy.
When it comes to drugs, there are three hurdles a new medication must clear to be paid for by the provincial government.
First it must be approved for safety by Health Canada.
Then a cross-country agency in Ottawa, the Canadian Agency for Drug Technologies and Health, made up of health specialists and patient reps make a recommendation to the provinces.
Because each province is structured differently, almost every province does another review.
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/06...ife-in-ontario
So she works for the one non-military division. Guess what retard, if not for big fat government contracts your wife would be getting crap insurance from an elevator company not awesome insurance from United Technologies.she works for the Otis Elevator Div. moran, stop spewing you know nothing commie
oh and how do you like your Canadian health system hockey fag
Rollo, I live in Canada. That opinion column is sensationalist crap meant to sell newspapers & has very little basis in reality.
Universal healthcare is nothing to be afraid of dude. I've lived here 50 years & have never heard of a "death panel" & my mother died after a 40 year battle with cancer so it's not like my family has never used the system. If you have money you can get whatever you want just like America but if you're not wealthy you will still receive a high level of service & never be turned away or go bankrupt from medical bills because someone in your family happened to get cancer or something.
It's not perfect but it's not what you're being fed by the right wing in your country.
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What you wrote above looks good at first glance, until you really think about it.
You're basically saying that, in Canada, you can choose between mediocre government-sponsored care at no cost, and really good care at very high cost. This leaves out most people who want good care at a reasonable price -- an option available to most Americans right now under our current pre-Obamacare system. Now, keep in mind that I am NOT defending our current system. It has tons of flaws, unfairly shuts some people out, and is badly in need of reform. And we're getting reform in 2014 -- just not the right kind of reform. Earlier in this thread, I laid out my objections to the main concepts of Obamacare.
Universal health care is NOT the answer, especially in America.
Simply put, America's population is too big for Universal Health Care to succeed.
Canada's population is 11% the size of America's, and it is also more dense. When I say "more dense", I don't mean per square mile, but that most of Canada's population is concentrated in major metropolitan areas. The US has population spread around a big land mass, while Canada's population is very dense in a few areas and extremely sparse (or nonexistent) in the rest of the country. That also provides an advantage for government-run universal care.
For universal health care to work, the following has to be true:
1) The population is large enough to smooth out variance in health costs between individuals. For example, it would not work for tiny island nations, as a few expensive cancer patients above expectation could wipe out the whole system.
2) The population is generally socially responsible enough not to abuse the system. Obviously I'm not saying every single citizen is expected to behave responsibly, but if there is a culture where fraud/abuse commonly takes place, the system will have a big problem.
3a) The population needs to be small enough to where it is manageable and bureaucracy can be kept to a minimum.
3b) If the population is not small, it needs to be concentrated in relatively few areas to where it is easy to monitor.
The US has #1, but fails in all of the others.
Unfortunately, fraud is a big problem in the US, and the government is simply not ready to combat the unprecedented wave of fraud that would occur with a single-payer system. As you have seen, they couldn't even manage to build a working website, so obviously fighting mass fraud would be way beyond their abilities.
The population is too large and spread out to where such a system could be effectively managed. I say this from both a fraud and operations standpoint. The problem with health care is that it's very difficult to monitor and administer, as there is no "standard' when it comes to prescribing expensive tests, frequent doctor visits, etc. Every doctor has a different standard. For example, I can go to a doctor and complain of stomach pain. He might tell me it's likely nothing and send me home with just an office visit bill. Or he might prescribe thousands of dollars worth of tests. Or he might do something in the middle. Which one is right? It's often hard to tell, and that's even when there is no fraud involved. What if the doctor is steering me to a diagnostic facility that gives him kickbacks? Is that fraud, even if he legitimately thinks I need the tests?
The problem is that the federal government will never have the resources necessary to properly monitor our health care system. Private industry does that much better, as they are not hampered by as much bureaucracy, they have a strong incentive to deter fraud/waste, and they have a lot smaller of a job to do.
It is unrealistic to believe that the government for a country the size of the US could ever provide the proper oversight for the entire health care industry.
Universal health care is something that sounds great in theory, but would be terrible in practice in this country.
Obamacare started out with a noble goal -- to make sure all Americans have access to health care -- but it was poorly implemented and fails to address other huge problems. The two biggest omissions involve the crazy costs of our system and the inability for most patients to understand the cost of their procedures until after they've been completed. Instead, it's just a shell game to where the healthy pay even more to insure the sick, and the government foots the rest of the bill for the poor. So we're not reducing our nation's health care costs, and we're not giving the health care consumer more power to decide necessity of procedures based upon cost. Instead, we're just keeping everything the same, adding some previously uninsured people to the mix, and shifting around who pays for it. Terrible.
As for Canadian health care. All you need to do is understand why Tommy Douglas was voted greatest Canadian ever and that should give you an idea of how we feel about healthcare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Canadian
lol Canada taking credit for Bell living with his parents in a British Colony for a year never even a Canadian citizen, are you also going to take credit for anyone that owns a fishing shantey on a Canadian lake
Gretsky & Don Cherry in the top 10, you people seriously need to get a life
gotta start brushing up on my French with millions of Canadians invading SoFla soon
Last edited by Rollo Tomasi; 10-27-2013 at 01:34 PM.
And you wonder why others call you 408Rollo.
lol Canada taking credit for Bell living with his parents in a British Colony for a year never even a Canadian citizen, are you also going to take credit for anyone that owns a fishing shantey on a Canadian lake
Gretsky & Don Cherry in the top 10, you people seriously need to get a life
gotta start brushing up on my French with millions of Canadians invading SoFla soon
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if a bear is chasing you, you don't need to be faster than the bear, you need to be faster than the other guy you're withAnd you wonder why others call you 408Rollo.
oh and Druff forgot to mention:
an estimated 75 percent of Canadians live within 161 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border.
http://travel.nationalgeographic.com.../canada-facts/
all hail the Queen lol
Americans bow down to no man or woman
Last edited by Rollo Tomasi; 10-27-2013 at 02:07 PM.
What the fuck does all that have to do whether I'm happy with Canadian healthcare?if a bear is chasing you, you don't need to be faster than the bear, you need to be faster than the other guy you're with
oh and Druff forgot to mention:
an estimated 75 percent of Canadians live within 161 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border.
http://travel.nationalgeographic.com.../canada-facts/
all hail the Queen lol
Americans bow down to no man or woman
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according to your own government report most of your fellow citizens are not so happy:What the fuck does all that have to do whether I'm happy with Canadian healthcare?
3.2 Wait Times
Similarly negative views are evident when respondents are asked about “wait times”specifically. In 2005, for instance, when asked, “In the past two years, do you think that waiting times for elective surgery have become longer or shorter or have they remained the
same?,” 67 per cent of respondents said “longer” (Figure 48). Perhaps more strikingly, only three per cent said shorter. In 2004, 52 per cent of respondents believed that waiting times for MRIs and CAT scans had worsened, 58 per cent believed that waiting times for surgeries
had worsened, and 64 per cent believed that waiting times in hospital emergency rooms had worsened (Figure 49).
Pollara data from 2005 show respondents’ estimates of waiting times. Respondents were most likely to believe that “a 50-year-old woman with a lump in her breast that requires a biopsy” will have to wait between one and five months (Figure 50). A “65-year-old man who requires a routine hip replacement” is expected to wait six to 12 months (Figure 51), while a typical emergency-room wait is expected to last two to four hours
http://www.queensu.ca/cora/_files/PublicPerceptions.pdf
if your wife had to wait 5 months for a biopsy she could have gone from stage one to stage three cancer in that time period
Last edited by Rollo Tomasi; 10-27-2013 at 06:43 PM.
We are most likely fucked. I don't see any other possibility that the quality of life in the US isn't downgraded in a major way over the next 10-15 years. Obamacare will be the straw that broke the camels back.
It's truly a shame really, religion will once again play a part in the downfall of a great nation IMO. Unfortunately the party that actually would be fiscally responsible, and have the right ideas of how to get our country out of the giant mess we are in, have a faction that is so far right that it makes it impossible for uncommitted voters like myself to throw a vote their way.
Fucked.
$94 is the fine/penalty for not having health insurance the first year...your return will include that penalty and your refund will be lower because of itWell fuck me. I have a relatively big refund coming and have elected not to pay for health insurance. =/
btw...doesn't Bluff Magazine have an employee health plan?
(long before there was a PFA i had my Grenade & Crossbones avatar at DD)
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