The Seahawks Own Your Face

[ShadyJ]

PFF choses Russell Wilson as offensive and overall Rookie of the year. Followed by RG3 then Morris.

Casey Hayward wins defensive Rookie of the Year followed by Wagner then Harrison Smith.


The top 2 rookies both with WI ties.

Personally I think its Luck followed really closely by RG3. No one has done more for their team then Luck, and they didnt have to build the offense around him like they did with RG3 and somewhat Wilson. His team had the 1st pick for a reason they were awful. Wash wasnt that bad, and Seattle was light years ahead of both teams. Wilson has done great but hes not the reason they win.

[chinamaniac]

PFF choses Russell Wilson as offensive and overall Rookie of the year. Followed by RG3 then Morris.

Casey Hayward wins defensive Rookie of the Year followed by Wagner then Harrison Smith.


The top 2 rookies both with WI ties.

Personally I think its Luck followed really closely by RG3. No one has done more for their team then Luck, and they didnt have to build the offense around him like they did with RG3 and somewhat Wilson. His team had the 1st pick for a reason they were awful. Wash wasnt that bad, and Seattle was light years ahead of both teams. Wilson has done great but hes not the reason they win.

Luck has some pretty good weapons around him. Ever hear of Reggie Wayne? T.Y. Hilton?

Indy had the first pick cause they tanked all season and played Curtis Painter.

Luck is at least 5th or 6th for me. Wilson, RG3, Martin, Morris, and Kuechly all better rookie seasons than luck IMO

Luck has been very good I just think statistically every other one of these guys graded better than him.

[chinamaniac]

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[ShadyJ]

PFF choses Russell Wilson as offensive and overall Rookie of the year. Followed by RG3 then Morris.

Casey Hayward wins defensive Rookie of the Year followed by Wagner then Harrison Smith.


The top 2 rookies both with WI ties.

Personally I think its Luck followed really closely by RG3. No one has done more for their team then Luck, and they didnt have to build the offense around him like they did with RG3 and somewhat Wilson. His team had the 1st pick for a reason they were awful. Wash wasnt that bad, and Seattle was light years ahead of both teams. Wilson has done great but hes not the reason they win.

Luck has some pretty good weapons around him. Ever hear of Reggie Wayne? T.Y. Hilton?

Indy had the first pick cause they tanked all season and played Curtis Painter.

Luck is at least 5th or 6th for me. Wilson, RG3, Martin, Morris, and Kuechly all better rookie seasons than luck IMO

Luck has been very good I just think statistically every other one of these guys graded better than him.

Who graded them you? Im more then happy to post pffs grades for them. I know Kuechly didnt grade well at all. Hes a good player but he just has a bunch of tackles because no one else on his team can tackle.

Plus even if he didnt grade out as well which Ill check in a bit he does so much more then that. He doesnt have the talent around him and the defense that gives him the ball with good field position. He doesnt throw the rinky dink passes RG3 and Wilson throw. Its a more high variance style.

Reggie Wayne is no doubt a weapon but all the others are rookies, and they might be having good years because he has to throw them the ball because of all the attn RW gets. RW can only get so many catches someone else has to get em.

He has to win the games for them. He cant rely on his defense shutting down the opposing offense like RW can. He has to take more chances because of this. Its not something you can measure with stats. I highly doubt if you put RG3 or RW on the Colts and told them to do exactly what Luck does that they would even come close to him.

I'd have no argument with RG3 winning it because hes deserving, but I think Luck is more valuable to his team then the other 2.

[mulva]

[chinamaniac]

Luck has some pretty good weapons around him. Ever hear of Reggie Wayne? T.Y. Hilton?

Indy had the first pick cause they tanked all season and played Curtis Painter.

Luck is at least 5th or 6th for me. Wilson, RG3, Martin, Morris, and Kuechly all better rookie seasons than luck IMO

Luck has been very good I just think statistically every other one of these guys graded better than him.

Who graded them you? Im more then happy to post pffs grades for them. I know Kuechly didnt grade well at all. Hes a good player but he just has a bunch of tackles because no one else on his team can tackle.

[ShadyJ]

PFF choses Russell Wilson as offensive and overall Rookie of the year. Followed by RG3 then Morris.

Casey Hayward wins defensive Rookie of the Year followed by Wagner then Harrison Smith.


The top 2 rookies both with WI ties.

Personally I think its Luck followed really closely by RG3. No one has done more for their team then Luck, and they didnt have to build the offense around him like they did with RG3 and somewhat Wilson. His team had the 1st pick for a reason they were awful. Wash wasnt that bad, and Seattle was light years ahead of both teams. Wilson has done great but hes not the reason they win.

Luck has some pretty good weapons around him. Ever hear of Reggie Wayne? T.Y. Hilton?

Indy had the first pick cause they tanked all season and played Curtis Painter.

Luck is at least 5th or 6th for me. Wilson, RG3, Martin, Morris, and Kuechly all better rookie seasons than luck IMO

Luck has been very good I just think statistically every other one of these guys graded better than him.

Im suprised that Martin didnt get more talk. I think he was the best rookie back.

Just looked up Kuechly hes +5.3 overall +8.9 vs the run and -1.2 pass rush and -4 in coverage. His name shouldnt even be brought up Wagner had a much better year at the same position. Wagner was +16 overall +11.7 vs the run +2.9 in pass rush and +0.9 in coverage. Obviously PFF isnt the end all but its the best we have to look at, and in this case Wagner crushes Kuechly.

[ShadyJ]

Who graded them you? Im more then happy to post pffs grades for them. I know Kuechly didnt grade well at all. Hes a good player but he just has a bunch of tackles because no one else on his team can tackle.

Its true the overall D was rated -44.8 compared to the top rated team Denver at +117

[gut]

Its true the overall D was rated -44.8 compared to the top rated team Denver at +117

Which rankings were those? DVOA has Carolina's D as 11th best.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvo...2-dvoa-ratings

Also of note is SEA being 1 overall, and top 4 in all 3 aspects of the game. Also Indy at 25 lol. Luckiest season ever.

[chinamaniac]

Its true the overall D was rated -44.8 compared to the top rated team Denver at +117

Prob just a coincidence that he led the country in tackles as a true freshman, then a sophmore and then a junior and jumped to the pros with the best players in the world and led the NFL in tackles

[ShadyJ]

Its true the overall D was rated -44.8 compared to the top rated team Denver at +117

Prob just a coincidence that he led the country in tackles as a true freshman, then a sophmore and then a junior and jumped to the pros with the best players in the world and led the NFL in tackles

I said going into the draft that Kuechly was going to be the steal of the draft. His combine numbers were off the charts, and he proved it in college plus hes really smart. There was talk at the time that he might drop into the 20s, and I thought it was because hes white. I think if he was black he would have been a top 5-6 pick.

That doesnt change the fact that he didnt grade well this year. He started playing outside where he was lost, and when he went inside he played much better. Theres always something to be said about having alot of tackles, but hes graded negatively rushing the passer and alot worse in coverage.

[ShadyJ]

Its true the overall D was rated -44.8 compared to the top rated team Denver at +117

Which rankings were those? DVOA has Carolina's D as 11th best.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvo...2-dvoa-ratings

Also of note is SEA being 1 overall, and top 4 in all 3 aspects of the game. Also Indy at 25 lol. Luckiest season ever.

Im not talking about overall rankings like so and so gives up 200 yards a game. Im talking about PFF where they grade every player on every play for every game. Its the best grading system us lay men can use. Its not perfect in fact I think sometimes their biased towards certain teams. They love SF and V Davis would get 1 catch a game and they acted like hes the second coming of Christ. I couldnt play him in Fantasy but he was God to them. I dont care how good a TE blocks he has to catch the ball to be considered better then the Grahms, Gonzalezs, Gronks, but they didnt think so.

[Tiny]

I am placing my entire bankroll on Seattle at -3 this weekend.

Redskins can beat the the Cowboys(when it's handed to them) but will be no match for RWI

[tony bagadonuts]

Too much?

[ShadyJ]

Too much?

Thats the best. Hopefully its in Wash or the value has plummeted.

[ShadyJ]

I am placing my entire bankroll on Seattle at -3 this weekend.

Redskins can beat the the Cowboys(when it's handed to them) but will be no match for RWI

What if Seattle wins by 1 or 2? Then your a broke genius.

[chinamaniac]

RUSSEL IS GOD

[OSA]

Only reason they won was cause of RG3 getting hurt. Skins win by 7 if his knee doesnt buckle.

With that said, Seattle is +1 which is insane imo. Even more crazy is that the Packers are +3.

I think a parlay between those 2 is golden.

[chinamaniac]

Only reason they won was cause of RG3 getting hurt. Skins win by 7 if his knee doesnt buckle.

With that said, Seattle is +1 which is insane imo. Even more crazy is that the Packers are +3.

I think a parlay between those 2 is golden.

say IF IF IF all you want, If the hawks didnt turn it over they would have won by 30

[BCR]

Congrats Tony and other Seahawk fans.