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    Doug Polk mocking Matt Berkey for supposedly refusing to play Nik Airball $500k heads up

    https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/status/1638604610796679168

    It's from this interview, at the 1:24:35 mark. You can see a bit more there.





    Berkey responded 5 hours later, starting at the 35:13 mark:






    Note that Polk and Berkey not only run rival training servies (Upswing / Solve 4 Why), but they also don't like each other personally. They've bashed each other before on Twitter, though it has died down in the past 2 years or so.

    Now it's starting back up.

    I don't dislike either of these guys, and in fact appeared on Berkey's show late last year. I might appear again at some point in the future, as well.

    I don't think Berkey should get shit for refusing to play a $500k heads up match with a guy who apparently has no fear of firing big money. You need to be really rich or willing to gamble huge money in order to play a match like that.

    Patrick Leonard agrees:

    https://twitter.com/padspoker/status/1638743647708491776

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    DANG YALL 2006 UP IN HERE HU4ROLLZ

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    additionally, that twerp srslygaysrsfag still makes poker videos for Polk?


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    LOL poker faggots, probably has less functioning adults than any industry other than video games.
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    Holy fuck Doug Polk just totally owned him on video with j4 hand

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    Betcheckbet, you're correct that Polk humiliated Berkey pretty hard in that video you posted. You can tell a lot of effort went into the writing and production of this, especially with such short notice. Watch it carefully and you'll see how much stuff they dug up regarding Berkey, which obviously takes a good deal of time.

    Indeed, the video was extremely well received by Poker Twitter, and it was nearly unanimous that Polk had completely bodied him. So once again an effortless social media victory for Polk, right?

    Not so fast.

    Polk hastily commissioned this video because he was getting beaten down hard on Twitter earlier that same day.

    To understand what happened, see my original post, where I showed Polk/Airball bashing Berkey, and then Berkey's subsequent response video on his Only Friends show.

    In the show, Berkey also shared these texts he had with Doug from earlier this year, while Berkey was in the Bahamas:

    https://twitter.com/berkey11/status/1638732392558125058



    These texts seem to back Berkey's version of events. He was clear that he would play Airball, but that he had a busy schedule coming up, and would have to fit the match in, which Polk seemed to be fine with. Indeed, Polk himself indicated that The Lodge was going to also be busy with something else through mid February.

    This already gave Berkey the edge in this feud, as many observers felt that Polk lied/exaggerated in his story about Berkey ducking Airball. But Doug was getting absolutely destroyed when he posted this response to Berkey's video:

    https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/status/1638894624247881729


    This tweet was very poorly received by most, even some of Doug's own fans. Most people felt that Berkey had every right to show texts which proved he wasn't ducking the match like Doug had accused, and that his "HU4ROLLZ" type challenge regarding 200/400 at Bellagio was childish.

    Additionally, people felt it was bad form for Polk to allow Nik Airball to call Berkey a "scammer" without any kind of evidence, and to partially validate that stance by his response.

    Polk is usually pretty good at social media battles, and doesn't often misfire like this. But this tweet landed with an absolute thud, and the people responding let him know it. Additionally, most people did not fault Berkey for turning down a $500k heads up match, especially one which would air on the stream of someone he disliked. Not only did Doug mislead people regarding the conversation with Berkey, but his entire premise that Berkey was expected to play Airball $500k heads up "because Berkey runs a coaching service" was wrong in the first place.

    At this point, Berkey was on cloud nine, retweeting anything and everything written in his support. Polk had gotten the better of him in their previous brief Twitter feuds, but this one was Berkey's victory to savor.

    But Doug still had a weapon in his arsenal -- his ability to make entertaining troll videos, and a guy on his payroll who was good at doing them.

    At first Doug had planned upon doing a series about "fraudulent poker coaches", presumably mostly aimed at Berkey.

    https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/status/1638903359947304960


    However, he realized that this would be a waste of time, as he really had only one target in mind, and he needed to respond quickly to make people change their impression about the situation. He also realized that humor was his best weapon here, and that a serious video about supposedly unethical poker coaches wouldn't be nearly as funny as a roast on Berkey himself.

    Doug decided to do the video Betcheckbet posted above, and as the final touches were being put together, he let Berkey know it was coming:

    https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/status/1639018695732109316


    Then the video dropped, everyone loved it, and Berkey was left speechless.

    Berkey attempted to share a weak meme that his young friend Landon Tice posted in response, but it was too little, too late:

    https://twitter.com/berkey11/status/1639052104039022592



    Polk wins this one with an improbable comeback in the 9th inning, after being way down the entire game. Impressive.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    But Doug still had a weapon in his arsenal -- his ability to make entertaining troll videos, and a guy on his payroll who was good at doing them.

    a guy on his payroll? oh yeah that random ass guy on his payroll that's kind of good at making videos, yah that guy

    next time you put some GODDAMN respect on SiriuslySrs' name

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Holy fuck Doug Polk just totally owned him on video with j4 hand


    This was a great video. Must watch, even for people who hate poker videos.

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    I like many of Doug Polk's videos and haven't really heard of this Berkey, but I don't see in what world Polk wins in this exchange.

    Polk made an accusation that was, in the light most favorable to Polk, greatly exaggerated.

    Berkey provided evidence that Polk's accusation was greatly exaggerated, at best.

    Berkey is in the right, Polk is in the wrong; I don't see how any kind of roast as to something completely unrelated changes that.

    Also, don't both of these guys make money teaching people how to be just good enough at poker to gain undeserved confidence so that they can lose to guys like Berkey and Polk, so that Berkey and Polk get their money both going in and going out? Either way, I don't see how these flame wars benefit anyone other than social media attention.

    Poker has many more people who behave like thirteen year old girls than I would have guessed.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I like many of Doug Polk's videos and haven't really heard of this Berkey, but I don't see in what world Polk wins in this exchange.

    Polk made an accusation that was, in the light most favorable to Polk, greatly exaggerated.

    Berkey provided evidence that Polk's accusation was greatly exaggerated, at best.

    Berkey is in the right, Polk is in the wrong; I don't see how any kind of roast as to something completely unrelated changes that.

    Also, don't both of these guys make money teaching people how to be just good enough at poker to gain undeserved confidence so that they can lose to guys like Berkey and Polk, so that Berkey and Polk get their money both going in and going out? Either way, I don't see how these flame wars benefit anyone other than social media attention.

    Poker has many more people who behave like thirteen year old girls than I would have guessed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nunbeater View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    But Doug still had a weapon in his arsenal -- his ability to make entertaining troll videos, and a guy on his payroll who was good at doing them.

    a guy on his payroll? oh yeah that random ass guy on his payroll that's kind of good at making videos, yah that guy

    next time you put some GODDAMN respect on SiriuslySrs' name
    don't you remember?

    they probably have an agreement not to discuss each other after the [REDACTED] incident, but not that [REDACTED] incident, also not the most recent [REDACTED] incident

    hope this helps

     
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    Knowing both these guys (especially Berkey) make infinitely more money on social media than poker - I choose to not spend more than a few seconds skimming this thread without clicking any links.

    If they ran their sites at a loss I might give a fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Knowing both these guys (especially Berkey) make infinitely more money on social media than poker - I choose to not spend more than a few seconds skimming this thread without clicking any links.

    If they ran their sites at a loss I might give a fuck
    honestly, since poker is so fuckin gay I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was fake(with an agreement between both of them) to drive engagement to their social media, their gay poker coaching sites and faggot poker overall

    what do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Holy fuck Doug Polk just totally owned him on video with j4 hand


    This was a great video. Must watch, even for people who hate poker videos.
    Wait, that’s me. I hate poker videos and their mandatory autism which I think is now law in the 2020’s.

    Just cause it’s you Simpdog I’ll gamble.


    This was pretty funny. Triggered nostalgia for a time when poker videos were entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I like many of Doug Polk's videos and haven't really heard of this Berkey, but I don't see in what world Polk wins in this exchange.

    Polk made an accusation that was, in the light most favorable to Polk, greatly exaggerated.

    Berkey provided evidence that Polk's accusation was greatly exaggerated, at best.

    Berkey is in the right, Polk is in the wrong; I don't see how any kind of roast as to something completely unrelated changes that.

    Also, don't both of these guys make money teaching people how to be just good enough at poker to gain undeserved confidence so that they can lose to guys like Berkey and Polk, so that Berkey and Polk get their money both going in and going out? Either way, I don't see how these flame wars benefit anyone other than social media attention.

    Poker has many more people who behave like thirteen year old girls than I would have guessed.
    If instead of Nik making this challenge it was Hellmuth making it I guarantee you Berkey would make the time,if he didn’t want to play nobody would care since heads up cash isn’t really exciting poker but he just looks like phony.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nunbeater View Post


    a guy on his payroll? oh yeah that random ass guy on his payroll that's kind of good at making videos, yah that guy

    next time you put some GODDAMN respect on SiriuslySrs' name
    don't you remember?

    they probably have an agreement not to discuss each other after the [REDACTED] incident, but not that [REDACTED] incident, also not the most recent [REDACTED] incident

    hope this helps
    oh man just like 9-11, I hella forgot all about this

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    This is a post I made in the SSS part of the forum when Berkey had Draftkings Casino sponsor his podcast. I found it went against what he was trying to “sell” with Solve 4 Why. My biggest criticism of Berkey is his price point. Other than this guy I played with one night in Vegas, I have no other stories of Vertucci-esqe type up-selling. But I would find it hard to believe that he is the only one they got for 5 figures.

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    I give Berkey credit for sure. It’s been a long slog for him to get to where he is at. I mean it in the best way, he’s not a natural like Polk was. He really had to grind at the content game hard. He can be a bit tedious to listen to at time. Even some of these podcasts, they would bore a nerd to tears. If I got to hear another conversation of GTO vs Exploit my head may explode. But he keeps putting them out and God bless. I did enjoy the back and forth with him and Christian Soto. I guess Soto lives out east now so he can’t be on the show as a regular.

    Also, Above the Felt has certainly delivered. Not to say they didn’t earn the spots anyways but Jamie Kerstetter is high up with the WPT and MGM. Elias & Berkey have sponsorships with MGM. This Draftkings thing only lasted a week and I think it was basically just an affiliate link. I have just seen too many talented poker players lose it all in the pit. Maybe that is less of a concern nowadays with more of these GTO wizards coming into the game, as opposed to the boom where you saw a lot of people who just liked to gamble in general move over to poker.

    The Academy is fucking expensive. Let’s be honest, in four days you can’t retain 4K of knowledge. But just being around their studio & out of your comfort zone gives these guys confidence. They certainly will have to study a lot on their own time to get their 4K worth.

    Quick story….a few years ago I was playing 1/2 NL at Planet Hollywood. I sparked up a conversation with a guy probably in his mid 50s. Could tell he was successful. But a humble and nice guy. He said he just picked up poker in the last year. But I noticed he was super confident. Like almost winking at me that he was going to get all the money from this drunk guy. You know what… he did. He stacked the guy with top pair Jack kicker. 10 J….Jack high flop. Somehow got the guy to put in 300+ with god knows what.

    He told me he was doing training at Solve 4 Why. I asked him if he didn’t mind telling me how much he was in for. He said…6K and he was about to go put another 4k. I was in fucking shock. But just said that’s awesome man. 10 g birds. God bless Berkey. He was the most confident 1/2 novice I ever played with. So I guess he did get what he paid for.

    I have no idea if putting on headphones and talking though your through process is the best way to improve playing poker. But I doubt it. I think it’s mostly gimmicky. Unfortunately, I think tedious and long study is the most important component nowadays. At the same time if Berkey gets 25 guys an academy, that’s 100K. He already has the equipment and im sure everyone has to pay for their travel/food expense separately . So Berkey pays a couple of his guys probably a few grand. With little overhead he is clearing a pretty penny each of these academies.

    Berkey was eventually going to be called out about his price point. I do think it’s over priced. I would be more concerned about the up-selling and if guys are being charged over and over again thousands of dollars.

     
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    As for Polk, he is very talented at what he does. That is undeniable. But he is almost amoral when it comes to whatever will benefit him at the end of the day. He is also all about status. For example Negreanu will engage with basically anyone on Twitter whether they have 0 followers or 5 million. If Doug sees you are a nobody, he’s not going to waste a second of his time engaging with you.

    When building his platform he did for sure tear many people down. Some deserved and some undeserved. The most notable is his long campaign punching up at Negreanu. At this point, he doesn’t need to shit on people, but it’s clear he enjoys it. It wasn’t just about building the platform. He has some shamelessness and lack of empathy for sure.

    Prime example is how he has dealt with Hustler Casino live and the whole J4 incident. I remember when he went after Vertucci for “bum hunting” his own lineups. That was prior to the J4 episode, but Polk quickly made up with Vertucci. This was because Polk knew he was going to need to get high stakes players in the Hustler player pool out to the Lodge.

    Even though Polk still says Robbi was “probably cheating” he has gone mostly silent on any criticism of Hustler and even had Robbi out to the Lodge livestream. He had Nik Airball, Mike X and other a Hustler players out there. It’s what’s good for Polk and his business.

    Polk brought in Brad Owen & Andrew Neeme to the Lodge because they had the two biggest vlogs on YouTube. But both have since signed with WPT as ambassadors and appear infrequently at the Lodge. I’m sure Polk isn’t to happy about all that.

    Anyways, shitting on Berkey is easy for Doug. Berkey doesn’t get along with Vertucci and doesn’t get invited to the Hustler. He is of no value to Polk. This became completely apparent when Berkey wasn’t receptive to the Nik Airball challenge. When Polk knew it was a lost cause, he decided to shit on the guy. I’m sure Polk had no idea what the price point for the Solve 4 Why academy was 3 days ago.

    The guys talented and good at what he does. But at the end of the day it’s always what is good for him and not about right & wrong when he decides who/what to go after.

    Polk is extremely successful making money off the poker world. He probably has made more income from the poker world, if you exclude actual poker winnings, than any other single individual. He also has the benefit of knowing precisely how to make a great 12 minute Yotube Video. It’s pretty easy in a short monologue to paint your position as the correct one. Credit must be given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    This is a post I made in the SSS part of the forum when Berkey had Draftkings Casino sponsor his podcast. I found it went against what he was trying to “sell” with Solve 4 Why. My biggest criticism of Berkey is his price point. Other than this guy I played with one night in Vegas, I have no other stories of Vertucci-esqe type up-selling. But I would find it hard to believe that he is the only one they got for 5 figures.

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    I give Berkey credit for sure. It’s been a long slog for him to get to where he is at. I mean it in the best way, he’s not a natural like Polk was. He really had to grind at the content game hard. He can be a bit tedious to listen to at time. Even some of these podcasts, they would bore a nerd to tears. If I got to hear another conversation of GTO vs Exploit my head may explode. But he keeps putting them out and God bless. I did enjoy the back and forth with him and Christian Soto. I guess Soto lives out east now so he can’t be on the show as a regular.

    Also, Above the Felt has certainly delivered. Not to say they didn’t earn the spots anyways but Jamie Kerstetter is high up with the WPT and MGM. Elias & Berkey have sponsorships with MGM. This Draftkings thing only lasted a week and I think it was basically just an affiliate link. I have just seen too many talented poker players lose it all in the pit. Maybe that is less of a concern nowadays with more of these GTO wizards coming into the game, as opposed to the boom where you saw a lot of people who just liked to gamble in general move over to poker.

    The Academy is fucking expensive. Let’s be honest, in four days you can’t retain 4K of knowledge. But just being around their studio & out of your comfort zone gives these guys confidence. They certainly will have to study a lot on their own time to get their 4K worth.

    Quick story….a few years ago I was playing 1/2 NL at Planet Hollywood. I sparked up a conversation with a guy probably in his mid 50s. Could tell he was successful. But a humble and nice guy. He said he just picked up poker in the last year. But I noticed he was super confident. Like almost winking at me that he was going to get all the money from this drunk guy. You know what… he did. He stacked the guy with top pair Jack kicker. 10 J….Jack high flop. Somehow got the guy to put in 300+ with god knows what.

    He told me he was doing training at Solve 4 Why. I asked him if he didn’t mind telling me how much he was in for. He said…6K and he was about to go put another 4k. I was in fucking shock. But just said that’s awesome man. 10 g birds. God bless Berkey. He was the most confident 1/2 novice I ever played with. So I guess he did get what he paid for.

    I have no idea if putting on headphones and talking though your through process is the best way to improve playing poker. But I doubt it. I think it’s mostly gimmicky. Unfortunately, I think tedious and long study is the most important component nowadays. At the same time if Berkey gets 25 guys an academy, that’s 100K. He already has the equipment and im sure everyone has to pay for their travel/food expense separately . So Berkey pays a couple of his guys probably a few grand. With little overhead he is clearing a pretty penny each of these academies.

    Berkey was eventually going to be called out about his price point. I do think it’s over priced. I would be more concerned about the up-selling and if guys are being charged over and over again thousands of dollars.
    who are these people paying thousands of dollars for poker coaching in 2023? do people really still play poker for this investment to pay off? are they just learning gay pot odds, or are we going full 2012 with full on GAME THEORY OPTIMAL rofl

    what a joke, I bet they're just sitting watching random situations being played by solvers

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