Let's talk about what happened...

[sonatine]

I like you Angel, but you can't just slide back in here like nothing every happened

Im pretty sure at this point she can at this point.

Seriously.

Not only is that drama ancient, but its a dew drop in the ocean at this point.


Vwls this is the post I made that you clearly dreampt about while we were having fucked up astral sex:

What a lot of people might not be aware of in this thread, is that among people who play poker seriously in Vegas, loans to each other are a huge part of the culture. To not give a loan is a huge deal, especially to someone who has loaned you money.

And one of the reasons I felt a real bond with Brandon is because he isnt part of that culture. The kid is a fantastic poker player, but I dont think hes a gambler, and I mean that as a compliment. A big one. I dont think Brandon needs to stay in action. He can go hard with the best of them but I dont think its a compulsion for him.

And what we have here is a friendship between a guy who has to stay in action, and a guy who thinks action is kinda corny, is my read.

That Micon assumed Drexel was part of his culture is unfortunate but I dont think it ever occurred to him that Brandon was not actually in that tribe, and considered its trappings and ceremony to be adolescent and destructive at the end of the day.

To me, I see Micon not getting what he wants and throwing a full blown tantrum. To Micon, he sees a friend failing to honor a code, something old school and hallowed. I guarantee you Micon felt hung out to dry when Brandon turned him down.

I also guarantee that anyone who doesnt spend his life at a poker table is going to find Micon's response fucking ludicrous.

But thats the life Micon has chosen. Thats his culture. It has rules. And the saddest part here is that Im not sure Micon understands that those rules are not rules that society at large condones, and exist for the same reasons junkies have rules, crackheads have rules, so on; to make sure that peoples addictions come first.

I never thought Id say this; I think this site might be over. Micon I feel like you wanted to be a petite Howard Stern here, but forgot that Howard Stern is, first and foremost, an outrageously competent business man and always has been. Always. That's why hes the ring leader. What the fuck type of ring leader passive aggressively stiffs his employees for months then demands a loan from them? Ill tell you what type; the type with a rapidly diminishing ring to lead.

This is some serous Sam Grizzle caliber bullshit on your part, and I cant imagine a more damning indictment of 'poker culture' than the things Ive seen you proclaim in this thread.

You're light years out of line on this one. You're basically blaming Brandon for not solving Micon problems. Well Im sorry but Micon problems need Micon solutions, not Brandon's money solutions. Brandon is not a bank. And Brandon would have coughed up a kidney for you if you needed it until 4 days ago.

My advice to you is to pick a side. Like, pretty much now. Are you a degen grinder who throws away friendships when people refuse to finance your gambling? Because thats got a pretty limited end game. That guy doesnt get announcing gigs, sponsorships, etc. That guy is a pain in the ass to do business with because he has no idea how business is done beyond the felt.

Take this opportunity to recalibrate your expectations from people to a more socially acceptable norm, then build on that. Build friendships, build business relationships, and do so because these things are more important than staying in action.

I was really pissed off when this whole thing went down with Drexel & Micon largely because I felt that conversations and potentially invaluable council I had given Micon in private on a few occasions during the previous months had clearly been completely squandered, and at this point I still have no idea if he even understands the consequences of his decisions.

[tyde]

I was really pissed off when this whole thing went down with Drexel & Micon largely because I felt that conversations and potentially invaluable council I had given Micon in private on a few occasions during the previous months had clearly been completely squandered, and at this point I still have no idea if he even understands the consequences of his decisions.

not concerned about dredging up old dramas. angel doesn't owe anyone any explanations

whats tilting me is coming back with open arms condemning Micon for abandoning Todd when the entire trio was ripping her to shreds

and might I add...telling a lot of lies about her and painting her out to be some kind of whore and thief. I personally had a series of conference calls with Drex and Micon and they were determined to fucking ruin her.

yes that tilts me when she is making a re-entrance without some kind of closure.

this is still worth clarifying imo

[neveragain39]

I was really pissed off when this whole thing went down with Drexel & Micon largely because I felt that conversations and potentially invaluable council I had given Micon in private on a few occasions during the previous months had clearly been completely squandered, and at this point I still have no idea if he even understands the consequences of his decisions.

I suspect micon is living in a fog right about now. Pretty sure he's playing on borrowed money, pimping bitcoins, playin slots, and smoking weed daily. just so sad, seriously.

[tyde]

I suspect micon is living in a fog right about now. Pretty sure he's playing on borrowed money, pimping bitcoins, playin slots, and smoking weed daily. just so sad, seriously.

[Dan Druff]

Marty, what are you trying to do? Drive Angel back into forum retirement?

The negative stuff that happened between us is in the past now. She is over it, and I am over it. It's been years since I've said a single unkind word about her.

As far as I'm concerned, she's a good person to have on these forums -- and not just for her photoshopping capabilities.

Marty, you should be familiar with this concept more than anyone, because nearly everyone you're on good terms with these days is someone you once vigorously fought with.

[lewfather]

Marty, what are you trying to do? Drive Angel back into forum retirement?

The negative stuff that happened between us is in the past now. She is over it, and I am over it. It's been years since I've said a single unkind word about her.

As far as I'm concerned, she's a good person to have on these forums -- and not just for her photoshopping capabilities.

Marty, you should be familiar with this concept more than anyone, because nearly everyone you're on good terms with these days is someone you once vigorously fought with.

its his complex bro

[tyde]

Marty, what are you trying to do? Drive Angel back into forum retirement?

The negative stuff that happened between us is in the past now. She is over it, and I am over it. It's been years since I've said a single unkind word about her.

As far as I'm concerned, she's a good person to have on these forums -- and not just for her photoshopping capabilities.

Marty, you should be familiar with this concept more than anyone, because nearly everyone you're on good terms with these days is someone you once vigorously fought with.

I thought I made myself pretty clear about why I rekindled this.

Because there are a lot of unanswered questions and yes I know you are 'over it' and all, but that's not good enough

I suppose I am fighting a losing battle posting on this site trying to hold you accountable for a lot of these slanderous tactics which you used against not just Angel and myself, but plenty of others

you will notice I am being respectful in my replies

No I don't want to reignite all this crap with Angel, but I do feel like you and Micon and Brandon all owe her a fucking apology. Either that, or she needs to come clean about this rolling.

There is no gray area

stop pointing the finger at me for being some kind of instigator or disrupting the tone of your new cake party

[408Mike]

We can definitely let the old drama die - I'm cool with that..

like I said in another thread, I really don't know the details of the whole icfishies drama involved

but since my other thread hasn't been responded to...

are we just to assume that you are totally cool with being slandered ?

or is there some truth to this rolling

I like you Angel, but you can't just slide back in here like nothing every happened

Either you want to squash any discussion of your dealings with that guy who you supposedly rolled, or you are the most forgiving person on the internet

This was not that long ago.

Not picking favorites with anyone here, but I remember like it was yesterday when you were getting ripped to shreds by Todd, Micon and Brandon, and now you are back with a basket full of sunshine and rainbows.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU???????

[tyde]

lol 408

its called logic

[408Mike]

lol 408

its called logic

SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE!

DAMNIT WE HAVE A GOOD THING GOING HERE AND ANGEL IS VERY MUCH A PART OF THE TEAM

WHAT THE HELL WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE YOU HAPPY?????

EVERY POST LATELY IS VENOMOUS AND YOU LITERALLY EXUDE UNHAPPINESS AND CONTEMPT. IF YOU CAN'T BE PART OF SOMETHING BIGGER THAN YOURSELF AND ACTUALLY BE HAPPY TO SEE PEOPLE YOU MIGHT ON SOME LEVEL CONSIDER FRIENDS ENJOY THEMSELVES WOULD YOU AT LEAST BE A AN HONORABLE MAN AND JUST LEAVE?

TAKE WINNY AND GO FIND A SMILE SOMEPLACE AND COME BACK IN BETTER SPIRITS MAN. SERIOUSLY.

[XteraveX]

well, i don't like to speak for other people so i'll just make one post on the subject then leave it alone. maybe our lady friend is willing to let bygones be bygones because she has a big kind gentle loving heart, and she knows that ole druffster is just a good ole guy when is comes right down to it so no sense in beating him over the head with it.

[Bootsy Collins]

Marty, what are you trying to do? Drive Angel back into forum retirement?

The negative stuff that happened between us is in the past now. She is over it, and I am over it. It's been years since I've said a single unkind word about her.

As far as I'm concerned, she's a good person to have on these forums -- and not just for her photoshopping capabilities.

Marty, you should be familiar with this concept more than anyone, because nearly everyone you're on good terms with these days is someone you once vigorously fought with.

I thought I made myself pretty clear about why I rekindled this.

Because there are a lot of unanswered questions and yes I know you are 'over it' and all, but that's not good enough

I suppose I am fighting a losing battle posting on this site trying to hold you accountable for a lot of these slanderous tactics which you used against not just Angel and myself, but plenty of others

you will notice I am being respectful in my replies

No I don't want to reignite all this crap with Angel, but I do feel like you and Micon and Brandon all owe her a fucking apology. Either that, or she needs to come clean about this rolling.

There is no gray area

stop pointing the finger at me for being some kind of instigator or disrupting the tone of your new cake party

Marty, why are we trying to rehash NWP/DD drama from years ago? It is pretty obvious that Vwls has moved on from those incidents. Todd has a great thing going here. We all pretty much have our reasons for leaving or not being as active on DD. Lets all get over it and move on.

[Vwls]

Vwls this is the post I made that you clearly dreampt about while we were having fucked up astral sex:

What a lot of people might not be aware of in this thread, is that among people who play poker seriously in Vegas, loans to each other are a huge part of the culture. To not give a loan is a huge deal, especially to someone who has loaned you money.

And one of the reasons I felt a real bond with Brandon is because he isnt part of that culture. The kid is a fantastic poker player, but I dont think hes a gambler, and I mean that as a compliment. A big one. I dont think Brandon needs to stay in action. He can go hard with the best of them but I dont think its a compulsion for him.

And what we have here is a friendship between a guy who has to stay in action, and a guy who thinks action is kinda corny, is my read.

That Micon assumed Drexel was part of his culture is unfortunate but I dont think it ever occurred to him that Brandon was not actually in that tribe, and considered its trappings and ceremony to be adolescent and destructive at the end of the day.

To me, I see Micon not getting what he wants and throwing a full blown tantrum. To Micon, he sees a friend failing to honor a code, something old school and hallowed. I guarantee you Micon felt hung out to dry when Brandon turned him down.

I also guarantee that anyone who doesnt spend his life at a poker table is going to find Micon's response fucking ludicrous.

But thats the life Micon has chosen. Thats his culture. It has rules. And the saddest part here is that Im not sure Micon understands that those rules are not rules that society at large condones, and exist for the same reasons junkies have rules, crackheads have rules, so on; to make sure that peoples addictions come first.

I never thought Id say this; I think this site might be over. Micon I feel like you wanted to be a petite Howard Stern here, but forgot that Howard Stern is, first and foremost, an outrageously competent business man and always has been. Always. That's why hes the ring leader. What the fuck type of ring leader passive aggressively stiffs his employees for months then demands a loan from them? Ill tell you what type; the type with a rapidly diminishing ring to lead.

This is some serous Sam Grizzle caliber bullshit on your part, and I cant imagine a more damning indictment of 'poker culture' than the things Ive seen you proclaim in this thread.

You're light years out of line on this one. You're basically blaming Brandon for not solving Micon problems. Well Im sorry but Micon problems need Micon solutions, not Brandon's money solutions. Brandon is not a bank. And Brandon would have coughed up a kidney for you if you needed it until 4 days ago.

My advice to you is to pick a side. Like, pretty much now. Are you a degen grinder who throws away friendships when people refuse to finance your gambling? Because thats got a pretty limited end game. That guy doesnt get announcing gigs, sponsorships, etc. That guy is a pain in the ass to do business with because he has no idea how business is done beyond the felt.

Take this opportunity to recalibrate your expectations from people to a more socially acceptable norm, then build on that. Build friendships, build business relationships, and do so because these things are more important than staying in action.

I was really pissed off when this whole thing went down with Drexel & Micon largely because I felt that conversations and potentially invaluable council I had given Micon in private on a few occasions during the previous months had clearly been completely squandered, and at this point I still have no idea if he even understands the consequences of his decisions.

What a great post. I also didn't know that the rift between Brandon and Micon was caused by a refused loan. Thanks for educating.

[WillieMcFML]

Marty, what are you trying to do? Drive Angel back into forum retirement?

The negative stuff that happened between us is in the past now. She is over it, and I am over it. It's been years since I've said a single unkind word about her.

As far as I'm concerned, she's a good person to have on these forums -- and not just for her photoshopping capabilities.

Marty, you should be familiar with this concept more than anyone, because nearly everyone you're on good terms with these days is someone you once vigorously fought with.

I thought I made myself pretty clear about why I rekindled this.

Because there are a lot of unanswered questions and yes I know you are 'over it' and all, but that's not good enough

I suppose I am fighting a losing battle posting on this site trying to hold you accountable for a lot of these slanderous tactics which you used against not just Angel and myself, but plenty of others

you will notice I am being respectful in my replies

No I don't want to reignite all this crap with Angel, but I do feel like you and Micon and Brandon all owe her a fucking apology. Either that, or she needs to come clean about this rolling.

There is no gray area

stop pointing the finger at me for being some kind of instigator or disrupting the tone of your new cake party

From another jewdonk post on the SAME PAGE.

not concerned about dredging up old dramas. angel doesn't owe anyone any explanations

[Vwls]

O yes........ Little meek druff. Who is not overbearing, criticle, condescending, smug, dominating, backstabbing, controlling, sweet little lamb who had absolutely 0.0% fault in what ever happned.

And the big bad MICON waiting for another buss to come by cause he has another victim locked and loaded for launch bears 100.100.100% of responsibility to what happned. Oops wait we forgot some one, our Angel sent from heaven sweet Brandon who only really wants to do good, he couldent possibly have anything to do with, really he was just mindlessly helping his verry bestus of buddies to help him with his problem.

Fucking Please are you serous did you listen to the same showes I did cause i herd some different shit. Things happned and not all of it rolled out on the radio only Druff, Micon and Brandon know the truth so you again are just guessing, fucking awful! Druff with out a doubt eats flowers and poops out butterflies,
Less we not forget the listeners druffs faithful followers flufing flowers at his feet who relentsly posted again and again tormenting druff at will, now of course there names have changed (fucking spineless pussies) so druff won't be reminded of what you fucking mutts did to him, you know who you are and so Does Druff.

This thred was nothing more than the Spanish inquisition.

Wow. Well for one thing, your writing is a bit difficult to understand/decipher. For another, I didn't listen to any of the shows, so I'm at a disadvantage. But I get that you are, in your unique way, trying to defend Micon's choices, while at the same time shifting the blame to Brandon. Did I get that right?

I have no idea what Brandon's role in it was. But in the end, it doesn't matter. Micon and Druff built the empire years before, and the alliegance due was due regardless of who joined the fold later.

Are you arguing that Druff deserved the outcome? Please enlighten me then. Tell me please what he did that was so unforgiveable, that he should have been treated like an outcast, blocked and tossed away like trash... excommunicated from his business/family? Please share with me what could have been bad enough to merit this. Did he kill someone? Rape Micon's mother? What was his crime?

[XteraveX]

Wow. Well for one thing, your writing is a bit difficult to understand/decipher. For another, I didn't listen to any of the shows, so I'm at a disadvantage. But I get that you are, in your unique way, trying to defend Micon's choices, while at the same time shifting the blame to Brandon. Did I get that right?

I have no idea what Brandon's role in it was. But in the end, it doesn't matter. Micon and Druff built the empire years before, and the alliegance due was due regardless of who joined the fold later.

Are you arguing that Druff deserved the outcome? Please enlighten me then. Tell me please what he did that was so unforgiveable, that he should have been treated like an outcast, blocked and tossed away like trash... excommunicated from his business/family? Please share with me what could have been bad enough to merit this. Did he kill someone? Rape Micon's mother? What was his crime?

[Vwls]

We can definitely let the old drama die - I'm cool with that..

like I said in another thread, I really don't know the details of the whole icfishies drama involved

but since my other thread hasn't been responded to...

are we just to assume that you are totally cool with being slandered ?

or is there some truth to this rolling

I like you Angel, but you can't just slide back in here like nothing every happened

Either you want to squash any discussion of your dealings with that guy who you supposedly rolled, or you are the most forgiving person on the internet

This was not that long ago.

Not picking favorites with anyone here, but I remember like it was yesterday when you were getting ripped to shreds by Todd, Micon and Brandon, and now you are back with a basket full of sunshine and rainbows.

OK fair enough Marty. I'll respond to your post - hopefully after this we can all move on. I do agree with you though that it needs to be addressed.

Yes my name was definitely slandered and terrible things were said about me - that wasn't fair. And of course I was hurt by it. But I also take responsibility for bringing it about. That is - my crappy choices created the problem to begin with, and when you act irresponsibly and make poor choices, you bring bad shit into your life. Sometimes the bad shit blows up into a huge mess, regardless of the gravity of your original sin. You can blame everyone else and be an angry person, or you can shoulder the responsibility for it, fix it and move on. I chose the latter. For my own peace of mind. At the end of the day, you have to like who you are. I like me better when I have peace with others and can go to bed at night feeling I did the right thing.

Here is what happened. I had a really bad patch in my life around the time my mom got sick with cancer. For those who give a shit, you can read about it here: http://vwls-stories.blogspot.com/201...shekhinah.html. At this time, I had a friendship with a pretty great guy - you know him as ICFishies. To set the record completely straight, this person was a real friend to me, with no ulterior motives, despite the BS people have tossed out there. He was not trying to get in my pants, or get anything else from me. He was my friend, and he saw that he could help - it's really that simple. Yes, people do kind things for others - it is possible, all you jaded fucks.

He came to my rescue by having me set up an account on an online gambling site that would enable him to make sports bets - the portion he gave me from the winnings was a gift basically, because I have zero skill betting sports. He needed an account in someone else's name because he was too good at it, and had been banned from betting online. So yes, he had something to gain, but the true motivation was really to help me out because I was slipping into a terrible abyss financially due to the expenses I was incurring with my mom's illness and later, her death. He didn't have the money to just pay for everything, but he had a skill that could produce it.

The account was initially established, and money was provided to me to get that in place, as well as pay some of my immediate bills that were looming. The understanding was that after the account had generated enough money, the set up costs would be returned to him through the wins. And then some. In the beginning, he did win, and the consequence was that I was kicked off the first site. I had to establish a new account at a different site so we could keep going. Then things went bad. He started to lose. At first, I still had enough in the bank to re-fund the new account, but the losses kept coming. I made my first big mistake here. I did not tell him just how little I had - I suppose I was embarrassed by how bad things were for me. So when the money ran out, and I couldn't re-fund the account any more, the enterprise stopped. My second mistake was worse than the first. Rather than deal with the situation head on like a man (or like a woman I suppose), I let myself slip into a depression and hermitted. It's something I do now and then when I am really down. I just don't communicate. I don't call. I shut down.

So a lot of time went by, and we never talked about what was going to happen. IC too was silent about it. But it wasn't his responsibility to deal with it - it was mine. The more time elapsed, the more I put it out of my head. I am guilty of letting it go too long and not making arrangements to make it right. I am also guilty of arguing about it online with Druff instead of immediately being a responsible human being when I was confronted.

Now since that fiasco, I did take steps to pay back what I owed and restablished a trusting friendship with IC. However, the truth is that I am not paid in full to this day, and due to another series of crises, I have not made a payment to him in a while. I do not feel good about this. I do have a plan to rebuild financially, and it does not involve gambling. I promise you that I will make it right - I am not a bad person - just struggling right now. Too many bad things have happened in the past few years and I am in a very deep hole. Mom'ds death was just the first in a series of disasters. My father dropped dead from a heart attack, was recussitated and now has brain damage. He had to be put into a nursing facility, and like my mother, he left no money to cover costs or pay his outstanding bills. The value of my house dropped when the real estate market crashed - it went from $226,000 to $55,000. The bank refused to rewrite my loan. I had to short sell, my credit was ruined - a familiar story I am sure, but devastating. At the same time, my husband's income was garnished for outstanding student loans, leaving him unable to contribute anything to the household. There's more on the list, but you get the idea. I am not making excuses - please understand me. I am going to recover from this - it will take time and hard work. And IC will never again be ignored. I count him as a dear friend and I am truly sorry for the way I handled things.

Now. As to forgiveness. Marty, you seem to feel that when people do you wrong, the proper action is to excommunicate them from your life, and never look back. I do not operate that way. I am willing to forgive, willing to admit my own guilt, and willing to move forward. If Micon and Druff are willing, then there is no reason why we can't do that. You may look at it as a basket of bullshit and rainbows, but I see it as a better way to live life. There is good and bad in everyone, and they are not bad people. Do you really believe they are inherently evil? I think in your heart you know that's not the case.

[Baron Von Strucker]

O yes........ Little meek druff. Who is not overbearing, criticle, condescending, smug, dominating, backstabbing, controlling, sweet little lamb who had absolutely 0.0% fault in what ever happned.

And the big bad MICON waiting for another buss to come by cause he has another victim locked and loaded for launch bears 100.100.100% of responsibility to what happned. Oops wait we forgot some one, our Angel sent from heaven sweet Brandon who only really wants to do good, he couldent possibly have anything to do with, really he was just mindlessly helping his verry bestus of buddies to help him with his problem.

Fucking Please are you serous did you listen to the same showes I did cause i herd some different shit. Things happned and not all of it rolled out on the radio only Druff, Micon and Brandon know the truth so you again are just guessing, fucking awful! Druff with out a doubt eats flowers and poops out butterflies,
Less we not forget the listeners druffs faithful followers flufing flowers at his feet who relentsly posted again and again tormenting druff at will, now of course there names have changed (fucking spineless pussies) so druff won't be reminded of what you fucking mutts did to him, you know who you are and so Does Druff.

This thred was nothing more than the Spanish inquisition.

Wow. Well for one thing, your writing is a bit difficult to understand/decipher. For another, I didn't listen to any of the shows, so I'm at a disadvantage. But I get that you are, in your unique way, trying to defend Micon's choices, while at the same time shifting the blame to Brandon. Did I get that right?

I have no idea what Brandon's role in it was. But in the end, it doesn't matter. Micon and Druff built the empire years before, and the alliegance due was due regardless of who joined the fold later.

Are you arguing that Druff deserved the outcome? Please enlighten me then. Tell me please what he did that was so unforgiveable, that he should have been treated like an outcast, blocked and tossed away like trash... excommunicated from his business/family? Please share with me what could have been bad enough to merit this. Did he kill someone? Rape Micon's mother? What was his crime?

Thank you for replying to my post and please understand that I have much respect for you. Even though are some question to what motivated your returne.


I will try to write slower so you can understand better

You said you dident listen to the shows but you have a solid and defined opinion on how Druff left.

And please point out were I indicated that Brandon is solely to blame?

I would suggest that there would be some shaired blame here maby not equal, but they all had there part in whatever happned when druff left, these were very volatile times Druff wold berate Micon for five minits on air for being two munites late for the show many times this kind of things would happen on air, and Micon woiuld retaliate right back, this went on and on back and forth untill the wheels came off for good.
Druff left on his owne he was not fired.

. Loren (LA Kings fan) probably has the best insight on this subject but he has indicated that he had been threatened from druff a lawsuit so he clamed up and released his shairs in DD to Micon and would not say what was on his mind, There long time relationship was severd from this mess as well.

You say that you have no idea of Brandon's part in this and suggest he was powerless to bring a stop to the swath of carnage Micon had delivered. You may be right there, Brandon could answer that if he wanted, but he certainly sliped himself into the #2 position with out a problem, and that to me suggests some sort of collusion had gone on there.

Also I would say I was very disappointed when druff left the show as I was when Brandon left. Some times this happened when you get three giant egos together to do a show like what they did, in any case the way this happned, it was extremely unprofessional. Not just by Micon.

I have never claimed that I have Knowledge on what happned between them other what we all herd on radio and posts on. The DD forum.

I have never defendid Micons choices he made definatly they were bad, but I won't sit and watch a buch of uninformed witch hunters burn him at the stake without saying something,
But I guess the fire is lit so might as well ler him burn I guess?

You say forgive and forget, for druff and Brandon but not for Micon hmmmm any reason for that?

I think I will call bullshit on your claim that you never read the DD forum since you initaly left. Not even a little peek?

Say what you want and spin it to what ever advantage suits you, I am done with it.

[Suicide King]

Why is jewdonk the only person not over the incident that happen to somebody else?

[Vwls]

O yes........ Little meek druff. Who is not overbearing, criticle, condescending, smug, dominating, backstabbing, controlling, sweet little lamb who had absolutely 0.0% fault in what ever happned.

And the big bad MICON waiting for another buss to come by cause he has another victim locked and loaded for launch bears 100.100.100% of responsibility to what happned. Oops wait we forgot some one, our Angel sent from heaven sweet Brandon who only really wants to do good, he couldent possibly have anything to do with, really he was just mindlessly helping his verry bestus of buddies to help him with his problem.

Fucking Please are you serous did you listen to the same showes I did cause i herd some different shit. Things happned and not all of it rolled out on the radio only Druff, Micon and Brandon know the truth so you again are just guessing, fucking awful! Druff with out a doubt eats flowers and poops out butterflies,
Less we not forget the listeners druffs faithful followers flufing flowers at his feet who relentsly posted again and again tormenting druff at will, now of course there names have changed (fucking spineless pussies) so druff won't be reminded of what you fucking mutts did to him, you know who you are and so Does Druff.

This thred was nothing more than the Spanish inquisition.

Wow. Well for one thing, your writing is a bit difficult to understand/decipher. For another, I didn't listen to any of the shows, so I'm at a disadvantage. But I get that you are, in your unique way, trying to defend Micon's choices, while at the same time shifting the blame to Brandon. Did I get that right?

I have no idea what Brandon's role in it was. But in the end, it doesn't matter. Micon and Druff built the empire years before, and the alliegance due was due regardless of who joined the fold later.

Are you arguing that Druff deserved the outcome? Please enlighten me then. Tell me please what he did that was so unforgiveable, that he should have been treated like an outcast, blocked and tossed away like trash... excommunicated from his business/family? Please share with me what could have been bad enough to merit this. Did he kill someone? Rape Micon's mother? What was his crime?

Thank you for replying to my post and please understand that I have much respect for you. Even though are some question to what motivated your returne.

I will try to write slower so you can understand better

You said you dident listen to the shows but you have a solid and defined opinion on how Druff left.

And please point out were I indicated that Brandon is solely to blame?

I would suggest that there would be some shaired blame here maby not equal, but they all had there part in whatever happned when druff left, these were very volatile times Druff wold berate Micon for five minits on air for being two munites late for the show many times this kind of things would happen on air, and Micon woiuld retaliate right back, this went on and on back and forth untill the wheels came off for good.
Druff left on his owne he was not fired.

. Loren (LA Kings fan) probably has the best insight on this subject but he has indicated that he had been threatened from druff a lawsuit so he clamed up and released his shairs in DD to Micon and would not say what was on his mind, There long time relationship was severd from this mess as well.

You say that you have no idea of Brandon's part in this and suggest he was powerless to bring a stop to the swath of carnage Micon had delivered. You may be right there, Brandon could answer that if he wanted, but he certainly sliped himself into the #2 position with out a problem, and that to me suggests some sort of collusion had gone on there.

Also I would say I was very disappointed when druff left the show as I was when Brandon left. Some times this happened when you get three giant egos together to do a show like what they did, in any case the way this happned, it was extremely unprofessional. Not just by Micon.

I have never claimed that I have Knowledge on what happned between them other what we all herd on radio and posts on. The DD forum.

I have never defendid Micons choices he made definatly they were bad, but I won't sit and watch a buch of uninformed witch hunters burn him at the stake without saying something,

You say forgive and forget, for druff and Brandon but not for Micon hmmmm any reason for that?

I think I will call bullshit on your claim that you never read the DD forum since you initaly left. Not even a little peek?

Say what you want and spin it to what ever advantage suits you, I am done with it.

Most likely there is blame to share across all parties - that's usually the case. But no matter what the new partners do, it's up to the original partners to sit down and hash things out like brothers. To come to some kind of fair and sensible understanding. Even if that understanding is to part ways, that should be done with great respect and tact. The little bit of info I was privy to led me to believe that it was handled poorly - Druff was blocked from his admin access and treated like a leper. Everyone ganged up on him and pushed him out like yesterday's trash. I have yet to hear one good reason for this. It is inexcusable.

After Druff was pushed out, I did come back to DD a couple of times - I posted once or twice. I wrote to Druff on Facebook trying to gague what was going on. I think one of my posts on DD was asking why they couldn't work things out. I was told that Druff was now a horrible human being and that this was the right decision. That did not sit right with me. Druff may have screwed up or handled things poorly - and you don't have to like him. But he built that online community as sure as Micon did. Years and years of dedication. My assessment is fair - I of all people know that Druff can be a pain in the ass. But you know that about a person going in. If you build a business with him, you deal with the problems as they come. What stopped me finally from going back to DD was when I listened to Druff's radio cast about what was going on. When I heard about how they were treating him, I was done. I haven't returned.