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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Bill O'Reilly (lol) is claiming he has reliable info that Biden already agreed to step down as candidate, and the DNC is just coming up with the proper messaging and proper time to drop the news.

    Remember, they also have to deal with explaining to the American people why Biden is okay to remain President for 7 more months, but not okay to run again. Which is a tough sell in itself.

    Of course it's O'Reilly who has fallen from grace due to his sexual harassment firing, plus become unpopular in conservative circles for various reasons. So this very well just might be shit he's making up as a freeroll to be relevant again.
    Bill O'Reilly is known for refusing to publish news items that are not well vetted. He's a stickler for sourced material. When he gives inside information he is rarely wrong. But will admit when he is. I think he must have a credible source for this story. But we will see.

    The "unpopular in some conservative circles" comes from O'Reilly actually defending democrats. He said Dan Bongino was wrong in saying that all democrats want illegals to vote. O'Reilly said, no, only the woke democrats want illegals to vote, the moderate democrats don't. Bongino went nuclear on O'Reilly for saying that. So there is a fued there.

    Again, this is where O'Reilly doesn't like false stories or narratives no matter which side they are on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herbertstemple View Post
    Biden had a real bad night.

    That's all.

    2nd debate he will do better.

    The democrat party is run by women and weak men.

    Women and weak men panic easily.

    There is a huge aggressive panic happening, fueled by a party that has no backbone.

    Biden is not the problem.

    The democrat party is the problem.

    If the 2020 election hadn't been stolen, America would be in much better shape and the democrats would be almost shed of Donald Trump.

    But here we are.
    He has had a bad 4 years. He needs removed now. Globalists have been in charge of America and that needs ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by herbertstemple View Post
    Biden had a real bad night.

    That's all.

    2nd debate he will do better.

    The democrat party is run by women and weak men.

    Women and weak men panic easily.

    There is a huge aggressive panic happening, fueled by a party that has no backbone.

    Biden is not the problem.

    The democrat party is the problem.

    If the 2020 election hadn't been stolen, America would be in much better shape and the democrats would be almost shed of Donald Trump.

    But here we are.
    He has had a bad 4 years. He needs removed now. Globalists have been in charge of America and that needs ended.

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    I know people on the left are forming their dream tickets of this candidate, that candidate, etc.. to replace Biden.

    There are two scenarios: Keep Biden or go with Harris

    Let's just say they choose Newsome or Whitmer at the Convention. The backlash would be severe, the narrative would be the Dems don't trust the black woman VP to run the country, 'she must not be smart enough'. That is almost an insurmountable narrative.

    But let's say that happens. Despite what the left wing media says, 90% of the country does not pay attention to politics, at least the day to day stuff. After the convention to have 2 months to get national name recognition, and no money. You can't take the Biden war chest, that is only for Biden and Harris. Let's say you raised $100M in September, how would you spend it anyway, all the ad time would be bought up as soon as Biden left. Probably by the Trump campaign, certainly by local candidates.

    If this has occurred in March there would be enough time to plan this, but if anyone thinks you are going to take some obscure Governor, and they are all obscure outside their state, and mount a national campaign in two month you are just lying to yourself.

    If I am Biden, I dig in, and let this blow over. It will, the polls basically have not moved. If Trump can survive the Access Hollywood tape a month before the election in 2016, Biden can withstand this. Have a big convention you go into September probably effectively tied. The Dems will rally knowing Harris would take over anyway in 2025.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The "unpopular in some conservative circles" comes from O'Reilly actually defending democrats.

    he had it all. but he couldn't help but be a caricature a bad politician/pundit. he is a hypocrite. he lost his credibility. he should head to pasture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    I know people on the left are forming their dream tickets of this candidate, that candidate, etc.. to replace Biden.

    There are two scenarios: Keep Biden or go with Harris

    Let's just say they choose Newsome or Whitmer at the Convention. The backlash would be severe, the narrative would be the Dems don't trust the black woman VP to run the country, 'she must not be smart enough'. That is almost an insurmountable narrative.

    But let's say that happens. Despite what the left wing media says, 90% of the country does not pay attention to politics, at least the day to day stuff. After the convention to have 2 months to get national name recognition, and no money. You can't take the Biden war chest, that is only for Biden and Harris. Let's say you raised $100M in September, how would you spend it anyway, all the ad time would be bought up as soon as Biden left. Probably by the Trump campaign, certainly by local candidates.

    If this has occurred in March there would be enough time to plan this, but if anyone thinks you are going to take some obscure Governor, and they are all obscure outside their state, and mount a national campaign in two month you are just lying to yourself.

    If I am Biden, I dig in, and let this blow over. It will, the polls basically have not moved. If Trump can survive the Access Hollywood tape a month before the election in 2016, Biden can withstand this. Have a big convention you go into September probably effectively tied. The Dems will rally knowing Harris would take over anyway in 2025.

    If he stays its a new slogan

    “Team Biden”

    Elect the Biden team

    Something to that end. Convince the country that it takes a village and its far from just the guy at the top.

    I dont think its going to work, but its that or replace the VP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    I know people on the left are forming their dream tickets of this candidate, that candidate, etc.. to replace Biden.

    There are two scenarios: Keep Biden or go with Harris

    Let's just say they choose Newsome or Whitmer at the Convention. The backlash would be severe, the narrative would be the Dems don't trust the black woman VP to run the country, 'she must not be smart enough'. That is almost an insurmountable narrative.

    But let's say that happens. Despite what the left wing media says, 90% of the country does not pay attention to politics, at least the day to day stuff. After the convention to have 2 months to get national name recognition, and no money. You can't take the Biden war chest, that is only for Biden and Harris. Let's say you raised $100M in September, how would you spend it anyway, all the ad time would be bought up as soon as Biden left. Probably by the Trump campaign, certainly by local candidates.

    If this has occurred in March there would be enough time to plan this, but if anyone thinks you are going to take some obscure Governor, and they are all obscure outside their state, and mount a national campaign in two month you are just lying to yourself.

    If I am Biden, I dig in, and let this blow over. It will, the polls basically have not moved. If Trump can survive the Access Hollywood tape a month before the election in 2016, Biden can withstand this. Have a big convention you go into September probably effectively tied. The Dems will rally knowing Harris would take over anyway in 2025.

    If he stays its a new slogan

    “Team Biden”

    Elect the Biden team

    Something to that end. Convince the country that it takes a village and its far from just the guy at the top.

    I dont think its going to work, but its that or replace the VP.
    The worst slogan in the last 25 years was from Hillary Clinton: It takes a Village to Raise a child. It was universally panned by just about anyone who is a parent. So to use the village argument is likely a disaster. You vote for President, not the VP or the cabinet. They use Kamala as the backup as a selling point, it's a rout. You are effectively saying Biden is senile but don't worry about it, it will be ok. Not a good strategy imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    I know people on the left are forming their dream tickets of this candidate, that candidate, etc.. to replace Biden.

    There are two scenarios: Keep Biden or go with Harris

    Let's just say they choose Newsome or Whitmer at the Convention. The backlash would be severe, the narrative would be the Dems don't trust the black woman VP to run the country, 'she must not be smart enough'. That is almost an insurmountable narrative.

    But let's say that happens. Despite what the left wing media says, 90% of the country does not pay attention to politics, at least the day to day stuff. After the convention to have 2 months to get national name recognition, and no money. You can't take the Biden war chest, that is only for Biden and Harris. Let's say you raised $100M in September, how would you spend it anyway, all the ad time would be bought up as soon as Biden left. Probably by the Trump campaign, certainly by local candidates.

    If this has occurred in March there would be enough time to plan this, but if anyone thinks you are going to take some obscure Governor, and they are all obscure outside their state, and mount a national campaign in two month you are just lying to yourself.

    If I am Biden, I dig in, and let this blow over. It will, the polls basically have not moved. If Trump can survive the Access Hollywood tape a month before the election in 2016, Biden can withstand this. Have a big convention you go into September probably effectively tied. The Dems will rally knowing Harris would take over anyway in 2025.
    I found this shocking and there is always a lag in polling, so I need to see another week. Reality is we are more engaged than 99%. States like New Jersey drawing close is a red flag, but this race is over. I generally agree skipping a black candidate is dangerous unless you pick a more popular black candidate, but I am also of the opinion that when you're going to certainly lose, you still throw the Hail Mary and hope to get lucky. Keeping Biden is taking a knee while losing unless every single poll in every swing state has a 5 point Trump bias, which seems unlikely.

    Biden 2020 was second term Reagan. I could live with that. This is get lost on his way home Biden.

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    i think the scotus immunity ruling _could_ make people think twice about putting trump in a position of authority again.. or the reverse, of course.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    I know people on the left are forming their dream tickets of this candidate, that candidate, etc.. to replace Biden.

    There are two scenarios: Keep Biden or go with Harris

    Let's just say they choose Newsome or Whitmer at the Convention. The backlash would be severe, the narrative would be the Dems don't trust the black woman VP to run the country, 'she must not be smart enough'. That is almost an insurmountable narrative.

    But let's say that happens. Despite what the left wing media says, 90% of the country does not pay attention to politics, at least the day to day stuff. After the convention to have 2 months to get national name recognition, and no money. You can't take the Biden war chest, that is only for Biden and Harris. Let's say you raised $100M in September, how would you spend it anyway, all the ad time would be bought up as soon as Biden left. Probably by the Trump campaign, certainly by local candidates.

    If this has occurred in March there would be enough time to plan this, but if anyone thinks you are going to take some obscure Governor, and they are all obscure outside their state, and mount a national campaign in two month you are just lying to yourself.

    If I am Biden, I dig in, and let this blow over. It will, the polls basically have not moved. If Trump can survive the Access Hollywood tape a month before the election in 2016, Biden can withstand this. Have a big convention you go into September probably effectively tied. The Dems will rally knowing Harris would take over anyway in 2025.
    I found this shocking and there is always a lag in polling, so I need to see another week. Reality is we are more engaged than 99%. States like New Jersey drawing close is a red flag, but this race is over. I generally agree skipping a black candidate is dangerous unless you pick a more popular black candidate, but I am also of the opinion that when you're going to certainly lose, you still throw the Hail Mary and hope to get lucky. Keeping Biden is taking a knee while losing unless every single poll in every swing state has a 5 point Trump bias, which seems unlikely.

    Biden 2020 was second term Reagan. I could live with that. This is get lost on his way home Biden.
    Yeah, that is easy to say, but to jettison the first female black VP can backfire to the point you just disenfranchise your black female base, which really is the core of the Democratic party. There is no other way to spin it, to put a white person in would be saying to the world, the black lady second in line is simply not smart enough for the job. I see a lot of pundits talking Gavin Newsome and Gretchen Whitmer as top of the ticket. All the pundits are white though. When you think about it, Gretchen Whitmer would actually be much worse than Newsome, I mean could you imagine that look at the convention while Kamala Harris is on a place back to California? This white lady is better and smarter than that black lady? Yeah a train wreck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post

    I found this shocking and there is always a lag in polling, so I need to see another week. Reality is we are more engaged than 99%. States like New Jersey drawing close is a red flag, but this race is over. I generally agree skipping a black candidate is dangerous unless you pick a more popular black candidate, but I am also of the opinion that when you're going to certainly lose, you still throw the Hail Mary and hope to get lucky. Keeping Biden is taking a knee while losing unless every single poll in every swing state has a 5 point Trump bias, which seems unlikely.

    Biden 2020 was second term Reagan. I could live with that. This is get lost on his way home Biden.
    Yeah, that is easy to say, but to jettison the first female black VP can backfire to the point you just disenfranchise your black female base, which really is the core of the Democratic party. There is no other way to spin it, to put a white person in would be saying to the world, the black lady second in line is simply not smart enough for the job. I see a lot of pundits talking Gavin Newsome and Gretchen Whitmer as top of the ticket. All the pundits are white though. When you think about it, Gretchen Whitmer would actually be much worse than Newsome, I mean could you imagine that look at the convention while Kamala Harris is on a place back to California? This white lady is better and smarter than that black lady? Yeah a train wreck.
    I’m not sure how popular Harris even is with black women? Doesn’t seem very. All the talked about replacements fare worse than Biden, so they are probably going to have to take the L and move forward short of Michelle Obama riding in.

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    The amusing part above is all these posters are White Middle Aged American Men lmao....



    Interesting the views they have toward Black Lives and the like



    (Krypt is Middle Easter or Persian something like that, so don't count)

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    i'm at a loss re the rhetoric that michelle obama would do well. i genuinely do not believe so. i think it is just blather the media wants so they say it over and over. she's no oprah. she's actually a liability imo. time will tell i suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
    i'm at a loss re the rhetoric that michelle obama would do well. i genuinely do not believe so. i think it is just blather the media wants so they say it over and over. she's no oprah. she's actually a liability imo. time will tell i suppose.
    In March a poll came out saying Trump was ahead of Big Mike 50-43. I doubt much has changed. If does not matter, Big Mike has said she is not interested.

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    I already had a pretty dim view of the arc of American democracy but I gotta say I’m stunned.

    Looks like my read was completely wrong. Go get ‘em Binden. Big dog.

    I now have a better understanding why Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Gates and Sonatine were constructing Apocolypse bunkers.

    This is off the rails

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    The get out of jail card for presidents offered up by the supreme court will be reversed.
    As importantly, the actions of this court will be redefined. The “only rich need apply” American political system has infected every aspect of this society. Your highest judiciary has now bowed down.

    Appointments for life, no more. Appointments from political leaders, no more

    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I already had a pretty dim view of the arc of American democracy but I gotta say I’m stunned.

    Looks like my read was completely wrong. Go get ‘em Binden. Big dog.

    I now have a better understanding why Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Gates and Sonatine were constructing Apocolypse bunkers.

    This is off the rails

    and because the left has a dissenting fetish and refuses to play by the same rules as the conservatives, biden will refuse to issue an executive order forbidding felons from running for election because it would be impolite. better to just dissent, and then hand out free t-shirts with 'i dissent' on them. that'll teach those nasty conservatives a thing or two. something something alley cats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I already had a pretty dim view of the arc of American democracy but I gotta say I’m stunned.

    Looks like my read was completely wrong. Go get ‘em Binden. Big dog.

    I now have a better understanding why Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Gates and Sonatine were constructing Apocolypse bunkers.

    This is off the rails

    and because the left has a dissenting fetish and refuses to play by the same rules as the conservatives, biden will refuse to issue an executive order forbidding felons from running for election because it would be impolite. better to just dissent, and then hand out free t-shirts with 'i dissent' on them. that'll teach those nasty conservatives a thing or two. something something alley cats.
    They have both been playing by rules that at worst puts them in the role of the official opposition.
    ThatÂ’s still a lucrative role

    Then there is the non separation of church and state.
    It was just decreed by a former used car salesman turned politician that the ten commandments be a fixture in Virginia? elementary schools

    Anyone here who thinks the special nine, appointed by politicians, should dictate your rights concerning reproduction, raise a hand.
    Anyone here who thinks the special nine, appointed by politicians, determine those politicians are now above the law raise a hand

    They have rendered the highest court irrelevant
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