More bad Vegas news.
The number of houses on the market jumped 31% in July (vs July 2024). It's the highest jump for any US metro area.
https://www.ksl.com/article/51369246...-now-heres-why
More bad Vegas news.
The number of houses on the market jumped 31% in July (vs July 2024). It's the highest jump for any US metro area.
https://www.ksl.com/article/51369246...-now-heres-why
Hope you're right, but I have a feelin they won't. Something is happening that weekend that is causing the Sunday rate increase. Last time they did this was Wrestlemania weekend back in April!Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The system gives you only 5 nights comp.Was looking to finalize my trip for the end of this month and was pretty gob smacked by this rate gouging!
Previously, it was $50 for Saturday night stay (ok no issue there) and now it's $331 for Sunday night???
Keep in mind, Horseshoe is a VERY low end casino and I've stayed there for an entire week Comped last year and played/Lost more than I've ever played in all my Years going to Vegas (over $10,000 in one trip!)
I realize there are shows happening and John Mayer is playing Sunday night. But let's be real, he currently isn't a Huge draw that would cause such a price jump for a Sunday night.
I'm probably going to break up my trip and stay elsewhere Sunday and possibly Saturday if MGM or Palms will comp it.
But yea, this is just Gouging at it's finest folks!
That’s why this happened.
Book the most expensive nights with the comp (only 5), then call up and have them book the other as a separate reservation. They’ll be able to do it. If not ask for a supervisor.
John Mayer and the RISE Festival is all I see in terms of One Off shows that weekend.
Seems like they're dead set on that rate for Sunday, unless I arrive THAT Sunday and stay for 5 nights After, which defeats the purpose of using my time off!
That's not bad news for those of us looking to buy there.
Wait, I'm confused.Hope you're right, but I have a feelin they won't. Something is happening that weekend that is causing the Sunday rate increase. Last time they did this was Wrestlemania weekend back in April!
John Mayer and the RISE Festival is all I see in terms of One Off shows that weekend.
Seems like they're dead set on that rate for Sunday, unless I arrive THAT Sunday and stay for 5 nights After, which defeats the purpose of using my time off!
The rate is $331 on Sunday if it's the last night you stay, but it's cheaper if you are staying STARTING Sunday and remain 4 additional nights?
Now that I don't believe. Or if it's true, I've never seen it before, and there's probably a workaround.
Have you tried mock booking just Sunday and see what happens? Don't put it through, but tell me what happens if you try to stay Sunday only (to check out Monday).
Also, I would be wary of "Room Assigned Upon Arrival". That's giving them the authorization to assign you the worst room in the house. You are given literal last priority regarding room choice.
Among other problems, the rooms facing Flamingo Rd are VERY noisy. They can drop you in a low-floor room facing Flamingo, and good luck getting any sleep.
Oh, one more thing. Do you happen to know anyone who is Diamond that lives locally (or is not local but will be in Vegas when you arrive)? You can put him down as a second guest, check in with him, and they will waive your resort fees. The only time they won't is if he has a Caesars property room at the same time.
I also took a look for myself. The cost those nights is indeed high for everyone, but I have semi-good news:
It appears to just be Horseshoe which is jammed on that Sunday night.
Try booking at Harrah's and you will probably see it MUCH cheaper. In my opinion, Harrah's is only a small step down from Horseshoe, and is better than both LINQ and Flamingo.
Im sorry, but the video came up short and not going to help. Its too complicated and just doesnt show enough to entice me to now go there. The song is 1960-70s Frank Sinatra style and that's just not Las Vegas right now. Add in a boxer in a ring, fail.
Like I have said over and over- People are cheap, they want deals, freebies and a reason to drive across the 15 from So Cal to Clark County. Its the In N Out Burger service mode- Cheap, good service and consistent- that's what the visitors want. Not a brunette singing from the Rat Pack era.
Las Vegas Still Doesn't Get It: LVCVA Ad Generates Harsh Reaction: https://archive.ph/MpWx1
Did Las Vegas hire the Biden Administration to run their operations, because they seem to be using the exact same service model...
- Causes their own large scale operational problems through major gross incompetence, greed and blindly trying to manage things and cant see obvious operational failures.
- Everyone else knows what the REAL problems, infrastructure failures, repeated failure points, why they started and how to fix them. BUT executive management refuses to listen to the smart people and customer base who have the obvious real solutions.
- When they finally do roll out a "solution" to the issue (new Fabulous commercial), its totally off, wrong, a fail, totally misses the the issues and in no way fixed all the broken issues caused by retarded management in the first place.
On a serious note- The failures will go on for months up to years because they'll refuse to listen to the intelligent people and eventually concede that they failed and have no more options. Maybe even soon Nevada state and local governments will have to step in and correct the issues by threatening to yank their casino operating licenses.
Why why WHY did Las Vegas borrow the failed Biden Admin service model??
Its funny because its true.
Last edited by desertrunner; Yesterday at 06:31 PM.
I realized something today about this topic. If you go back, several times I have written about "California Indian Casinos" and it hit me that some of the non-California members probably have no idea what I am referring to and think a "California Indian Casino" is some double wide trailer with 3 slot machines out in the boon docks on a dirty reservation. I need to be clear, this is not how they are.
Most CA Indian casinos are rather massive upscale, Tier 1 mega resorts that rival most Las Vegas style properties. I have been to many of these locations in both Nor Cal and So Cal and even spent the night with a woman friend in a Fresno County mega resort, Druff actually met her prior that evening. The large comfy suite that evening was definitely first class.
Just so we are clear, these upscale first class properties in California are very popular, successful and one of the main reasons Las Vegas is losing their customer base- There is no reason to drive or fly to Vegas when you have first rate luxury casino action locally in several CA counties, some of which have top rated entertainers in concert.
Side note- About 1/2 years ago, I posted on PFA about a possible Indian casino going up in Barstow, CA and got Druff to do a segment on it on PFA radio. Fast forward 2 years later, I dont think there has been any movement on the Barstow property and if there was, I dont expect it to be very successful as there is a saturation of Indian casino properties in CA now.
Article- Barstow Casino | 2025 Updates BARSTOW CASINO PROJECT UPDATE
Me personally- I enjoy visiting and playing at these local Indian properties, but just dont feel the "Vegas magic" when there. Going to Nevada for me is a total experience as I like road tripping to Vegas and just getting away from CA for a couple of days.
In case you still dont understand how BIG these Indian casino properties are, almost all of them have their own full service, all risk fire departments, operating 24/7 and even offering Paramedic (Advanced Life Support) service and ambulances for their tribal members. Most or all of their fire stations and fire apparatus are very high caliber and state of the art.
They also give back to the community by going out on mutual aid and assist the local municipalities with 911 level emergencies and the major wildfires as they are part of the CA FireSCOPE mutual aid system. When it comes to their FD's, the Indians spare no expense and drop major money (in the millions) to fund and support these operations- staffing, equipment, facilities, etc. Lastly, these Indian casino FD's even have their own Fire Prevention division for the properties, with complete staffing of a Fire Marshal, Inspectors, Prevention Officers, etc. Do any hotel/casinos in Vegas own and operate their own personal fire departments- No.
One So Cal Indian FD's even got he best rating in the country- ISO Class 1. You might have seen this before on the side of the Las Vegas or Clark County fire trucks, its very hard to obtain and expensive. ISO Mitigation rates San Manuel Fire Department as Class 1 in Fire Protection services Druff might know about the ISO rating as well and might comment. He's seen the Vegas/Clark County trucks in person.
Also, some of these Indian casinos also have their own independent gas stations, I know as I have fueled up at Morongo (I-10, Riverside County) and some smaller property in Nor Cal, south of the Oregon border. Why drive to Nevada, its all here at the local Indian casino...
So after reviewing all of this new material, some of you might now understand better why Las Vegas and Reno are both losing a major amount of their customer base- the massive first class MEGA resort Indians hotel/casinos in California snatched them. Why travel all that way to super expensive Las Vegas to get nickel and dimed to death when you can stay locally and your jew-wallet not get screwed.
Article- California's Largest Indian Casinos
Look how MASSIVE the entire Pala Indian hotel/casino property is with both their hotel/casino and their own personal fire department. They spent 9.2 million dollars just on one HQ fire station and its not a big deal to them. Where the fuck you think the 9.2 million dollars came from- Happy California gamblers sitting in their local air-conditioned California based casinos instead of driving 5 long boring hours to Las Vegas for outrageous resort fees. Hello, McFly, you get it yet??
View of the $9.2 million Pala Fire Department headquarters as two fire engines return to the facility. In the distance at left is the Pala Casino and Hotel-
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44 states have casinos. I don’t need to fly 6½ hours to place a bet or play 6/5 blackjack. Gambling is now a commodity.
Not too long ago (pre PASPA) I used to enjoy booking a trip Oct 1st to bet and watch playoff MLB. Green money bet and received. I enjoyed the camaraderie of hanging out with fellow degenerates sweating the game. The anonymity of the sportsbook was a big appeal.
I can now bet any amount imaginable locally or on my phone and have it deposited to my checking account in 24 hours. Through the the modern miracle of discord and such I can “hang out” with a close circle of guys and discuss wagers 24/7.
I can’t think of too many reasons to commit to a Vegas trip any more. See an A’s or Raiders game?
I am prolly fairly typical these days.
I have imagined Vegas served the remaining US jerkwaters and I considered California one of them. Your post maybe changes my perception of Cali gambling a little bit. Still no sports wagering so it’s still a backward jerkwater. Prolly always will be.
The dedicated and casino funded fire department is testimony to the power of 6/5 blackjack and triple zero roulette. Really interesting. The firehouse in your picture is not just utilitarian architecture. It’s pretty swanky. I wonder if the Indian casinos are self insured somehow.
I honestly find this fierce debate a curiosity. The success or failure of Vegas is of little concern over here.
I almost forgot. Nashville is the party spot in my circle. I’ve never been. Wife and friends will be there next month. Kids are always down there for bachelor or bachelorette partying. No one talks about Vegas. It seems it is not cool or something. I had my fill of that in my day. Atlantis is calling though. Have to admit.
desertrunner is correct that some of the CA Indian casinos have gotten very large, complex, and high-end.
When you go to Yaamava, the closest one to the LA area (it's near San Bernadino), you'll be impressed. Well, you'll be impressed once you navigate the awful parking structure and make your way through the confusing layout into the casino itself.
It's big, it's busy, it has a fairly high quality food court, it's clean, it has fine dining, and the rooms are really nice, especially the suites.
The area itself is nothing to speak of. You're in the unexciting city of Highland, there isn't much of a view from any of the rooms, and there's not much to do in the outlying area, unless you want to drive up the mountain to Big Bear (still 46 miles and well over an hour to get up there).
Still, it's indistinguishable from a good Vegas casino, and a lot of people feel like that's enough. No sportsbetting, though, or craps for that matter. None of that at all in California.
Good point.
More good points.I can’t think of too many reasons to commit to a Vegas trip any more. See an A’s or Raiders game?
I am glad you brought this up as Sports Betting has come up many times before and (I think) is a heavy topic. Unfortunately, its not my wheel house, so Druff might have to add more content here, this is his expertise. Sorry I dont know.I have imagined Vegas served the remaining US jerkwaters and I considered California one of them. Your post maybe changes my perception of Cali gambling a little bit. Still no sports wagering so it’s still a backward jerkwater. Prolly always will be.
More insightful commentary and YES, I do believe the Indian properties are all self insured and independently owned by them. The facilities are tribal soil, given by the US Gov.The dedicated and casino funded fire department is testimony to the power of 6/5 blackjack and triple zero roulette. Really interesting. The firehouse in your picture is not just utilitarian architecture. It’s pretty swanky. I wonder if the Indian casinos are self insured somehow.
Side note- If you ever go to Placer County outside of Sacramento, the successful Thunder Valley Indian casino is there and way off property in Auburn, CA they have own school buildings there for the tribal children, tribal homes and their executive offices. They even have new vans to transport the kids. Its a pretty upscale operation, all funded by the casino. Side note- the Thunder Valley casino does have their own fire station and apparatus, but contract staffing from the county. Ofcourse, the station is totally polished and Tier 1.
Nashville is very successful on many levels, correct?I almost forgot. Nashville is the party spot in my circle. I’ve never been. Wife and friends will be there next month. Kids are always down there for bachelor or bachelorette partying. No one talks about Vegas. It seems it is not cool or something. I had my fill of that in my day. Atlantis is calling though. Have to admit.
@Druff
Care to speculate as to why there is no craps in Cali? If there is one pit game that is worth -EV exposure just for the fun it is craps.
I recently stopped in to a NH (country978) casino in a shopping mall just to explore. Prolly an old Sears or Macy’s. Your post had me realize there was no craps there either.
These mall casinos should offer dentistry as well as a merchandise shop.
Tricky game craps to train staff and to supervise, I imagine. I also didn’t see any electronic craps games. Dear god in heaven the odds on the other electronic pit games were without shame. Terrible.
Antiquated 1990s rule that dice and sportsbetting are somehow evil, but table games and slots are cool.
For awhile it was required that all table games had to be house banked, which meant you'd pay an obnoxious $1 commission every hand. Finally that was relaxed, and the Indian joints were able to bank their own tables. The no-house-banking rule still exists at non-Indian California cardrooms, so you have to plunk down that $1 every hand when you play UTH or one of those other card games in the poker rooms like Commerce. And of course, the house often really IS banking it, using shell corporations and whatnot.
To say the least, gaming regulation in California is not very good. I'm just scratching the surface here. I could go on for days talking about how bad CA gaming regulation is, but to be fair, it's also pretty bad in all states not named Nevada. And even Nevada could use a lot of improvement.
That one word in bold says it all and a major point in all of this. I am curious how much Indian casino kick back money Gavin Newsom pockets.
Speaking of fire depts, Druff's oldest son Mitch (foreground) was working for AMR ambulance a few years ago and I dont know if he is still there or moved on to a department. Maybe Druff will update us sometime.
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