This fucking guy.
This fucking guy.
Quick update on SlotLady/Victor..
-Moved back to Canada.
-Sarah nowhere to be seen for some time.
-Victor says it’s not about the money, he wanted the ability to gamble online and live. Says he can’t in Nevada.
-Streams briefly online in Canada then has two live chats without BotLady. Says he can’t stream because of limits in Canada.
And he buys in a few nights ago for $430 bucks at El Cortez. Doesn’t take a genius to connect these dots. Hey “ACA” can you ever stop lying to your audience?
Here’s a video to both Credit EZ and for anyone who wants to catch up.
Quick update on this JizzRag. He is playing funny money on My Bookie. Encouraging people to bet behind. He claims he built up 400K from 10K. Just a lying sack of dogshit. Just s conman/scammer who lies though his fucking ass.
Here’s the previous 2 videos by EZ that cover that rotting cesspool that is the YouTube Slot Community.
Cliffs : This is a machine that you collect wilds and they have to hit at a certain point. Matt gets into this machine for….over 300K at about $1125 a spin! I’ve had some 5K losses in my day. I’ve seen my friend lose 140K on mostly tables. But I have never seen anything like this.
Matt talks about how as the wilds are approaching a “must hit” he expects to hit a bonus and get a certain amount back. That comes true for the most part but, I won’t spoil anything else.
First of all…fucking crazy video. This guy really does walks the walk. But I’m hoping someone with slot knowledge can explain something to me. Obviously you need to be doing this with other people. As you are upside down in the machine and it’s reaching its “must hit” and you run out of money to feed the thing…you obviously need to somehow keep control of the machine.
But what if Matt does run out of dough and it’s going to take some time? Let’s say he’s not a YouTuber and just some whale feeding the machine. Then some other whale says I have the money and want to play. How long can someone hold the machine without playing it? That seems like it can run into some major problems. Not to mention if it’s supposed to hit at 100 I’m guessing it can just be stuck on 99 for an eternity.
Matt made millions from Multi Level Marketing. He probably has a massive line of credit from the casino he can tap into. And he can reserve the machine if he wants to. I was just in Vegas and saw some machines reserved.Originally Posted by JeffDime
@banana makes sense. I’ve spent some time in the high limit slot area and just never seen a slot reserved. But it does makes sense. So if Matt runs out of credit and dough at midnight and needs to go to the bank in the morning….you think they will not allow anyone to play this machine for hours without someone having to protect it? If so that’s pretty interesting.
I would think regardless how rich Matt is and some point he is going to have to go to the bank if the machine just keeps eating his coin up like that. I would think at some point there is a limit to his markers.
Yeah, def a crazy video Jeff. Matt must be medium hella-rich. I've seen casinos with folks having 1/100th the wealth of Matt being allowed up to 24 hours to put machines on reserve (it really is casino specific). I think this was the Venetian and they probably would never leave him screwed if they understood he just needs time to get some cash...he's a whale in their eyes.
I really think he may have thought this was a Plus EV play or at least close enough to breakeven that with the views it would garner it may become +EV. It it was clearly no where near EV alone, I can matter-of-factly say that from experience playing Regal.
Casinos will reserve slots. Resorts world does it often, which is one of his favorite spots. He's a nice guy in person.
Strictly speaking, probably not for, 'Eternity,' and I have never observed a (MUCH lower denomination) Regal Riches to deliberately avoid dropping the symbols just because the MH is close---which is to say that, in my experience, they seem to appear with roughly the same frequency regardless of where the meter for that particular symbol is at.
As to your question of running out of money, there are a few sort of general rules of thumb:
1.) Know how much you could even conceivably need for a play and consider, "Slow spinning," just to hold the machine until all the money is arranged. The last thing that you would ever want to do is go El Busto after turning something into a much better play for the next person.
2.) This probably doesn't need to be said, but for something like this, most people would need to be on some sort of team or have known and extremely trusted people with whom they could pool bankroll and share in the win/loss proportionately to the contribution. The VAST majority of people could not weather the potential downside of soloing a play such as this, regardless of how tempting splitting the profits one way might be.
3.) I'd hate to explain this to the IRS in an attempt to offset W2-G wins with losses for the purposes of taxable income. I hope he keeps amazing records. If he is actually paying the taxes on stuff like this, then it would have to be incredibly +EV to even be playable, of course, I'm sure he's getting plenty of Free Play, and what not, on the backend.
HOLDING MACHINES:
1.) The easiest way to hold the machine is to actually be playing it. If you're calling someone in to take something (obviously, I wouldn't have the roll for something like this), then you're probably making some sort of arrangement to sell them the machine that would include that they cover your losses, dollar-for-dollar, of you making a spin at the lowest bet every two or five minutes...unless you profit, in which case, they just pay you for the seat.
Generally speaking, if you pop the thing while waiting for the person and slow spinning (and you would ALWAYS profit if you did, because of how slowly you're spinning) then there's usually some agreed upon split with the person you agreed to sell the machine to getting some kind of percentage of the profit.
That's for the prospect of continued business. Could you imagine if someone was on the earliest plane they could get to you, or halfway on a six hour drive, then you just happened to hit the damn thing and took off? Send a text, "Sorry about your luck!" Nah. Usually, you would have already agreed to give them something like 25% of profits if you somehow fluked into hitting it.
2.) Depending on tier level and casino, some casinos are willing to shut a machine off for a period of a few hours if you need to get more money. If you've ever seen a machine (even something like a 5k or 10k must-hit) shut off, but then you come back later, someone is playing it and the number is decent, then that's probably what happened. The policies of individual casinos will vary.
3.) As far as, "How long can they?", technically, there's nothing that says a casino can't order you off of a machine that you're actively playing---at least not generally. I wouldn't be shocked if, at least once, some AP has known one of the slot attendants, used the slot attendant to get a recreational player off (claiming something had to be done with the machine), then the AP gets on, hits it, and throws the attendant a percentage (after shift) or perhaps some agreed upon low fixed amount, $100, whatever.
4.) Whatever the situation, I would just recommend having enough to slow-spin (one spin every couple minutes while mostly messing on your phone) just so you can make a reasonable claim that you're playing. If you're camping on a machine, not playing, and it's more than a few minutes...AND YOU HAVE NO MONEY ON IT...then casino staff is probably going to be asking you to give up the seat. If you have money on it and can at least claim to be playing, then this is less likely. If you are actually playing, albeit extremely slowly, then less likely.
Don't Tread on Anyone, mothafucka!
"Nowhere near?"Yeah, def a crazy video Jeff. Matt must be medium hella-rich. I've seen casinos with folks having 1/100th the wealth of Matt being allowed up to 24 hours to put machines on reserve (it really is casino specific). I think this was the Venetian and they probably would never leave him screwed if they understood he just needs time to get some cash...he's a whale in their eyes.
I really think he may have thought this was a Plus EV play or at least close enough to breakeven that with the views it would garner it may become +EV. It it was clearly no where near EV alone, I can matter-of-factly say that from experience playing Regal.
Shit, that's charitable. I had originally skipped to the end of the video. Had I not, I wouldn't have known if he was playing for Green or Purple...and both were awful!
He pretty much did EXACTLY what the casino/manufacturer/designer intended, which is got married to chasing a Must-Hit Free Spins that were awful to begin with.
Don't Tread on Anyone, mothafucka!
Matt has a method to his madness. He's often firing +EV opportunities or ones that are slightly -EV but will play well on video. Sometimes he will play big -EV games if he feels it will benefit the channel. He explained a lot of this on the radio interview we did.
It's actually a smart operation, legitimately playing slot machines, showing losing session as well as winners, but also playing in enough good spots to where you don't lose that much while building your channel.
This separates him from many of the other slot YouTubers who have no knowledge and just fire, and often eat up their channel profits with slot losses.
I'm skeptical, at best. From what I can tell, he can piss a six figure loss as long as he doesn't do it too often. I'll agree with your first sentence in general (and also haven't watched many of his videos), but this was more than, 'Slightly -EV.' The game state was strictly terrible.
To be clear: I'm also not casting aspersions. Matt can lose more in an hour than I'm worth and think nothing of it. I'm just a low-level machine hustler and gambling writer. Online stuff, also, when they're not banning my ass.
Don't Tread on Anyone, mothafucka!
I have watched quite a few of those videos Matt has put out. I'm kinda confused by him. I think he's going to have to pull it back if he doesn't start off in better +EV situations and plays high like that again. It's funny, because he plays tons of games that AP's would play. But he almost NEVER starts them in near-POSITIVE EV territory! Mission is correct, he's not making AP moves.I'm skeptical, at best. From what I can tell, he can piss a six figure loss as long as he doesn't do it too often. I'll agree with your first sentence in general (and also haven't watched many of his videos), but this was more than, 'Slightly -EV.' The game state was strictly terrible.
To be clear: I'm also not casting aspersions. Matt can lose more in an hour than I'm worth and think nothing of it. I'm just a low-level machine hustler and gambling writer. Online stuff, also, when they're not banning my ass.
I don't know what was going through his mind playing that Regal on Sep 5. Dopamine burst?! Minus $150,000 would probably be an average estimate of an AP there (playing it thru the GREEN @ 100)!!!
And there may be something worse lurking with Matt: his MLM background (where he supposedly made most or all of his $$$).
I know he's a friend of the show, Druff, but if his background is MLM, you just know his $$$ came from tossed away corpses on his downline (probably with $1000's of unsold over-priced inventory still in their collective garages). I WANT to like Matt...
According to Social Blade, I see Matt's channel DID get a bump up in views and subs on Sep 5 and 6. So the long game is in play here (Matt's a marketer, he probably thought this was slightly neg. EV and the bump in viewership was worth it).
He also said in a subsequent video he did NOT have all of the action here.
Thanks for the compliment in the upvote; I'm hardly a pro. I spend just enough time in land casinos to stay basically current on what the plays are. Between PA Skill Games and online casinos, I have little want or need to go into land casinos too often; I also care very little about money.I have watched quite a few of those videos Matt has put out. I'm kinda confused by him. I think he's going to have to pull it back if he doesn't start off in better +EV situations and plays high like that again. It's funny, because he plays tons of games that AP's would play. But he almost NEVER starts them in near-POSITIVE EV territory! Mission is correct, he's not making AP moves.
I don't know what was going through his mind playing that Regal on Sep 5. Dopamine burst?! Minus $150,000 would probably be an average estimate of an AP there (playing it thru the GREEN @ 100)!!!
And there may be something worse lurking with Matt: his MLM background (where he supposedly made most or all of his $$$).
I know he's a friend of the show, Druff, but if his background is MLM, you just know his $$$ came from tossed away corpses on his downline (probably with $1000's of unsold over-priced inventory still in their collective garages). I WANT to like Matt...
MLM!!!??? I'll be goddamned. I actually wrote an article about MLM:
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/the-mlm-gamble/
I can empathize that he wouldn't sweat losses too much. It's the losing that angers me, not the money; I couldn't give two shits about money.
I would suggest that, he as some MLM guy, and with me as a gambling writer and AP, one quality the two of share is that we don't really earn or truly deserve anything we make. As long as the losing itself doesn't tilt him, it makes total sense that he could drop six figures and not give a shit because he didn't actually work for any of that money anyway.
I can also understand wanting to like him; he's almost certainly likable. You have to have some kind of personality if you're going to convince people of riches that will generally never come to fruition and success that is abjectly remote in probability if you're going to get people on your downline. Otherwise, it's really tough to convince people to, effectively, work for less than minimum wage, on average.
Don't Tread on Anyone, mothafucka!
I don't know much about that particular machine Matt was playing.
I'm just saying there's no way the dude was just degening off.
I do not have any "inside info" on what he did here, and if I did, I would not reveal it unless I was told I could. I'm don't want to betray anyone's trust.
Off the top of my head, there are various ways one can play -EV slots (even bad -EV slots) and still make a profit in the long run:
- Intentional -EV action in order to get comps later -- sometimes exceeding the expected loss
- Back-end play to keep the comp train going, if one is getting a lot of high level comps and wants them to continue
- Loss rebate deals with the casino (ever wonder why SlotLady loved El Cortez so much?)
- Cover for other big advantage play opportunities at the casino
- Publicity stunt for YouTube
As I said, I don't know the deal with that particular video, but you can do these slot YouTube channels the smart way (utilizing stuff like above), or you can do them the dumb way and just play and record without any real direction. Vegas Matt does things the smart way.
I will say that it's refreshing that he does not posture as a big winner, and shows the ugly sessions like the -$147k we saw above. Many YouTubers would just quietly discard the video, planning to only keep it if they won (or at least could fake having won).
I don't know what he has going on the backend and I am not claiming that it's nothing. I'm just saying that the play, in and of itself, was objectively terrible.
-I imagine that he gets comps for that kind of action. I didn't count the number of spins and nor do I know the base expected return of the machine, much less the expected return from the state he started play, so it is possible...though seems unlikely...that comps alone would cover for that sort of expected loss. I also don't know how much action he has to put in to maintain those comps, but assuming he has already put in that action (or will put in that action in the future anyway), then there really doesn't seem like any great need to play that specific game, in that specific state, at that specific bet amount.
*On the other hand, it could be that he already used his card that day and wants to maintain ADT or perhaps needs to make up for a light ADT day. Neither of us can know, and even if you did know, you couldn't say.
*All I am saying is the machine state was awful. I'm not trying to make Matt out to be an idiot; I just don't want anyone here watching that video and thinking that setup is even borderline playable on its own.
-I inadvertently also covered this point above.
-Loss rebate is possible. I will say that loss rebates add significantly to the expected value of an overall play, but it's always better to just win instead. If you do want to take some huge shots to try to get to your optimal STOP WIN on a loss rebate sort of deal, then Regal Riches (in that state) is one of the worst ways you can do that.********** The way Regal Riches plays out is both repetitive and predictable. It's like Hexbreaker. Unless bottom is good or one of the MH numbers are good, then the machine kicks the shit out of you until you maybe make it back by finally hitting the bonus that you knew would eventually come; that's what makes the machine beatable...if you have good numbers.
*So, if loss rebate, then my recommendation would be to play almost anything else. Even with a loss rebate, you still don't want to lose you just realize your EV when you do lose, but winning is still better. As far as his Regal Riches play went, that's pretty much textbook how that's going to go if you take numbers like that. Just because you have a loss rebate does not making losing a desirable outcome.
-That's an outside possibility. By doing it on a machine such as Regal Riches, it shows that he plays Regal Riches (and other variable-state games) which would justify being on them when they are positive. That said, you'd still never play Regal Riches in that state if this is your only reason for doing so, but it might combine with other reasons mentioned and addressed above.
-Seems highly likely. It's certainly going to take awhile to realize that expected loss by way of Youtube revenues, but it could be the long game.
I do like the channels that show the losses; NJ Slots Guy is another good example, though he does not even attempt to AP and most of what he plays can't even be played in a positive state...some things theoretically could but usually not.
***Anyway, I'm sure he was playing that for some combination of the above. There's no world where he's not getting comps and free play, obviously. All I am saying is that everyone should know that machine is not even in sniffing distance of being a play by itself and it would take one hell of a combination of the above factors to ever justify playing that game in that poor of game state. In terms of average EV per spin, I obviously can't know, but I wouldn't be shocked if he was getting his money in worse than most of the other high-limit shit on the floor that doesn't have a variable-state element.
**********ADDED: I can think of one possible exception to that, but having rewatched the end of the video, it doesn't look like he was doing that exception.
Don't Tread on Anyone, mothafucka!
Druff,
I'm listening to the VegasMatt segment of your radio show right now.
1.) I don't know that people who only post winning slot sessions are automatically a, 'Problem.' I would certainly prefer that all channels show wins AND losses, but as long the slot play itself is legitimate...which goes further than just being on a slot machine in a casino, but as EZLife also alluded to, the wins and losses actually being real, I don't think they're in a moral black, or even gray, area. People trying to sell, "Winning slot systems," is a whole different story, but if you have someone whose entire angle is just playing slots, then I don't think they're automatically doing anything untoward by only posting winning sessions if those are what they want to post.
I guess you could say that it's, 'Dishonest' to only show winners, but as long as that is ALL the person is doing, then I'd call, 'Dishonest' a slight overstatement.
I would also say that it's somewhat for the individuals watching to make the logical conclusion that the casinos wouldn't exist if all anyone ever did is win. There are even innumerable AP opportunities where you lose money more often than you win it, in terms of frequency. It's just that when you do win, you absolutely kill, so the EV makes up for it and the results pan out in the long run. Think of it like a single-zero Roulette wheel, except I am going to pay you 38-FOR-1 if you hit on an individual number; the problem is that I'm only going to allow you to bet one number every day, one time. Over a period of many years, you would eventually show profitable, or you could hit the very first number and never look back in terms of net profitability.
Other opportunities, to stay with the analogy, are like if I said you could bet on either red or black every day, but I'm going to pay you 1.2 FOR 1 if your color hits. You're going to show profitable much more quickly, but if I restrict you to the same bet amount on both things, then your potential upside is much lower with the red/black example, at least, per individual instance.
2. Calling DLucky a, "Slot Youtuber," is an insult to even the shadiest slot Youtubers. DLucky is patently a piece of shit.
3. (1:23:00) Yes. That's why I say they are not being, 'Dishonest,' which I would use if they were misrepresenting or outright lying; not specifically revealing the entire truth (i.e. wins/losses, net losses) doesn't exactly rise to the level of dishonesty. For a bit of an example, if I had a Youtube channel called, "Only Big Wins," then showing losing sessions wouldn't make any sense.
4. I don't have much of a problem with Sarah doing things the way she did. There were simps out there to be exploited and she exploited them. Don't give money to random Youtube content creators and they won't have that problem; I'd consider the fundamental responsibility to compensate YouTube creators Youtube's business, not mine. For one thing, I don't know that she ever directly claimed to be on the market.
5. I can understand, appreciate and agree with why you defend VegasMatt's approach to YouTube; NJ Slots Guy does the exact same thing. I'd recommend both for forthright presentation of real high-limit casino play.
6. Matt has a very chill-sounding and laid-back delivery while also presenting great confidence; his personality is pretty much what I expected it to be from hearing he did MLM. His voice also just sings positivity. He would be good in virtually any sales/marketing role.
7. As you can see from 1:35:30, even they withhold some potential content. True honesty, as you used the word, would also include posting content where you are just getting absolutely slaughtered and are in a terrible mood. Even AP content would have that sometimes, perhaps even worse, because APs (who aren't counting on backend) are playing with the actual expectation of profit...unless they're testing something, or whatever.
8. Love the false humility at 1:36:00---2,000 Live viewers on Twitch is fucking phenomenal numbers; he portrayed it as "We're not big, or whatever." LOL
9. He's either not as big on +EV plays as you seem to be making him out to be or not particularly inclined to go into specifics on it. At the same time, if he's playing high stakes every day and only dropping something like 4k to 9k in a mean average month, then there's no question that the Youtube revenue alone more than makes up for it. I also don't know if he is implying that those losses are ONLY the losses on actual play or is also including backend revenues in those loss totals.
10. Yup. If you're going to be a gambling addict, then you might as well monetize it. He'd just better hope all of those other probable addicts that he sees every day don't decide to do the same and create competition for him.
***Overall, the interview is solid enough. I'd have asked some more pointed and direct questions that, if the answer was basically, 'Yes,' he probably would have refused to answer (re: plays and backend), but I suppose you might not have all of the information to ask such questions or perhaps simply did not want to press him too hard.
Don't Tread on Anyone, mothafucka!
Did anyone else notice in their latest community post, they're always "in the middle" of something when youtube members ask why they're being billed for no content? In response to one person, they're in the middle of moving. To another they're in the middle of traveling. To a third they're in the middle of setting up an office. Even their lies and attempts to deflect are lazy. Where are all those "awesome livestreams and videos" that were promised "in the next few days" 10 days ago? Just pay your money and shut up!
And speaking of them putting in zero effort, check out the thumbnail for their latest video ("GOT MY MONEY BACK")! It shows a different poker game and a different winning hand than the one in the actual video. Was Victor too lazy to take a picture of the actual game he played and just recycled an old thumbnail? Just wow.
Why would anyone give these two scammers money when there are so many other good gambling channels out there?
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