Watch in full: Angry exchange between Trump and Zelensky at White House

[mickeycrimm]

Russia, when the war first started, was supposed to rollover Ukraine. However, Ukraine has not only held its own in the war, with the help of foreign aid, but also has pushed Russia back and reclaimed some of its lost territory. The war isn't going the way Russia wanted, and there is a strong chance that Russia would lose. Why do I want to the war to end when there is a strong possibility of forever crushing putin? Why would I want the war to end now only for putin to survive and continue his regime? Why would I want the war to end only for Russia to strengthen itself again through the US?


Also, how have our sanctions not hurt Russia? There is a reason they are trying to get Korean soldiers and using old weaponry. Russia is a shell of its former self due to those sanctions.

That Russia was supposed to "rollover Ukraine" is a false premise started by western politicians and journalists to make the Russians appear to be weak and the Ukrainians appear to be strong. Russia invaded with just 40,000 soldiers. Not a tenth of whats needed to conquer a country. They weren't trying to conquer the country. Just move into the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic, which they have occupied since the beginning of the war. The Russians were obviously trying to show they were serious and thought a peace deal would be struck. But western globalists want war.

[desertrunner]

Norwegian fuel supplier refuses U.S. warships over Ukraine


the company criticised a televised event involving U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance, referring to it as the “biggest shitshow ever presented live on TV.” Haltbakk Bunkers praised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for his restraint, accusing the U.S. of “putting on a backstabbing TV show” and declaring that the spectacle “made us sick.”

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/norw...-over-ukraine/

Fuck them, Trump won’t forget when that company wants something.

[desertrunner]

According to Google translate, Z called JD Vance a “bitch” in Russian…

[RichardBrodiesCombover.]

Norwegian fuel supplier refuses U.S. warships over Ukraine


the company criticised a televised event involving U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance, referring to it as the “biggest shitshow ever presented live on TV.” Haltbakk Bunkers praised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for his restraint, accusing the U.S. of “putting on a backstabbing TV show” and declaring that the spectacle “made us sick.”

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/norw...-over-ukraine/

Fuck them, Trump won’t forget when that company wants something.

Hahaha exactly what would they want from Trump?

[RichardBrodiesCombover.]

According to Google translate, Z called JD Vance a “bitch” in Russian…

Kinda looks like a bitch to me

[Jayjami]

According to Google translate, Z called JD Vance a “bitch” in Russian…

Well JD is a little bitch, so there’s that.

[BCR]

I try to stay consistent. Fifty years of US policy is us pumping up some country telling them we have their backs and then leaving them to die. That’s what we do.

Fifty years of shit where we probably shouldn’t be there, get involved, spend billions, and ultimately bail on some people we rallied at some point telling them America has their back. From Vietnam onward.

Like I didn’t care that we left Afghanistan. There is no good way to get out of that shit. It’s always going to be messy whenever you go. No one gives a fuck now.

It’s always a bad look to burn bridges though when you’re fucking a country over, but Putin was going to get his way the moment Trump won. He basically was trying to grab some mineral shit with no real promises of anything. It was all fake. A good attempt by him to loot the people you’re going to fuck over on the way out the door.

That was the most coordinated nonsense yesterday. They have video of Trump greeting Zelensky mocking him about his clothes before it even started. The whole day was obviously scripted to be exactly that. To give the MAGA retards who just had a laughably bad day over the Epstein files the day before something to fist pump about. WWE shit as his crowd is that level of people. I laugh at the Trump peacekeeper shit. He just said roll over Palestine and kill them all last month. He doesn’t give a single fuck about anything besides who is paying him.

But I never wanted to be there in the first place, so it’s best to get out. All these conflicts, you’re either in or out and we are never in. Without being fully in, in their part of the world, they are going to keep throwing bodies longer than we ever are. We act like Iraq and Afghanistan were some serious American conflict. Only to the pocketbook.

We lost like 8k lives in 20 years. Thats less than a week in this conflict. Given the age of the average soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they largely come from lower socio economic backgrounds, it was safer to be at war in the Middle East than in some American metropolitan area. Way more kids with missing limbs, but actual deaths, we have cities that pile up bodies at a higher rate over 20 years. I’m more impressed at some black kid who managed to stay alive in Chicago than some Iraq vet if he wasn’t there in the first six months. After that it was more safe than being at home.

But we don’t have the stomach for it. Haven’t for 50 years. And in this case with nuclear weapons, doesn’t make sense as a cornered Putin is unpredictable if you get physically involved. They get a million of their kids killed and remain popular. Can’t really stop a bully if you aren’t willing to get your hands dirty and we are so far from having that type of resolve. And it would be dumb anyway. Some people have the misfortune of being born in the wrong place. If you’re Ukraine or Taiwan, it’s when, not if.


What is a win? Putin is 72. Disregarding rumors of his imminent demise, we are going to see regime change anyway within a decade there. If we get something better or worse remains to be seen. He’s a horrible faggot, but better than some horrible faggot from one of those breakaway territories that are full of Muslims and are nuts also. At least he’s a Cold War product when there were rules and the players understood MAD.


Russia is an organized crime country. We are an organized crime country now. All these conmen running the world and taking the time to steal a few billion off memecoins on the weekend. Imagine your president and his wife stealing billions and it’s not even a story. That’s where we are. Organized crime is good at keeping peace because peace is profitable to the crime bosses at the top of the food chain. Why go to war with the other biggest crime family? Never good for business. They’ll throw the military contractors and bomb builders a bone elsewhere. When it’s some people no one gives a fuck about in Africa or wherever.

[desertrunner]

[zealanddonk]

Funny they didnt add "elected" to Vance's caption.

[Daly]

This picture wrapped up the whole exchange perfectly. This is the Ukrainian Ambassador to the US right when the heat of the argument took off.

Both Trump and Putin want this war over. They both want to mine the raw earth there to recover costs. Putin doesn't want a US base on his doorstep, which is reasonable. I understand why Ukraine would want us there but its the raw earth business that will keep everything calm.

I admire him trying to stick up for his country but the best thing long term is to sign the deal and accept the new normal.

The unsaid part of the deal is what the US is going to get as far as “no more” or what the long term line is going to be drawn. The west has pushed Russia time and time again since mr Gorby tore down the wall. In many ways you knew it was a matter of time.

[RichardBrodiesCombover.]

But giving 4 billion to Israel in their continued war is somehow ok

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rubio-sig...014129783.html

[Orko]

If Zelinsky cared one tiny bit about the lives of Ukranians he wouldn;t have smarted off.

That piece of shit would rather continue the war without US help than reach a peace deal.
Unbelievably
Trump was offering him an implied security guarentee and Zelensky moved the goal post. Telling vance he won't do any sort of deal with Putin.

Victor Orban has a saying 'weak men want war and strong men want peace". It's def true, look at all the fem men beating the drums for war. Macron Starmer Zelensky

Also JD Vance isn't a sure thing, Rubio can probably beat him if he can suppress his inner Neocon.

Trump almost got us into ww3. US workers would have been put in ukraine as a trip wire.
Bessent told Zelinsky it was a security guarentee, lil did he know Zelensky's goal is to kill ukranians not give them security.


Trump's a corrupt traitor, this gutting the govt and esp gutting medicare for his private equity friends will all but eliminate the middle class.
We will soon have death panels in the usa.
We are at the dawn of tyranny and despotism.

[zealanddonk]

If
Trump was offering him an implied security guarentee

Ukraine had an actual security guarantee they wouldnt get fucked in the arse if they gave up their nukes and see how well that worked out.

Agreeing to America in the Ukraine to get the rare metals only makes sense if Trump wasnt busy sucking Putin off and could be trusted, which he cant.

Oban is Putin's lackey does his "hurr hurr peace good" is not exactly with merit in this case either.

[go_buccos]

But giving 4 billion to Israel in their continued war is somehow ok

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rubio-sig...014129783.html

No, it’s not *one bit* okay. You and I are in 100% agreement there.

[joe croupier]

You are all wrong, I felt sorry for this zelensky guy, Think about it his country is getting attacked and he's gone for an interview with two guys talking about whatever, The last thing on this mans mind is to be there in an interview while people are dying and his country is being attacked talking about whatever.



If your home was getting attacked from the outside and you had to defend yourself from the inside with a few people helping, And a guy sent you money for bullets, would the last place on earth for you be an interview with the guy giving you money outside your house in a safe location ? ?


It's a simple question to answer




In my eyes zelensky had a right to say, act, talk, swear, get angry as much as he wants with zero judgement from me.



you are all wrong

[joe croupier]

and also a little gay, but we know this anyways haha

[tgull]

Remember when Jack Smith had all those prosecutions? Where are they now? What a beatdown that was, you don't see that bearded clown anymore now do you? Do you?

Trump controls all levers of the government, Presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court. 3/4th of the state legislatures. He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. That has to sting, huh?

I love when libs go nuts over Trump. When Biden won I was like oh well, see you in 4 years. When Trump wins libs go into full TDS mode, it is absolutely hilarious Trump has infected their mind. It is so beautiful to watch.

You said you put me on ignore after i bet you 500 on the election, which you couldn't afford. So you cried and said you blocked me. Why lie about the block?

Because you are fun to tilt. You are like a little dog. Actually, someone who is slow. All we have to do is mention Trump is a positive light and we get a reaction from you. It's kind of funny. Like giving a retard a trophy for running a spastic 2 minute hundred yard dash. We don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[Orko]

Remember Trump's trying to destroy the US Govt aka privatize.
Trump was going to fund Ukraine by promising to recover the money from rare earths. It's pure bullshit.
Great video They said the same thing about Afghanistan. Do you realize how much money and work it takes to even start a mine.

Trump's going to destroy the country, he's such a corrupt carnival barking buffoon.
Zelensky not signing the deal was a huge fail. They don't have rare earth minerals.

G


Never forget
Trump wants the US Govt to become insolvent asap.

[Tellafriend]

Russia, when the war first started, was supposed to rollover Ukraine. However, Ukraine has not only held its own in the war, with the help of foreign aid, but also has pushed Russia back and reclaimed some of its lost territory. The war isn't going the way Russia wanted, and there is a strong chance that Russia would lose. Why do I want to the war to end when there is a strong possibility of forever crushing putin? Why would I want the war to end now only for putin to survive and continue his regime? Why would I want the war to end only for Russia to strengthen itself again through the US?


Also, how have our sanctions not hurt Russia? There is a reason they are trying to get Korean soldiers and using old weaponry. Russia is a shell of its former self due to those sanctions.

[Daly]

Remember Trump's trying to destroy the US Govt aka privatize.
Trump was going to fund Ukraine by promising to recover the money from rare earths. It's pure bullshit.
Great video They said the same thing about Afghanistan. Do you realize how much money and work it takes to even start a mine.

Trump's going to destroy the country, he's such a corrupt carnival barking buffoon.
Zelensky not signing the deal was a huge fail. They don't have rare earth minerals.

G


Never forget
Trump wants the US Govt to become insolvent asap.

He is going to destroy the country….. by keeping us out of a prolonged war.