Defund Israel.

[Dan Druff]

Israel is losing the propaganda war because they didn't see the alliance forming against them between the western far left and far right.

Prior to the 10/7 attacks, it was clear that the far left and far right both hated Jews, but they also hated each other so much that it was unlikely they would push the same message on social media. In addition, they also reasoned that the far right also hated Arabs, so it was unlikely they would take up strongly for Hamas.

Israel turned out to be incorrect. The Horseshoe theory finally came true, and social media was full of the loudest elements of both the left and right bashing Israel, pushing misinformation, and creating a phony genocide narrative.

Upon realizing this, Hamas seized upon it, and started putting out all kinds of fake news regarding starvation, targeting of civilians, greatly exaggerated deaths, etc.

The extreme retards ate it up and kept sharing it. Even the NY Times bought one of those fake starvation pics, and had to very quietly walk it back.

Israel had no good response to this. They tried to reason with people, but you can't reason with extremists. They will just shout over you and accuse you of being a manipulator -- a trope successfully utilized against Israel by both the left and right.

Israel's next tactic was to slow down their offensive, figuring that if they make it a humane war, people will change their minds. That also backfired, as it dragged the entire process, and it gave way to allegations that the humanitarian efforts were fake, and that this was all an excuse to extend the war and commit the genocide they always wanted.

So, yes, unfortunately we are now living with the highest level of western anti-Semitism that I've seen in my lifetime.

[1dollarboxcar]

well with the Jewish takeover of tiktok they will be able to control the narrative there, but to be honest they already are...
next step will be Elon on X... they will fuck with him for sure... or even something more sinister, if you know what i mean...

[Tellafriend]

Israel is losing the propaganda war because they didn't see the alliance forming against them between the western far left and far right.

Prior to the 10/7 attacks, it was clear that the far left and far right both hated Jews, but they also hated each other so much that it was unlikely they would push the same message on social media. In addition, they also reasoned that the far right also hated Arabs, so it was unlikely they would take up strongly for Hamas.

Israel turned out to be incorrect. The Horseshoe theory finally came true, and social media was full of the loudest elements of both the left and right bashing Israel, pushing misinformation, and creating a phony genocide narrative.

Upon realizing this, Hamas seized upon it, and started putting out all kinds of fake news regarding starvation, targeting of civilians, greatly exaggerated deaths, etc.

The extreme retards ate it up and kept sharing it. Even the NY Times bought one of those fake starvation pics, and had to very quietly walk it back.

Israel had no good response to this. They tried to reason with people, but you can't reason with extremists. They will just shout over you and accuse you of being a manipulator -- a trope successfully utilized against Israel by both the left and right.

Israel's next tactic was to slow down their offensive, figuring that if they make it a humane war, people will change their minds. That also backfired, as it dragged the entire process, and it gave way to allegations that the humanitarian efforts were fake, and that this was all an excuse to extend the war and commit the genocide they always wanted.

So, yes, unfortunately we are now living with the highest level of western anti-Semitism that I've seen in my lifetime.

several quick things:


1. regarding fake media, it is hardly one sided, e.g.,


AI Overview
While some Israeli soldiers and officials initially claimed that Hamas beheaded babies following the October 7, 2023, attack, official Israeli sources later stated they could not confirm this specific claim. The Israeli government ultimately acknowledged there was no evidence to support the allegation.
The initial propagation of the claim
Journalist's report: The claim began circulating on October 10 when a reporter for the Israeli news channel i24News stated that soldiers had described seeing babies with their heads cut off in Kfar Aza. The reporter later clarified that soldiers believed "40 babies/children were killed," which quickly became conflated with the beheading claim.
Official statements:
Following the initial media reports, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office repeated the claim that babies and toddlers were found with their "heads decapitated".
Some IDF spokespeople also initially repeated the beheading claim to news outlets, stating it was based on soldiers' accounts from the scene.
International figures: US President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken also referenced reports of beheaded babies in the days following the attack. The White House later walked back Biden's comments, clarifying he had not seen confirmed evidence but was alluding to news reports.
The claim is retracted


2. has it not occurred to you that much of the sentiment could be rooted in our exhaustion with funding anyone else, much less other nation's weapons and wars and god knows what else, all while we run trillion dollar deficits and debt we can never repay?


3. why have we launched bombs on iran (aren't finished doing so) and in the same 10 year span sent them a pallet of cash. i digress. they aren't bothering me. far more concerned with others in the world.


4. do i get debited $7k for this post?

[Kalam]

Israel is losing the propaganda war because they didn't see the alliance forming against them between the western far left and far right.

Prior to the 10/7 attacks, it was clear that the far left and far right both hated Jews, but they also hated each other so much that it was unlikely they would push the same message on social media. In addition, they also reasoned that the far right also hated Arabs, so it was unlikely they would take up strongly for Hamas.

Israel turned out to be incorrect. The Horseshoe theory finally came true, and social media was full of the loudest elements of both the left and right bashing Israel, pushing misinformation, and creating a phony genocide narrative.

Upon realizing this, Hamas seized upon it, and started putting out all kinds of fake news regarding starvation, targeting of civilians, greatly exaggerated deaths, etc.

The extreme retards ate it up and kept sharing it. Even the NY Times bought one of those fake starvation pics, and had to very quietly walk it back.

Israel had no good response to this. They tried to reason with people, but you can't reason with extremists. They will just shout over you and accuse you of being a manipulator -- a trope successfully utilized against Israel by both the left and right.

Israel's next tactic was to slow down their offensive, figuring that if they make it a humane war, people will change their minds. That also backfired, as it dragged the entire process, and it gave way to allegations that the humanitarian efforts were fake, and that this was all an excuse to extend the war and commit the genocide they always wanted.

So, yes, unfortunately we are now living with the highest level of western anti-Semitism that I've seen in my lifetime.

several quick things:


1. regarding fake media, it is hardly one sided, e.g.,


AI Overview
While some Israeli soldiers and officials initially claimed that Hamas beheaded babies following the October 7, 2023, attack, official Israeli sources later stated they could not confirm this specific claim. The Israeli government ultimately acknowledged there was no evidence to support the allegation.
The initial propagation of the claim
Journalist's report: The claim began circulating on October 10 when a reporter for the Israeli news channel i24News stated that soldiers had described seeing babies with their heads cut off in Kfar Aza. The reporter later clarified that soldiers believed "40 babies/children were killed," which quickly became conflated with the beheading claim.
Official statements:
Following the initial media reports, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office repeated the claim that babies and toddlers were found with their "heads decapitated".
Some IDF spokespeople also initially repeated the beheading claim to news outlets, stating it was based on soldiers' accounts from the scene.
International figures: US President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken also referenced reports of beheaded babies in the days following the attack. The White House later walked back Biden's comments, clarifying he had not seen confirmed evidence but was alluding to news reports.
The claim is retracted


2. has it not occurred to you that much of the sentiment could be rooted in our exhaustion with funding anyone else, much less other nation's weapons and wars and god knows what else, all while we run trillion dollar deficits and debt we can never repay?


3. why have we launched bombs on iran (aren't finished doing so) and in the same 10 year span sent them a pallet of cash. i digress. they aren't bothering me. far more concerned with others in the world.


4. do i get debited $7k for this post?

I actually researched the whole "beheaded babies" thing, because the anti-Israel faction of leftists and Islamists were referencing it so much on social media, and I never had a clue what they were even referring to, as it wasn't something I ever saw in realtime, despite consuming a lot of media. Anyways, what actually happened is that a couple BRITISH tabloids picked up on the i24 reports, printed the story, then they pretty much immediately walked it back. And 99.9% of the people consuming media never even saw the actual allegations.

But the anti-Israel faction has spent the last 2 years using this as some sort of all purpose gotcha to justify their own consumption of obviously fake propaganda they never walk back or disavow, no matter how obvious and bad faith the propaganda is.

[Tellafriend]

several quick things:


1. regarding fake media, it is hardly one sided, e.g.,


AI Overview
While some Israeli soldiers and officials initially claimed that Hamas beheaded babies following the October 7, 2023, attack, official Israeli sources later stated they could not confirm this specific claim. The Israeli government ultimately acknowledged there was no evidence to support the allegation.
The initial propagation of the claim
Journalist's report: The claim began circulating on October 10 when a reporter for the Israeli news channel i24News stated that soldiers had described seeing babies with their heads cut off in Kfar Aza. The reporter later clarified that soldiers believed "40 babies/children were killed," which quickly became conflated with the beheading claim.
Official statements:
Following the initial media reports, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office repeated the claim that babies and toddlers were found with their "heads decapitated".
Some IDF spokespeople also initially repeated the beheading claim to news outlets, stating it was based on soldiers' accounts from the scene.
International figures: US President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken also referenced reports of beheaded babies in the days following the attack. The White House later walked back Biden's comments, clarifying he had not seen confirmed evidence but was alluding to news reports.
The claim is retracted


2. has it not occurred to you that much of the sentiment could be rooted in our exhaustion with funding anyone else, much less other nation's weapons and wars and god knows what else, all while we run trillion dollar deficits and debt we can never repay?


3. why have we launched bombs on iran (aren't finished doing so) and in the same 10 year span sent them a pallet of cash. i digress. they aren't bothering me. far more concerned with others in the world.


4. do i get debited $7k for this post?

I actually researched the whole "beheaded babies" thing, because the anti-Israel faction of leftists and Islamists were referencing it so much on social media, and I never had a clue what they were even referring to, as it wasn't something I ever saw in realtime, despite consuming a lot of media. Anyways, what actually happened is that a couple BRITISH tabloids picked up on the i24 reports, printed the story, then they pretty much immediately walked it back. And 99.9% of the people consuming media never even saw the actual allegations.

But the anti-Israel faction has spent the last 2 years using this as some sort of all purpose gotcha to justify their own consumption of obviously fake propaganda they never walk back or disavow, no matter how obvious and bad faith the propaganda is.

so fake i recall Biden repeatedly talking about it as justification for israel's response. i'm sure he picked that up from a british tabloid.

[Kalam]

I actually researched the whole "beheaded babies" thing, because the anti-Israel faction of leftists and Islamists were referencing it so much on social media, and I never had a clue what they were even referring to, as it wasn't something I ever saw in realtime, despite consuming a lot of media. Anyways, what actually happened is that a couple BRITISH tabloids picked up on the i24 reports, printed the story, then they pretty much immediately walked it back. And 99.9% of the people consuming media never even saw the actual allegations.

But the anti-Israel faction has spent the last 2 years using this as some sort of all purpose gotcha to justify their own consumption of obviously fake propaganda they never walk back or disavow, no matter how obvious and bad faith the propaganda is.

so fake i recall Biden repeatedly talking about it as justification for israel's response. i'm sure he picked that up from a british tabloid.

This is exactly what Biden said.

"I never really thought that I would see, have confirmed, pictures of terrorists beheading children."

And his own aides said they told him not to say anything about allegations of beheaded children, because they were unsubstantiated and already being walked back. But Biden, who didn't even know where he was half the time and was making a gaffe pretty much every time he tried to talk, went ahead and said it.

And like I said, the anti-Israel bad faith left has been using this as some sort of gotcha for 2 years to justify fake propaganda they never walk back no matter the complete lack of evidence for most of their allegations.

[Kalam]

In the literal fog of war one allegation was made that had to be walked back (and it was pretty much immediately to the point very few people ever even saw it), and leftists and Islamists have had to go back to the well over and over and over referencing this to justify their nonstop fake bullshit, because that is all they have.

[Tellafriend]

In the literal fog of war one allegation was made that had to be walked back (and it was pretty much immediately to the point very few people ever even saw it), and leftists and Islamists have had to go back to the well over and over and over referencing this to justify their nonstop fake bullshit, because that is all they have.

neither of us are there, so neither of us know. we only know what the liars on both sides say. we can both do our best to ferret out the bs from the truth, but from across the world, not so much. my resp above was in resp to druff's ons-sided view of the propaganda. my bottom line, kill who they want, just don't ask us to pay for it or have your back, so think twice. we have more than our fair share of problems here.