Dan Bilzerian vs Israel

[1dollarboxcar]

@ dipshit Ryback_feed_me_more , Israel doesn't pay for shit, the money is laundered to Israel via US tax payer money, once laundered to the Jews then they "make purchases" for weaponry and military needs, they never once earned the money that they purchase this military equipment with, with what economy could they raise these funds to "purchase" said equipment??!!!

about 2 years ago when our Govt. was at a stand still on passing a "resolution" for the budget and some Repubs were playing hardball and holding it up ( i hope you can remember ) well one of the things our Govt. was crying about was it was also time to replenish the iron dome for Israel... and how could they defend themselves without rockets shooting other rockets out of the sky..?? if they are so self reliant with their own funds why don't they just purchase these anti-missile rockets themselves..??!!!!
because they can't you stupid ill informed parroting little bitch pussy !!! you're an idiot who has no fucking clue...

[Dan Druff]

People love to overcomplicate the Israel matter.

This is where we have a weird intersection between far-left anti-Semites who see Jews as evil, colonizing capitalists, and the far-right anti-Semites who see Jews as scheming threats to Christianity and the white race. Both see Jews as manipulative, conniving, and evil. Both believe in ridiculous conspiracies regarding Jews controlling everything, which is funny because we saw American universities plagued with months of anti-Semitic protests and violence, while nothing was done about it. How come the Jewish influence couldn't put a stop to that?

Israel is a small country surrounded by countries which hate them. Most of the hatred is for religious reasons. and not sociopolitical or anything resembling rational thought. The Jew hatred in that region is mostly primitive and identity-based.

If Israel did not have the military capabilities that they do, they would have been wiped off the map a long time ago. They do not have the population numbers to fight off the enemies on all sides. They don't have a big ocean separating them from their enemies, like the US does. The danger is right next door.

These same countries also hate the US, for basically the same reasons. However, these countries can't do much to the US, as we are simply too far away, and they don't have any WMDs which can travel to the other side of the globe. At worst they can do 9/11 style attacks. Israel is in existential danger. We aren't. It is important to have a strong ally in a region of the world where we are hated. Even putting all moral reason to defend Israel aside, having them as an ally is strategically correct.

War is messy, ugly, and deadly. That's always been the case, and it always will be the case. After an attack like 10/7, ideally Israel would capture or kill those responsible, with zero other civilian deaths. But that's not reality, especially when the perpetrators hide among civilians as human shields.

There's also the major problem of conflating the 10/7 attacks with other general criticisms of Israel. The anti-Semites basically want Israel to say, "Okay, yeah, you came into our homeland and killed 1200 of our civilians, but we've been mistreating you guys, so I guess we had it coming. Let's talk peace now!"

That's ridiculous, and absolutely no country on earth would work that way. If you attack a country on its homeland, you will get a response -- often far harsher than your initial attack. This is especially true if you attack a country with stronger military might than your own. You can't just expect the country you attacked to say, "Okay, message received! What would you like from us? Please don't do this again!" But that's basically what the anti-Semites want Israel to do, and anything short of that is labeled genocide. It's ridiculous.

If, separate from the 10/7 response (and the subsequent Hezbollah attacks, which are related because both are essentially Iranian proxy wars), you want to call out Israel for their policies regarding territories like Gaza, then that's a reasonable discussion to be had. However, the Jew haters are just rolling it all into one, basically accusing Israel of using this to carry out a genocide against the Palestinian people. That's just false, and all the blustering by freaks like Bilzerian, Candace Owens, and Justin Bonomo won't change that.

[NickyPipes]

Back when I was in college I read the “Blitz Well” on two plus two

Since then it’s been interesting to see his development and the different avenues he’s taken

Certainly an interesting guy not afraid to speak his mind

Andrew Tate and I are also friends so it’s funny to see them doing this raising all this trouble

[Tellafriend]

It is important to have a strong ally in a region of the world where we are hated. Even putting all moral reason to defend Israel aside, having them as an ally is strategically correct.

i've heard this same babble my whole life. our greatest ally. blah blah blah. it's all trite bullshit. what does that mean?

Druff, what is so important about us having to defend and fund a small country in a region surrounded by folks who hate them? how again does that benefit us? in fact, what has Israel done for us?

our greatest ally. lol. our greatest sponsor is more to the point.

i don't hate jews. i don't hate Buddhists. i don't hate moderate Islamicists. etc. i just don't give a shit about them and sure as fuck don't want to fund them -- especially when we are way past broke and have to print the moony to do it. it's insanity if you are honest about it. but we can't be honest about it, b/c then the whole charade falls apart and the money dries up.

but back to the issue: come again with why it is so important to have a strong ally in a region of the world we are hated? what has that done for us exactly?

[Deal]

No country in the middle east hated america until america started fighting wars for israels desire to rule the region. israel is the largest destabilizing force in the world.

Once israel is eliminated the rest of the middle east will get back to fighting each other over borders and religion without any help from america. Russia can get back to trading with Europe without americas empire hammer (nato) planning to re-rape it. Jews can get back to subverting the power structures in whatever country they move to until they get kicked out. Just like its always been. Let China take a turn getting involved and going bankrupt trying to bring peace and prosperity to a region that will ultimately reject it.

america can get busy recovering from its empire and dollar collapse, reject communism with civil war, rebuild its manufacturing capacity while planning to takeover canada for any shortcoming of natural resources.

[Dan Druff]

It is important to have a strong ally in a region of the world where we are hated. Even putting all moral reason to defend Israel aside, having them as an ally is strategically correct.

i've heard this same babble my whole life. our greatest ally. blah blah blah. it's all trite bullshit. what does that mean?

Druff, what is so important about us having to defend and fund a small country in a region surrounded by folks who hate them? how again does that benefit us? in fact, what has Israel done for us?

our greatest ally. lol. our greatest sponsor is more to the point.

i don't hate jews. i don't hate Buddhists. i don't hate moderate Islamicists. etc. i just don't give a shit about them and sure as fuck don't want to fund them -- especially when we are way past broke and have to print the moony to do it. it's insanity if you are honest about it. but we can't be honest about it, b/c then the whole charade falls apart and the money dries up.

but back to the issue: come again with why it is so important to have a strong ally in a region of the world we are hated? what has that done for us exactly?

I'm surprised you ask why it's important.

In 2001, a terrorist group controlling country from that region attacked our homeland.

Iran is constantly pursuing nuclear weapons.

We can't ignore that region like it doesn't affect us. For about 15 years from the 2000s through the mid-2010s, that was our main foreign threat concern, and countries like Russia took a back seat.

It is very important to have an ally right there.

Should we be funding their country? No. Should be give monetary military aid when justified? Yes, within reason.

In any case, I do understand the argument against giving money to any foreign country to fight its wars. That is a reasonable position to take. Unfortunately, most of the people saying this (I'm not saying you, but most) are just using it as an excuse to bash Jews.

[Sanlmar]

Happy GWOT Anniversary Druff.

I’m sure with our help it will all work out. It usually does, right?

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We were running pretty good in Iran with the Shah until we fucked that up too.

[Sanlmar]

In any case, I do understand the argument against giving money to any foreign country to fight its wars. That is a reasonable position to take. Unfortunately, most of the people saying this (I'm not saying you, but most) are just using it as an excuse to bash Jews.

This is rubbish.

I quite agree with Tellafriend’s point of view. I’ve been on this board for a decade and I challenge you to find or recall an antisemitic remark. Like ever. Almost nary even a Jewish joke.

Yet I completely agree we need to back off. Further, I find Bibi reprehensible. You will find very little left of Israel as we knew it when he finally seeks exile in Miami. Iran needn’t fire a shot.

but I will admit Bibi is causing antisemitism to grow. it’s not right.

I am not going to press play on any PB David or Bilzarian rubbish either.

[Deal]

Iran is constantly pursuing nuclear weapons.

If the pursuit of nuclear weapons is reason for invasion then why did the US not invade Israel when they stole weapons grade uranium from NJ and started their nuclear weapons program in Dimona?

Oh wait, JFK was about to do something about it just before he was killed.

[Tellafriend]

I'm surprised you ask why it's important.

In 2001, a terrorist group controlling country from that region attacked our homeland.

Iran is constantly pursuing nuclear weapons.

We can't ignore that region like it doesn't affect us. For about 15 years from the 2000s through the mid-2010s, that was our main foreign threat concern, and countries like Russia took a back seat.

It is very important to have an ally right there.

Should we be funding their country? No. Should be give monetary military aid when justified? Yes, within reason.

In any case, I do understand the argument against giving money to any foreign country to fight its wars. That is a reasonable position to take. Unfortunately, most of the people saying this (I'm not saying you, but most) are just using it as an excuse to bash Jews.

Druff - you didn't answer my question: what exactly does Israel offer us by being our greatest ally in the dangerous region?

seems to me it only increases OUR risk and exposure.

[Sanlmar]

Tellafriend: Miami, lol

Bibi’s son, Yair, bravely fights for Israel in Miami behind a podcasters microphone.

I’m sure father and son will be reunited in a year or two.

[Kalam]

Tellafriend: Miami, lol

Bibi’s son, Yair, bravely fights for Israel in Miami behind a podcasters microphone.

I’m sure father and son will be reunited in a year or two.

The guy is 33 years old. He did more service than any of us. And Bibi himself was a certified badass who saw a lot of heavy action. Except for the Haredi, who are a joke*, the rest of Israeli society from top to bottom has way more skin in the game than 99% of Americans, so I dont think that is a very fair angle to criticize Israel from.

* It really is a joke that in Israel the right wing fanatics are the ones that refuse to fight. It really is an inversion of how the world (and religion itself) is supposed to work. Willingness to fight and die for the cause is really the only useful thing right wing religious fanatics tend to bring to the table.

[Kalam]

Druff - you didn't answer my question: what exactly does Israel offer us by being our greatest ally in the dangerous region?

seems to me it only increases OUR risk and exposure.

The Middle East is shaped the way it is today because the US has made a lot of commitments to a lot of people, mainly for its own benefit. And in totality things worked out well for the US, much better than many of its client states. In a vacuum commitment to Israel seems like a net loser. But the commitment to Israel it tied to a lot of other commitments that in totality have been very +EV for the US I would say.

Is maintaining our current commitments in the Middle East still in US interests? I really dont know, but I suspect they are.

I will say, if the US was really interested in getting the Israeli right out of power, I think the best strategy would be to stop funding Palestinian bad actors. The ascendence of the Israeli is a reaction to Palestinian belligerence; and I suspect society would quickly shift back left if there was actual peace. It probably will anyways, as soon as the current fighting is done.

But there is no hope for the Palestinians as long as the West keeps funding groups like Fatah and Hamas. That is a complete bottomless pit of authoritarian radicalization and hate. As much as we talk about all the military aid to send Israel, we kind of gloss over that belligerent Palestinian actors are completely supported by Western nations; and cutting them off would be a more effective way to enact positive change.

[Orko]

Tellafriend: Miami, lol

Bibi’s son, Yair, bravely fights for Israel in Miami behind a podcasters microphone.

I’m sure father and son will be reunited in a year or two.

The guy is 33 years old. He did more service than any of us. And Bibi himself was a certified badass who saw a lot of heavy action. Except for the Haredi, who are a joke*, the rest of Israeli society from top to bottom has way more skin in the game than 99% of Americans, so I dont think that is a very fair angle to criticize Israel from.

* It really is a joke that in Israel the right wing fanatics are the ones that refuse to fight. It really is an inversion of how the world (and religion itself) is supposed to work. Willingness to fight and die for the cause is really the only useful thing right wing religious fanatics tend to bring to the table.

The Haredi are not a joke, you don't know what would happen if they didn't study scripture all day. It's pretty messed up to change the rules on them now.
I support their right to opt out of military service. American Jews need to pick up the slack for them. Kalam pack your bags, time to enlist.

[Deal]

Kalam, like we need to listen to survivors of communism to understand the lessons they learned from living through the lies and deceit that led to mass death so that we don't march down the same road, how about you listen to your idols that lived through the lolocaust.

[Kalam]

Kalam, like we need to listen to survivors of communism to understand the lessons they learned from living through the lies and deceit that led to mass death so that we don't march down the same road, how about you listen to your idols that lived through the lolocaust.

Mizrachi Jews that were actively persecuted by Muslim majorities in Arab countries, before being ultimately run out and all their property stolen as collateral punishment for Israel existing, tend to lean right wing and favor force against Palestinians. This includes Lebanese Jews that were horrible persecuted, tortured, murdered and run out by Palestinians after many relocated there after being forced out of Jordan and Kuwait.

Should we also listen to the survivors of Arab Muslim persecution who warn against appeasement? How much of a lesson should we take from what happened to Lebanon when they let in millions of Muslim refugees, including Palestinians, from neighboring nations; who proceeded to plunge Lebanon into sectarian conflict, run out all the Jews and many of the Christians, and turn it into a failed state dominated by Iran and Syria for those nations interests.

[tony bagadonuts]

Expect the zionist lobby to go hard on passing hate speech laws where they can slip in anything they don't like as hate speech.

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You think the Holocaust is hilarious, fuck you. You're a legit terrible person.

[Kalam]

Anyways, I actually think Israel should make peace with its neighbors. But it it cant be unilateral. Those neighbors have to acknowledge Israel has a right to exist, negotiate real borders, and show a good faith commitment towards peaceful co-existence. And nothing suggests any of this is in the cards at all.

And at some point the rest of the world has to acknowledge they are part of the problem by bankrolling bad faith acting Palestinian actors, and turn off the terror tap.

[VaughnP]

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Zoomers.

[Orko]

Expect the zionist lobby to go hard on passing hate speech laws where they can slip in anything they don't like as hate speech.

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You think the Holocaust is hilarious, fuck you. You're a legit terrible person.

That's old news, there's genocide happening right now.
It's pretty sad what your people are doing to Ukraine and Russia.