Left-leaning people, who tend to be better educated, are more likely to question sources...including the ones they prefer.Originally Posted by devidee
In the meantime, the Evangelical Right (who trends more poorly educated) tends to prefer, and trust, echo chambers who exist by parroting the things that they want to hear...whether or not those things are actually true.
Color me shocked.
ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSLSD are considered legitimate news sources by a wide variety of retarded people and because of it they are in a position to cause great harm to the American people.I don't think it's a First Amendment question (in response to Mickey).
The difference is that the company can demonstrate damages based upon a lie perpetrated by a news outlet.
If the First Amendment were absolute, then one effect of that is committing slander would be literally impossible. You could say whatever you want about whoever you want, regardless of your station.
It's reputation damage to a business that constitutes slander and probably tortious interference with economic advantage, as well.
Also, all the hosts really need do is throw words out such as, "I think," or, "In my opinion," and just preface the hell out of the statements that they KNOW are lies anyway. If they had just done that, then they would probably be legally in the clear as Dominion wouldn't have had a cause of action or any legal mechanism to get to the texts (and other stuff) proving that Fox knew they were lying.
Fox is also considered a legitimate news source by a wide variety of retarded people, but because of that, they are in a position to cause great financial harm to any number of companies. With that, they either need to know they are telling the truth or disclaim statements of opinion (or known falsehoods) every fucking time. That's Journalism 101, retards.
The best appellate lawyer in the country, Alan Dershowitz, says a judgement for the plaintiffs, even if it had to go all the way to SCOTUS, would never stand up on appeal.
Besides being the best appellate lawyer in the country he's also a Biden liberal. The difference between Dershowitz and the rest is he doesn't change his legals opinions based on politics.
Biased legal opinions by biased lawyers are listened to by a wide variety of retarded liberals. That's why liberals are so retarded.
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Maybe they should hire pedo Dershowitz as they're facing even bigger lawsuits for propagating the lies that feed your anger.ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSLSD are considered legitimate news sources by a wide variety of retarded people and because of it they are in a position to cause great harm to the American people.
The best appellate lawyer in the country, Alan Dershowitz, says a judgement for the plaintiffs, even if it had to go all the way to SCOTUS, would never stand up on appeal.
Besides being the best appellate lawyer in the country he's also a Biden liberal. The difference between Dershowitz and the rest is he doesn't change his legals opinions based on politics.
Biased legal opinions by biased lawyers are listened to by a wide variety of retarded liberals. That's why liberals are so retarded.
Gonna have to cut some more checks to stay on the flop house motel circuit!
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I agree that those others you listed are considered legitimate news sources by a wide variety of retarded people. As far as causing harm to the American people, it's legally immaterial as long as they aren't going after a particular person, or company, with lies that they KNOW are lies...present those lies as fact...and then the person or company suffers economical damage.ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSLSD are considered legitimate news sources by a wide variety of retarded people and because of it they are in a position to cause great harm to the American people.
The best appellate lawyer in the country, Alan Dershowitz, says a judgement for the plaintiffs, even if it had to go all the way to SCOTUS, would never stand up on appeal.
Besides being the best appellate lawyer in the country he's also a Biden liberal. The difference between Dershowitz and the rest is he doesn't change his legals opinions based on politics.
Biased legal opinions by biased lawyers are listened to by a wide variety of retarded liberals. That's why liberals are so retarded.
Of course, I totally get that Fox News makes its money by telling people what they want to hear. At the same time, if they qualified their statements, just a little bit, then there wouldn't have been a legal cause of action and they could have retained their viewership as well as the money that they're paying to settle.
I suppose the Dershowitz thing would be good news if that was at all relevant. Fox settled. Whatever their reasoning for that might have been, one must conclude that they didn't want there to be a trial, in the best case scenario, even if they thought they were going to win. With that, Dershowitz talking about how a judgment would not survive on appeal is irrelevant if you're trying to avoid a trial that would result in, ironically enough, information potentially coming to light that you do not want the public to know.
Devidee,
No, but I chew Copenhagen. Does that count?
Let be honest what this is really about. They want Tucker off the air, if it wasn't for him they could have the whole country "supporting Ukraine".
Now comes Smartmatic wanting billions and then the investors. FOX needs to quit being pussies, hire some hackers to prove how easy it is to rig elections.
Can someone give me a reason why we shouldn't have a paper trail.
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CBS did a piece on how easy it was to hack those voting machines. There's only one reason to have voting machines w/ no paper trail, one reason!.
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The problem with Dominion's case is there has to be malice and there wasn't any there. At least that's how it was supposed to be. Fox didn't get in trouble because their talk show hosts were saying Dominion's voting machines were crooked. They got in trouble for allowing others to come on their shows and say Dominion was crooked. Do you know what that's going to do to news media? Everyone will be scared shitless to bring anyone on.
The bar has now been lowered. Do you know how many lawsuits this is going to create? FNC represents just a small fraction of the news media. The media is protected by corrupt judges and juries in blue states but this new standard is going to hit liberal media hard in red states where cases are winnable. The libs will only have themselves to blame.
I'll tell you exactly why FNC settled.
But first what is hilarious is the thread starter, Bart Hanson, came on with the "SEE THAT YOU CUCKS!!! 767 BILLION!!!!! THAT'S 767 BILLION!!! FNC TOOK IT UP THE ASS AND YOU CUCKS KNOW IT!!!!"
A long suffering and insufferable liberal, Bart was giddy with joy at the news. LMAO! What an idiot.
Okay, so why did FNC settle? No brainer. To quickly get it out of the news cycle for cheap. How cheap? Dominion's case was for the equivalent of about 4 weeks of revenue for FNC. They settled for about 2 weeks of revenue.
That's big big big big money to Bart Hanson. But it's chickenfeed to FNC.
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Tucker hits it out of the park. Say what you will about FOX just remember the other networks are vastly more evil.
The other networks sell their viewers dangerous drugs, so much so in the last 20 years opiate deaths among people over 65 have quadrupled.
Almost all of it prescribed by a doctor, not Mexico or China, sorry wingnuts.
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Tucker Carlson and Fox News literally won a court case by arguing in court that no logical person would actually believe the shit they say on the air. If you're stupid enough to watch and believe the shit they spew after that? There's no helping your ass.
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During the court proceeding, Maddow’s attorney argued that her show was one of “quintessential statements of rhetorical hyperbole, incapable of being proved true or false.”we don't see the news, only what the cia wants the left or right wing extremists to hear and seeThe judge first said:
“Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news,” the opinion said. “The point of Maddow’s show is for her to provide the news but also to offer her opinions as to that news. Therefore, the Court finds that a reasonable viewer would not conclude that the contested statement implies an assertion of objective fact.”
Left leaning people do not question sources, in most cases. That's how we end up with the idiotic groupthink which has shaped a lot of today's society.Left-leaning people, who tend to be better educated, are more likely to question sources...including the ones they prefer.
In the meantime, the Evangelical Right (who trends more poorly educated) tends to prefer, and trust, echo chambers who exist by parroting the things that they want to hear...whether or not those things are actually true.
Color me shocked.
If you don't believe me, remember when this guy was judged as credible by nearly everyone on the left, including our sitting VP?
His lies were obvious from the moment this story was reported, yet everyone on the left was fawning over him. That should make you question the critical thinking skills of your own side.
lol imagine them saying this unironicallyLeft leaning people do not question sources, in most cases. That's how we end up with the idiotic groupthink which has shaped a lot of today's society.
If you don't believe me, remember when this guy was judged as credible by nearly everyone on the left, including our sitting VP?
His lies were obvious from the moment this story was reported, yet everyone on the left was fawning over him. That should make you question the critical thinking skills of your own side.
they are detached from reality
Libs owning Trump, now Fox News, Team Retard in full meltdown. All is right with the world.
The problem with Fox's case is they settled, which makes the perceived problems you have with Dominion's case irrelevant.
Basically, what you're saying is that Fox should be free and clear because they brought guests on to do the lying for them. I'm a big First Amendment guy, absolutely, but you're literally defending that the press should have the opportunity to knowingly lie to the American people on FA grounds. I'm not certain that's what the framers had in mind.
More than lying to the American people, lying to the American people about the integrity of elections. Also, states that don't use Dominion (or the other) voting systems also must have been in on it. You get that? All fifty states in on the fix. Every single one of them. Why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_U...ntial_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U...ntial_election
Granted, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein not running had something to do with it, but in EVERY. SINGLE. GODDAMN. STATE. Biden got a greater percentage of the vote in 2020 as compared to Clinton in 2016. Most states that Trump won, he did so by smaller margins than were the case in 2016.
So, what case are you making? That every state is lying---including deeply red states that should WANT Trump to win? If we accept both:
1.) Biden got a greater vote share than Clinton...which makes sense for at least four reasons, including:
1a.) He was more popular than Clinton and had a better net favorability rating.
1b.) The absence of any significant third-party candidates.
1c.) The result basically aligns with the polls (not a huge miss).
1d.) The Left were more determined to cast a vote FOR TRUMP TO LOSE than they were last time around. They weren't voting for Biden; they were voting against Trump.
2.) In most states, including those Trump won, Biden made gains in % difference compared to Clinton.
Accepting those two things as true, then the result makes absolute sense. Again, you would need all fifty states in on the fix.
For example, Trump won Montana by more than 20% in 2016. In 2020, he won Montana by 16.37%. Are you going to tell me Montana lied about the results to Trump's detriment? Why would Montana do that?
Looking at a swing state, Trump won Pennsylvania by 0.72% in 2016; in 2020, he lost by 1.16%.
In other words, in terms of difference in vote share, Montana had a wider swing than did Pennsylvania and you're going to tell me anything looks suspicious?
Now, perhaps you are opposed to mail-in voting and would backpedal and say that's what you mean by, "Cheating." I'm not opposed to mail-in, but I do think people should have to enclose a copy of their ID. More than that, I'm not opposed to Government requiring people to show ID to vote PROVIDED they will give free voter ID's to anyone without a driver's license who is a citizen, has a social security number and asks for one.
Do I think there is widespread election fraud? Absolutely not. Would I be perfectly happy to take actions that would make fraud closer to impossible? Prior to 2020, I'd have called it superfluous, but now I will say I would definitely take the actions in the paragraph above simply so that we don't have a repeat of this mess with a bunch of crybaby Evangelicals.
If you are right and Fox News actually gave a shit about this country, which they don't, then they would have fought this in court and won, or alternatively, lost and took it all the way to the SCOTUS. I do hope that it happens and some news organization does exactly that in order for us to know where the laws are. I also tend to think that the SCOTUS will err on the side of free speech.
With that, I think that news organizations should certainly be permitted to be wrong about something. I don't think they should be permitted to make unqualified statements, or allow such statements to be made, knowing that those statements are slanderous lies. Even lying is fine as long as they qualify it. You seriously can't be defending that news organizations should be allowed to knowingly lie without qualification. I know that most conservatives only pretend to have any actual principles, but I expect better from you. The press cannot fucking deliberately tell unqualified lies to the American people. Period. It's not defensible.
I mean, we both agree that Fox settled because they don't want a trial. I think it's both what you said (get it out of the media, ironically enough) and what I said (not wanting things to come to public light, also ironically enough). If you're worried about Freedom of the Press getting trampled on, and Fox News shared your concerns, then they would fight.
But, again, you care about this country; Fox News does not.
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Druff,
Just to clarify, (already gave you positive rep, so can't do so again) they are not, "My side." I'm a Libertarian. While I am extremely liberal on social issues, I hate the outspoken and insane Far Left ALMOST as much as I hate the Evangelical Right.
OK2,
You're a retard.
Also, you're from New Zealand and talking to you is a waste of my time. Your views on American politics and happenings are not relevant to anyone in this country.
While I suspect you probably won't acquiesce, I am hereby politely requesting that you do not direct any posts to me and do not interact with my posts in any way. I know this is difficult for you to understand, but not only do you not matter to me whatsoever, there is absolutely no reason that you should matter to me whatsoever. Please discontinue being an annoying little gnat that forces me to swat you from time to time. Thank you.
Mission146 is god.
Also who knew one of the biggest incel posters on these forums who calls everyone a “faggot” is actually a kiwi. That’s like someone from France calling everyone else gay.
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