Obviously some white lady in her 30s getting shot is tragic, but the left has gone increasingly retarded. They are now claiming this lady did absolutely nothing wrong and are even trying to create the narrative that she was waving them to go around her. Go check your Facebook. This kind of cognitive dissonance and further, deeper, compression into the confirmation bias bubbles they are living in is getting more dangerous by the day.
Vaughn wants you to check Facebook for the truth lol
No you actual retard, I said to check Facebook to see just how far from the truth you and your idiot cohorts are. It keeps getting worse.Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover.
it's a good thing for Minneapolis store owners that the lady who was shot and killed wasn't black... it would probably be just another "peaceful protest with small bonfires " though...
https://twitter.com/davidjharrisjr/status/2009008939040690371
https://twitter.com/davidjharrisjr/status/2009032628943323290
This is one of those situations where both the right and left are putting out incorrect narratives in what was a much more complicate situation than it appears.
The right wants you to believe that officers were on the verge of being run over by an anti-ICE protester, and shot her dead before she could do so.
The left wants you to believe that this was a murder committed by an angry and overzealous ICE agent against a protester who was simply trying to flee from getting arrested.
Neither is completely true.
From what I can tell:
- The woman was following ICE and trying to harass them and impede their movement
- Two ICE agents approached the woman's car and had some kind of conversation with her. One was talking to her through her window, the other was standing in front of the car, near the corner. This is a common and valid law enforcement tactic in order to discourage the suspect from fleeing.
- The ICE agent by the window attempted to reach in and take her keys, presumably to arrest her and then move the vehicle out of the way.
- The woman decided she wanted out of the situation, and hit the gas, attempting to get away. The second officer was still in front of her car, and would have been hit if he didn't immediately jump out of the way. It is possible that the woman hit the gas in a panic and didn't think about the second officer being present in front of her car.
- It is possible that the car slid somewhat on the ice, and moved more toward the officer in the front than she was intending. It's possible she really was directing the car away from the officer, but it first slid toward him when she hit the gas.
- The officer, believing the woman had just tried to run him over, pulled his gun and shot her through the driver's side window, as she was fleeing. That shot was justified, as she was in danger. However, he continued firing after she cleared his path and was driving away. At this point, the officers were no longer in danger, so deadly force should not have been used.
The bottom line is that this woman was attempting to impede and interfere with a law enforcement operation, using her vehicle to block traffic. When ICE officers approached and attempted to detain her, she panicked and hit the gas, directly in the path of an officer who would have been hit if not for his quick reflexes. It is possible she didn't care if she ran him down, and it's also possible she just wasn't thinking straight -- but he was directly in front of her vehicle when she hit the gas. The officer fortunately barely got out of the way and wasn't injured, but he then shot her dead in a "fuck you for trying to kill me" rage.
Unfortunate incident for sure, but this is why you don't fuck with law enforcement trying to do their job, and you definitely don't hit the gas when an officer is in front of your car. This was a dual fault situation. The woman floored it to get away from officers and almost ran one over, and the officer shot her out of anger/adrenaline after he barely jumped out of the way.
Here is a good video in slow motion showing what happened.
The first shot was justified, as it came out while he was in her path, and he can reasonably claim that he thought she was intending to kill him.
The remaining shots were not justified, as he was out of harm's way, as were all other officers.
I assign 50% fault to both parties here.
https://twitter.com/AngelaBelcamino/status/2009030767431585895
This is also why it is very important to always keep your cool when having contact with law enforcement. People are human and will react when they think they're in danger, especially if you are acting hostile towards them.
When I am pulled over by cops, I always keep both hands on the wheel, make no sudden motions, and act in a calm and businesslike fashion. This remains true even if I think it was a bullshit trap or some other crappy ticket that's going to cost me a lot of money or time.
This also remains true if the officer is acting belligerent or abusive. I ran into this twice when I was in my early 20s, and was wrongfully suspected of drunken/drugged driving simply because of my age and the time of night. I always deescalated. Today this is less likely because I am older, and more likely to get the benefit of the doubt.
Calling it 50/50 is a bit generous. What was the proximate cause of the entire situation? At what point does an officer who justifiably feared for his life have to assume that the person might not double back and try to run them down again? The only thing I see in the video is her accelerate with her wheels pointed straight towards him. It looks like she doesn't even cut the wheels until he brings the firearm into her view.
She had been interfering with them throughout the day, and the woman that claims to be her wife was even filming it.
https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/2009044328728154533
https://twitter.com/JSweetLI/status/2009005259826553036
Had it just been the one shot fired at the beginning, I'd say it was 100% the woman's fault, or at least 95% her fault. There he could easily claim (and probably really did believe) that she was trying to run him over, at which point he has every right (both morally and legally) to shoot her dead.
The further shots into the window when the car is headed away are a different story, and I can't justify those.
It's different than shooting a fleeing criminal (on foot) in the back after he had just fired at officers. There you can reason that the officers had a right to shoot the guy because he's still holding the gun, already fired at them, and can turn around at any point and fire again. (This is actually exactly what happened when the Bellagio poker room robber encountered officers in the valet parking area. He fired into an officer's bullet proof vest, ran away, and was shot dead while fleeing. This was 100% fine and nobody questioned it.)
But here it was almost certain that she was trying to get away, so deadly force was no longer justified. It WAS justified as the car was moving at the officer, so the first shot was fine.
Time for Trump to impose mandatory 10 year jail sentence for anyone interfering with federal law officer procedures like he did with destroying monuments.
That will end liberal lunacy.
That bitch fafoed.
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I actually agree there needs to be very stiff penalties for either interfering with law enforcement or intentionally impeding traffic on a major road/highway.
Remember all of the awful BLM protests on freeways, where people were stuck in their cars for hours because these woke assholes wanted to virtue signal? This should absolutely never be allowed. Other citizens have no right to impede my movement. I would love to see stiff criminal penalties for anyone who does that shit. Moron libs were defending it as "peaceful protest".
Good take:
https://twitter.com/BitPaine/status/2008994994263056449
1) I don’t think the woman was trying to murder the cop. I don’t think the cop should have shot the woman. It is obviously sad the woman was killed. She was being insane, yes, but she was an American citizen protesting something she believes in.
2) That being said, watching the video from multiple angles, I think the cop was more than justified in shooting the woman.
3) This is exactly why you don’t fuck around with cops. They have no way of knowing your intentions, mental state, etc., and they deal with people who try to kill them every day. They don’t have the luxury of asking a committee to review the situation before reacting. Watching a video in slow motion on your phone from multiple angles after the fact is very different from making a split second decision in the moment.
4) We simply cannot live in a society where people feel like they can fuck around with impunity and never find out. If a cop stops you and asks for ID you fucking comply. Period. If you want to fight the charge do it in court later with a lawyer. This is simply a prerequisite for a civilized society.
The cop COULD have chosen not to fire, and arguably SHOULD have chosen not to fire, but the woman’s death is still 100% her own fault for not acting like a reasonable, responsible human being while operating a 2000 lb vehicle.
5) I put the blame here on the far left who have clearly been stoking anti-ICE sentiment for some time hoping something like this would happen so they could weaponize it and I’m sure they hope to incite some nationwide GF-level anti-ICE riot.
6) I don’t love the ICE raids. I don’t like illegal immigration, but I think deportations should be 100% focused on violent criminals and drug traffickers. I don’t think we gain much as a society by hunting down every single innocent law abiding person who’s here illegally. Yes they are breaking the law but with limited resources and political capital to spend on immigration enforcement it endangers the broader mission without making society meaningfully better.
Based on what I've seen so far in the different angled videos, I actually agree with this assessment.
In the split second of that first shot and based on the angle of the vehicle vs where he was standing, I think its plausible that in that tremendously brief moment, he could have thought she was intending to hit him. Anything after that first shot was not justified imo. If there was another person anywhere in front of the vehicle, it probably would have been justified.
That being said, i feel if he was trained properly and experienced, he would have dodged out of the way as his immediate self defense measure rather than automatically opening fire. The vehicle was already so close to him and had enough momentum, that even if that first shot was effective at neutralizing the threat, it likely wouldn't have prevented him from being run over anyway (if in his mind the vehicle really wanted to hit him).
The whole thing sucks all the way around. Since this whole ICE operation escalated the past several months, ive noticed a pattern of poorly trained or fully untrained "agents" who clearly have no business being in that field, and at the same time there seems to be little to no oversight.
Easy to comment or place blame from the comfort of your sofa.
Cops with itchy trigger fingers have always been a problem.
https://twitter.com/stevensongs/status/2009040378238836778
This goes both ways.
Surprised DesertRunner hasnt chipped in that this wouldnt have happened if she had just stayed in the kitchen.
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Yes, I fully understand. I was actually going to mention this at the end and I forgot to.
Its always easy to say something after the fact. This is nothing new or new info you're providing.
I have held and always try to hold this into consideration when something like this comes up and I decide to comment on it.
Believe me or not, there have been many instances where I've personally ruled fully in favor of an officer, even if a majority rules against.
Its just my opinions, take it with a grain of salt as with anyone else.
That being said, I will stand by my belief that many of the ICE agents are just not properly trained like regular police officers.
I have seen way too many instances in such a short period of time that would convince me otherwise.
What is it? $50k bonus etc?
I see more gutter tier trash getting attracted to this job.
I cant imagine some bottom of the barrel candidates not getting pushed through so they can just satisfy their manpower requests.
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