Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
There really needs to be a proper separation between those who hung out with Epstein, or even visited his island, and those perverts who went there to have sex with underage girls.

I'm sure there were a lot of island visitors who went there just because Epstein invited them and was seen as a rich, influential person, but had no interest in having any kind of illegal sex there. This is especially true of the women. Look how many of them are on the list. Do you really believe that these women went there to either have sex with underage girls, or help Epstein find them? Highly doubtful.

The bottom line is that Bill Clinton is believed to have had a very close association with Epstein, and visited the island many times. There was even that bizarre painting of Clinton in a dress sitting in Epstein's house. Clinton's association with him definitely needs close scrutiny and investigation.

With Trump, it seems more likely that it was a fairly brief friendship between two rich guys who liked to party. It is reported that, upon realizing that Epstein was into underage girls, Trump distanced himself from him. Just doesn't seem like Trump was into that whole scene Epstein established, and backed away from the guy when he realized what it was really about. Bill Clinton... that seems to be a very different story.

Hillary probably knows the truth, but doesn't give a shit. Her entire life has been a pursuit of political power. She's known since the '70s that Bill cheats on her, but she doesn't care. She wanted to maintain the political power couple, and everything else was secondary. It would not surprise me at all if she looked the other way while Bill molested underage girls on the island, provided the association with Epstein benefited them somehow. Recall Juanita Broddrick's story that, a few months after Bill raped her and injured her face, she saw Hillary at a party. Hillary approached her and thanked her for "all you've done for Bill", which was code for thanking her for keeping her mouth shut at the time.
Meh. Remember, Trump was a neoliberal east coast elite Democrat most of this life, and very late reinvented himself as a Republican populist. Frankly, given Trump's proclivities and the circles he ran in, it would have been a shock if he wasn't a frequent name on Epstein's logs. My understanding is the Trump and Epstein fallout was due to Trump backstabbing him on a business deals, which again is very believable given Trump's extensive history as a white collar criminal and backstabbing.

I mean, if you think Trump is a better candidate than Biden for 2024, then it is your prerogative. But you shouldn't delude yourself that for most of his life Trump was a neoliberal elite Democrat (and a conman/white collar criminal) who ran in the same circles with guys like Epstein and the Clintons. And again, it would be a surprise if he never got a underage "massage" through Epstein.