Annual Value of Seven Stars

[Deal]

going to start a seven star BAP

i'll live in a casino and eat free food for 2/3 of the year

you never have to clean up after yourself, never have to do your own laundry

Actually, the laundry is a problem. Have you seen the rates hotels charge for that shit?

Your choice is to either get ripped off to no end, or to spend time with the dregs of society in a local laundromat.

I'm sure Drexel wouldn't mind you dropping over to his place to do laundry. Hell he may even drop by with some groceries. PM SlimT for a reference.

[Dan Druff]

Actually, the laundry is a problem. Have you seen the rates hotels charge for that shit?

Your choice is to either get ripped off to no end, or to spend time with the dregs of society in a local laundromat.

I'm sure Drexel wouldn't mind you dropping over to his place to do laundry. Hell he may even drop by with some groceries. PM SlimT for a reference.

I've already discussed this with Brandon, and he refused.

He said he would only allow me to do laundry at his place in case of emergency, such as if I got blood on my only pair of pants.

[abrown83]

3 Play @ Deuces Wild $2 is the 20, 3 hour trips (maybe 2.5)

So is that $ 30 a deal? -($ 2x5) x3
How much would you need in your bankroll for 3 hours of that?

Correct, on the $30 a deal.

The bankroll I stated in my first post is correct.

If you have a $55,000 bankroll there is roughly a 1% chance of going broke.

[abrown83]

Druff, I thought all bracelet winners are lifetime Seven Stars. Am I wrong? If not, and you qualified this year based on play? What did you play, how big and how much, to make it? I suppose BJ, video poker and table poker?

WSOP of Bracelet winners previously (don't know if they still do) got lifetime Diamond level status in Total Rewards.

Diamond is quite a bit different but still has a lot of great perks, like the lounges that always have free food and basically cutting to the front of every line.

There are now multiple Diamond levels, but Seven Stars is the highest level (it now has multiple levels as well).

[abrown83]

going to start a seven star BAP

i'll live in a casino and eat free food for 2/3 of the year

you never have to clean up after yourself, never have to do your own laundry

This might sound dumb, but is it possible to actually live off of these perks? I have no idea how comps and reward points work. That would be pretty funny if you could get to seven star with a modest starting bankroll, and skate by the rest of the year on comped rooms, food, and free play.

EDIT: Haha, just read Druff's post about 4-on/2-off hotel stays. This might be doable.

It isn't because the comps are still at the discretion of the casino.

Technically they are still based on your ADT, and there is a natural presumption that if you are Seven Stars that your ADT is high enough to support the free rooms.

You will notice how I asked to discard the comped rooms in my first post, that was because under my system I think abuse of the free rooms would cause a pretty big spotlight to get shined on me.

Obviously, the casinos are not out to give away money so anytime they run +EV stuff you have to be careful how you rub it in their faces.

[Dan Druff]

This might sound dumb, but is it possible to actually live off of these perks? I have no idea how comps and reward points work. That would be pretty funny if you could get to seven star with a modest starting bankroll, and skate by the rest of the year on comped rooms, food, and free play.

EDIT: Haha, just read Druff's post about 4-on/2-off hotel stays. This might be doable.

It isn't because the comps are still at the discretion of the casino.

Technically they are still based on your ADT, and there is a natural presumption that if you are Seven Stars that your ADT is high enough to support the free rooms.

You will notice how I asked to discard the comped rooms in my first post, that was because under my system I think abuse of the free rooms would cause a pretty big spotlight to get shined on me.

Obviously, the casinos are not out to give away money so anytime they run +EV stuff you have to be careful how you rub it in their faces.

This is half true. It depends upon whether you use a host to book the free rooms, or if you do so through the online or 1-800 number.

If you use the online/800-number method, they won't notice you.

If you use a host, yes, they might look into your play. But probably not in the way you think. The host doesn't give a shit if you are somehow racking up tier points faster than expected. They just want their cut of your losses, so they want you to play long enough to justify the room.

Once you are Seven Stars, you can always use the 800 number or online (I prefer the 800 number, because online often rejects you for no reason) to book rooms, and you will pretty much fly under the radar, even if you stay there for 200+ days per year.

[Tuna]

It isn't because the comps are still at the discretion of the casino.

Technically they are still based on your ADT, and there is a natural presumption that if you are Seven Stars that your ADT is high enough to support the free rooms.

You will notice how I asked to discard the comped rooms in my first post, that was because under my system I think abuse of the free rooms would cause a pretty big spotlight to get shined on me.

Obviously, the casinos are not out to give away money so anytime they run +EV stuff you have to be careful how you rub it in their faces.

This is half true. It depends upon whether you use a host to book the free rooms, or if you do so through the online or 1-800 number.

If you use the online/800-number method, they won't notice you.

If you use a host, yes, they might look into your play. But probably not in the way you think. The host doesn't give a shit if you are somehow racking up tier points faster than expected. They just want their cut of your losses, so they want you to play long enough to justify the room.

Once you are Seven Stars, you can always use the 800 number or online (I prefer the 800 number, because online often rejects you for no reason) to book rooms, and you will pretty much fly under the radar, even if you stay there for 200+ days per year.

Do you have any idea how much they take of your losses? They are such scumbags

[Dan Druff]

This is half true. It depends upon whether you use a host to book the free rooms, or if you do so through the online or 1-800 number.

If you use the online/800-number method, they won't notice you.

If you use a host, yes, they might look into your play. But probably not in the way you think. The host doesn't give a shit if you are somehow racking up tier points faster than expected. They just want their cut of your losses, so they want you to play long enough to justify the room.

Once you are Seven Stars, you can always use the 800 number or online (I prefer the 800 number, because online often rejects you for no reason) to book rooms, and you will pretty much fly under the radar, even if you stay there for 200+ days per year.

Do you have any idea how much they take of your losses? They are such scumbags

No, I don't.

But I don't hate them for doing their job, even if that job is to entice you to come to their casino to lose money.

What bothers me is their "what have you done for me really, really lately" syndrome.

So let's say you come to Vegas, play 50 hours total, and lose a shitload of money.

Then your next trip comes up and you ask your host, "Hey, I lost a ton of money last time. Can I have a suite and a food comp?"

So let's say they give you the suite and the food comp, and you decide that you're just not in a gambling mood this trip, and barely play.

Your host will be PISSED and think you screwed them over. They will be very uncooperative next time, and probably make you prove your play first before they give you anything. So let's say you ask them for a food comp on the next trip. They will say, "Sorry, your play last time didn't justify it. Charge the food to your room and I'll see what I can do based upon your play this time."

So they would actually rather you have 3 moderate play sessions consecutively than one really big one followed my two small ones, even if the latter adds up to more money for them. Why? Because hosts have a mentality of, "The past is irrelevant, other than what it means for the future." That means they don't give a shit how much you made them so far, unless it means you will be playing in a similar fashion going forward.

I actually think the whole "host" model is antiquated, except for really high rollers who still need coddling. Most hosts aren't doing a lot for the casino's bottom line, and are getting paid a lot.

[Jean-Pierre]

The Annual Benefit of being a Seven Star Member can be worth 20k or more a year depending on the player. A lot of our comps are done by the hosts and are regulated by our play. Each player will experience a different amount of comps based on their play. I would say mine comps per year are maybe worth about 10k with taking advantage of all the free rooms and free play and dinners.

I know there are a few Seven Stars members on this forum.

Anyone care to ballpark the perks not including regular comped rooms?

I ball parked it around 5k-7k.

Annual Trip
Cruise
$500 dinner
Annual Gift
Signature Events

I figured out a good way to in 20, one hour trips to the casino make Seven Stars.

Expected Net Profit including Seven Stars and Reward Credits of $9,800 to $11,800.

More realistically you are looking at being roughly break even if you don't hit a Royal.

If you wanted to do it in a less swingy fashion you could do it in 20, 3 hour trips.

You would need roughly a $55,000 bankroll to have less than a 1% chance of going broke if you did the 20, 3 hour trips.

If you want to know how, just look up Horseshoe Hammond on VPFree2.

[cantbeatluck]

I have been a seven star for a little over a year. I am also in the top 100 at a property which comes with some sick stuff such as once a month a gift 500-1500 value (sometimes literally a 1500 dollar gift card for a store). As a top 100 you also get 3 10x rc rc credit offers and 1,000 in free play vouchers extra. I get about 750 free play a week. Here is my question... I have not gave significant action in a couple months and my weekly freeplay is at 750 a week and has only gone up; what is the long term as a seven star top 100 that is not giving action in terms of continuing to get good freeplay when you have given big in past, in 2013 I had 1m Tier Score. I am grinding the freeplay every week and hitting them for a nice amount weekly as well as eating 200 dollar meals a week free, free suites, sometimes presidential etc. I have been up all night playing poker so this may be a ramble. Again question is how long before they zero me on freeplay if ever as a 7 star?

Marcy

[Erin Micunt]

I'd be fascinated to see how they treat a seven star earned through wsop.com altho it's nearly impossible achieve.