Newest Lock Poker scam: Big withdrawals canceled, support unresponsive

[Belly Buster]

I found a possible alternative phone number for Jennifer Larson after a bit of googling:

http://www.markhound.com/trademark/search/KHTWMPH0w reveals

778-987-8072

same number on http://www.webboar.com/www/pokerasitshouldbe.org

failing that you can always try 604-867-5309

[Dan Druff]

From 2+2:

Shane,

I've been waiting on my check cashout withdrawal requested January 7, 2013. I will email you soon. Can you please look into my cash out for me? Thank you in advance!

Sure just shoot me an email with your details.

We have a master list of the outstanding cashouts that we are working with, within that list is a priority list with all the people that contact me.

So contacting me ensures you are as close as possible to the front of the queue.

The reason for this is obvious.

It's the ol' "squeaky wheel gets the grease" trick.

Lock figures that the vocal players will be the ones to e-mail Shane (and are more likely to report cashout success and/or stop complaining about continued delays), while the quieter players are assumed to be willing to suffer in silence, so they get last priority.

Otherwise, what possible reason could there be to require certain players waiting for almost 5 months to have to e-mail Shane in order to get "in the next batch"?

[Dan Druff]

No this isnt just my list this is shared across all support channels, so any player asking about an old cashout goes onto the list.

I'd much rather ask players to write to me so I can check that they are already on the list rather than just hope they are.

This makes ZERO sense.

Let's take the pending cashouts that were requested in January.

Either Lock has been processing them for the past 4 1/2 months, or they have lied to everyone about processing them and in reality have done nothing.

If Lock has truly been processing the January cashouts, there should be no need for anyone to e-mail Shane.

Lock should have a clear list of all pending cashouts, and it should take about 30 seconds to sort them all by date and prioritize them in the oldest-goes-out-first manner.

If Lock does NOT have a master list of all pending cashouts, then clearly one of the following HAS to be true:

1) Lock lied to everyone about processing their cashouts, and in reality have just ignored the vast majority of them in 2013.
-or-
2) Lock is so incompetent that they actually lost the list of pending cashouts dating back to January. (I can't even see how this is possible, given that a simple spreadsheet would prevent this.)

Either way, this situation proves that Lock cashouts in 2013 have been a complete sham.

There should be no reason anyone should have to e-mail Shane to allow him to "make sure" of anything. This extra step is unnecessary unless some (or most) cashouts have been intentionally ignored over the past 4 1/2 months.

Even if somehow a list of pending cashouts was lost in some way, it would be easy for Lock to reproduce this through the cashier's internal database.

The fact that Shane is asking people to e-mail him to "make sure" they're on the list means that Lock either has intentionally not paid a certain percentage of customers, or has somehow completely lost some of the pending cashout data.

Either way, it's very unsettling and disturbing.

Let's face the obvious facts here. Lock has very limited money to pay out right now, so they are trying to pay the biggest complainers in order to give the public impression that they are paying everyone.

I look forward to seeing the way he tries to spin this one.

Perhaps Jen can call up Chris Costigan of Gambling911 and do another softball interview about the matter.

[SpewArtist]

What's Shane's email?

I tried to dig through the 2p2 thread but couldn't find it. Almost forgot that I still have a cashout pending until this thread.

[BeerAndPoker]

In no way am I defending Shane by saying this but when you picture his job right now and al the emails coming in kind of like any other site shills in the past it makes you think to yourself "What a shitty job I have".

The guy is collecting a paycheck trying to defend a shady site so it's the choice he made but if I was stuck in that position I'd hate my life. It would be funny to see that guy's inbox(s).

[Ryland]

Another lock pro leaves! #Gank

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1853

[Dan Druff]

Another lock pro leaves! #Gank

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1853

Well, better late than never.

I wonder if the PFA people hassling him on other sites lately has anything to do with this.

[Steve-O]

Another lock pro leaves! #Gank

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1853

Well, better late than never.

I wonder if the PFA people hassling him on other sites lately has anything to do with this.

I think this is exactly how the pros should leave. The company said within x time we'll have things straightened out. If they don't, you part ways. Leaving because people are screaming at you is a dumb way to make a decision, it's like the boy scouts now accepting gay scouts, they only did it because of public opinion and outside pressure; a move of convenience. If a Lock Pro wasn't willing to quit right from the get-go on their own volition, they shouldn't leave because of the "pressure" from the community. You don't leave because of outside pressure, you leave because it's the right thing to do.

[fatman548]

Well, better late than never.

I wonder if the PFA people hassling him on other sites lately has anything to do with this.

I think this is exactly how the pros should leave. The company said within x time we'll have things straightened out. If they don't, you part ways. Leaving because people are screaming at you is a dumb way to make a decision, it's like the boy scouts now accepting gay scouts, they only did it because of public opinion and outside pressure; a move of convenience. If a Lock Pro wasn't willing to quit right from the get-go on their own volition, they shouldn't leave because of the "pressure" from the community. You don't leave because of outside pressure, you leave because it's the right thing to do.

If only the world really worked that way!

[Steve-O]

I think this is exactly how the pros should leave. The company said within x time we'll have things straightened out. If they don't, you part ways. Leaving because people are screaming at you is a dumb way to make a decision, it's like the boy scouts now accepting gay scouts, they only did it because of public opinion and outside pressure; a move of convenience. If a Lock Pro wasn't willing to quit right from the get-go on their own volition, they shouldn't leave because of the "pressure" from the community. You don't leave because of outside pressure, you leave because it's the right thing to do.

If only the world really worked that way!

True, but my point is that we shouldn't applaud people who leave due to pressure, or prop them up and say they are doing the right thing. Their decision is as agenda-based as the person who stays. People that are all happy about the Boy Scouts accepting Gays are missing the bigger picture, which is the organization is an arm of the Mormon church and still discriminates against other groups including atheists (this wouldn't bother me except the Boy Scouts get to use public buildings for free, so they are not a private organization), so they did just enough to get people off their back while they still go about their business.

[Dan Druff]

Well, better late than never.

I wonder if the PFA people hassling him on other sites lately has anything to do with this.

I think this is exactly how the pros should leave. The company said within x time we'll have things straightened out. If they don't, you part ways. Leaving because people are screaming at you is a dumb way to make a decision, it's like the boy scouts now accepting gay scouts, they only did it because of public opinion and outside pressure; a move of convenience. If a Lock Pro wasn't willing to quit right from the get-go on their own volition, they shouldn't leave because of the "pressure" from the community. You don't leave because of outside pressure, you leave because it's the right thing to do.

I agree that people SHOULD leave on their own volition, but people are naturally selfish and often will talk themselves into staying if there's not outside pressure put on them.

I really believe gank talked himself into believing that Lock was okay, and finally the public pressure made him reassess the situation and realize he was being a hypocrite.

Not to say that he shouldn't have done this on his own much earlier, because he should (he even claims I've been trying to get him for leave for the last two years), but at least he finally did.

I think he probably did it less for future personal gain and more because he realized that staying pretty much violates what he stands for, and the public scrutiny made it hide for him to deny the truth to himself any longer.

[realchaser74]

[Matt The Rat]

Now this is interesting. Oddly the LockPoker.net domain is owned by Jenn Larson, and according to that site nobody owns lockpoker.eu which is where the site is currently hosted?

Whois Record

Registered through: eNom, Inc.

Domain name: lockpoker.net

Registrant Contact:
Brand Theory
Jennifer Larson ()

Fax:
33 Water Street
Apt 301
Vancouver, P V6B1R4
CA

Administrative Contact:
Brand Theory
Larson (

)
+1.6045618072
Fax: +1.5555555555
33 Water Street
Apt 301
Vancouver, P V6B1R4
CA

Technical Contact:
Brand Theory
Jennfier Larson (

)
+1.6045618072
Fax: +1.5555555555
33 Water Street
Apt 301
Vancouver, P V6B1R4
CA

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
udns1.ultradns.net
udns2.ultradns.net

Creation date: 08 Apr 2008 15:25:38
Expiration date: 08 Apr 2014 15:25:38

Also interesting is that the address for Jenn Larson is 33 Water St Vancouver, while the Cake Poker registrant's address is 375 Water St Vancouver. Is this street like a Cayman islands shell corp for online poker sites

I was in Vancouver today and went to both 33 Water street and 375 Water street to see what I could find. The area is called Gastown and is mostly filled with tourist type shops and restaurants. 375 Water street is a nice building filled with businesses. I checked the directory and did not see any poker or gaming companies listed, or anything even remotely close. It is mostly filled with lawyers and accountants.



33 Water street is a residential building. I could not get in because you need to be buzzed in or have a key card. I waited about 10 mins to see if someone would come out and then I could sneak in while the door was closing but nobody came out so I left.

[Erin Micunt]

So where is everyone's money? And what happened to the lock pros who said they "care so much" but haven't said a word since saying they "cared so much"

[vookenmeister]

Looks like lock is running a contest "to become a pro". Apply now while you can.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...omaha-1338474/

[Crowe Diddly]

Looks like lock is running a contest "to become a pro". Apply now while you can.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...omaha-1338474/

That's pretty good shit.

[Ryland]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2180

[Steve-O]

Has there been any definitive updates on cashout times for ROW and US players? Seems the 3-4 weeks they said they needed has come and gone and I haven't heard too much one way or the other.

[Hockey Guy]

Has there been any definitive updates on cashout times for ROW and US players? Seems the 3-4 weeks they said they needed has come and gone and I haven't heard too much one way or the other.

Shocking. With their great record of customer service I was sure they'd stay on top of this & come through for the players. I'm sure it's just an unforeseen blip that will cause just a very minor delay in the payments.

[BeerAndPoker]

I LOL'ed hard when I read this Pokernews update about Melanie Weisner.

http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...ost.216230.htm

A huge cheer went up over in the Silver section of the Brasilia Room, and we rushed over to find a slightly intoxicated rooting section expressing their undying admiration for one Melanie Weisner. With her {A-Spades}{Q-Spades} tabled against an opponent's {A-Hearts}{Q-Diamonds}. and the board reading {3-Diamonds}{j-Spades}{j-Diamonds}{6-Clubs}{2-Diamonds}, it appeared to be yet another preflop all-in between identical hands ending in a chopped pot. Appearances, however, can be deceiving.

According to the stunned onlookers on the rail, who were treating Weisner like a rock star after this play, the pro check-called bets on the flop and turn, before her opponent shoved all-in on a bold river bluff.

After what was reported to be a five-minute dive into the tank, Weisner made the call with just ace-queen high, earning her half of the pot as only a professional can.

While the dealer stacked the chips in even proportions, Weisner told her opponent "too bad you didn't have ace-ten." The man responded by saying simply "you know you're sick, right?" With her newly burnished table image and a mountain of chips at her disposal, Weisner looks to be a force as Day 1 heads to its conclusion.

Good call for her but that isn't the funny part it's the way the reporter wrote this and LOL at Melanie having such a rail at the WSOP.