This whole conversation kind of assumes Putin is actually willing to accede to some sort of reasonable peace plan. Now I dont have any information one way or another, but I dont think any of you do either and are really kind of baking this in with no real insight. Last time I checked, Putin's idea of a peace treaty is Ukraine giving up a bunch of land Russia hasn't even taken, and then promising to demilitarize no matter what Russia does. Which seems like he isn't really serious.
PUTIN'S READY FOR PEACE, has always wanted peace. He's very articulate, democraticaly elected, keeps his word, a perfect ally.Originally Posted by Kalam
Oh yea lets have a new cold war, constant nuclear threats etc so those pentagon grifters can get paid.
Fuck that.
Putin saying Russia is open to dialogue doesn't actually mean Russia is open to dialogue.PUTIN'S READY FOR PEACE, has always wanted peace. He's very articulate, democraticaly elected, keeps his word, a perfect ally.
Oh yea lets have a new cold war, constant nuclear threats etc so those pentagon grifters can get paid.
Fuck that.
Trump can scapegoat Zelensky all he wants. But at some point he is going to have to show receipts there is actual productive dialogue with Russia about reasonable terms to end the war, or it is all Kabuki theatre.
Good post. I agree. Clearly no one is ever giving up nuclear weapons again in the future. No agreement Putin makes is worth anything. He is just going to immediately break it.Putin saying Russia is open to dialogue doesn't actually mean Russia is open to dialogue.
Trump can scapegoat Zelensky all he wants. But at some point he is going to have to show receipts there is actual productive dialogue with Russia about reasonable terms to end the war, or it is all Kabuki theatre.
That said, before we get ourselves into this shit each time, it is really kind of simple. Would you send your kid to save Ukraine? I imagine it's a fuck no. Do you want your kid to be paying for it 30 years from now? I assume that's a no. I feel for them, but not so much so that I want to keep spending like we did for 20 years in the middle east and start dealing with our infrastructure fucked with in the technical ways that Russia is capable of. Some people are just born in the wrong area of the world, and it is unfortunate. Us pumping them full of false hope and BS is really bad policy also. Many countries would be better off if they never met us. Throughout history you see this reoccurring theme of the world powers always returning to consolidating their sphere of influence. And in a nuclear world, what can you really do? It is Russia. Fighting wars with them requires either millions of bodies or a blank check forever.
Putin cheerleading is gross. That scene the other day was embarrassing. But so many people that lean left view him as the king of all the misinformation, and he still is, and I hate that, but that doesn't mean he is actually going to start a war and start invading Western Europe. It doesn't mean his replacement will be better. We don't run well with regime change. Maybe he does invade others, and I am wrong? I don't think he will go that far, in which case, there isn't much to be done. We will face the same situation in Taiwan at some point. I can understand Europe being really uncomfortable with the situation though with how cozy Trump is with him.
It is a bully situation. We are the biggest bully, but that bully over there fighting the neighbor a world away might join with China and form a real bully that we don't have the means or resolve to deal with. That is a way more likely than him invading Britain or France by a long way imo. He knows we have to get involved then. But I wouldn't want to be in eastern europe in a fomer USSR country or Poland. That is greyer, but I think Russia will have to rebuild for a good while after this shit and hopefully we at least bought some time for our many billions. That Putin is scum and that we can't do much about Ukraine to me both seem pretty true.
Listen to what Zelensky says and his body language. He clearly wants this.
https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1896267384153161880
Trump's such a gullible dolt, one visit from Starmer or Macron he'll sign on to this.
It's like whoever he met with last is who he agrees with.
If there ever was a time to pull out of NATO it's now.
AP Headline
Ukraine's Zelenskyy says end of war with Russia is 'very, very far away'
Why does the media treat Zelensky as if he's knowledgable about war, he's a shitty ass comedian that's it.
Fuck Zelensky and every single one of his enablers and supporters. Esp these stupid liberals who are now war hawks.
Zelenskyy and his oligarchs have been getting rich off the war and don’t want the gravy train to stop. Consequently, the war will go on.
POKER FAG ALERT! FOR BLOW JOBS SEE SLOPPY JOE, SONATINE AND BCR.
Your cynicism is well meaning but
U.S. Pauses All Military Aid to Ukraine
If the Brits send troops Trump will use that opportunity to begin NATO exit.
Something like this.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1896637340363407844
I got a question, name something Putin has done that makes you dislike him?
I'll answer
Nothing.
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This all started when oligarch Khorokovsky got arressted and sent to prison and the Russian oil company he stole was returned to the Russian govt.
This pissed off Khordovsky's people who happen to control the media so they've been hitting us with anti Putin propaganda ever since.
Great speech to the EU by Jeffrey Sachs:
POKER FAG ALERT! FOR BLOW JOBS SEE SLOPPY JOE, SONATINE AND BCR.
So in the US Neocons and Zelensky, Boris Johnson pushing this war.
What about in Russia?
Check out Russia's top warmonger. Like Zelensky he will say anything to keep the war going.
Urging Russians to go die on the battlefield etc Yes he is Jewish (not that it matters)and used to live in the USA.
MUST WATCH
He claims to be preparing the world for the second coming of Jesus Christ, give me a break.
You know who else is Jewish? The Prime Minister of Russia, second in charge behind Putin and he's also as warmonger.
Mikhail Mishustin
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
This fucking Trump, gives half of India green cards and now this.
This is a strange move
Why is Trump helping Zelensky solve his man power shortage?
https://x.com/i/trending/1897668878106493083
He's kicking out the only refugees who can credibly claim they fear deasth if they go home.
Yea that's about right.
We're not even 2 months in, this is going to be a long 4 years.
Mishustin is not Jewish, neither is Putin through his mother or whatever other claims people make up for whatever weird reason. The POLtard crowd has gotten increasingly pathetic at this over the last decade.So in the US Neocons and Zelensky, Boris Johnson pushing this war.
What about in Russia?
Check out Russia's top warmonger. Like Zelensky he will say anything to keep the war going.
Urging Russians to go die on the battlefield etc Yes he is Jewish (not that it matters)and used to live in the USA.
MUST WATCH
He claims to be preparing the world for the second coming of Jesus Christ, give me a break.
You know who else is Jewish? The Prime Minister of Russia, second in charge behind Putin and he's also as warmonger.
Mikhail Mishustin
BYE, BYE!
what happened, what did i miss? i don't see anything new happening over Ukraine?BYE, BYE!
Russia seizes 100s of Ukrainian troops and labels them 'terrorists' as Putin dons military fatigues
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ceasefire.html
Putin has seized control of Kursk.
He will soon have complete control of Ukraine.
Zelenskyy only decision will be which country he can get asylum in.
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