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    Lol at Amazon Story that 80% Americans want $15 Dollar Min Wage.

    On the surface, looks like Amazon is gunning for the little guy.

    The real truth is that 15 dollar minimum wage will further cripple small businesses and increase Amazon monopoly.

    Well I guess if you can get millions of sheep to take unneeded vaccine for ‘herd’ immunity, you can convince them of anything.

    Fuck Amazon.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    On the surface, looks like Amazon is gunning for the little guy.

    The real truth is that 15 dollar minimum wage will further cripple small businesses and increase Amazon monopoly.

    Well I guess if you can get millions of sheep to take unneeded vaccine for ‘herd’ immunity, you can convince them of anything.

    Fuck Amazon.


    They did the same shit regarding sales tax of online purchases. For decades, online and mail order purchases were taxed only if sold by a merchant with a presence in the purchaser's state. So if I buy something from a San Francisco store with feces sitting on the sidewalk out front, I have to pay sales tax. If I buy something from Salt Lake City, I don't, unless that business also has an office in California.

    This was nationwide.

    Anyway, for many years states didn't care about this, because mail order was only a small percentage of all sales, and online ordering wasn't a thing yet.

    However, as online ordering became huge by the 2010s, states realized they were losing lots of sales tax revenue, so they lobbied to get that law changed. State governments wanted sales tax to be charged for all items coming into the state, regardless of where purchased. Online retailers obviously didn't want this, as it would make overall prices higher, with no benefit to the merchants or consumers.

    But... there was one very large retailer which DID support such a law change: Amazon.

    They knew this would push their competitors out of business, as many of their competitors existed only in one state, as Amazon was rapidly expanding across the country. Thus, Amazon knew they'd be charging tax anyway, and they wanted their competitors to, as well.

    Amazon eventually voluntarily agreed to start charging tax on all purchases made through their site. They postured that they just wanted to be "fair" to state governments. Bullshit.

    Most states require a "use tax" to be paid by consumers receiving non-taxed items they bought from out-of-state retailers, but few people actually pay it, and there is no enforcement of this.

     
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    I do not understand this fascination with "little guy" business owners.

    Many of the "little guy" business owners I know of - that friends and family worked for - have outright cheated their employees, evaded taxes, undercounted hours, ignored overtime rules, hired "undocumented" workers, and to put a cherry on top - screwed me as a customer with higher pay. Not all of them, of course, but this is very pervasive in "little guy" businesses.

    I was very happy to see Walmart move in. Customers benefit via lower prices. Walmart pays is low, but they don't cheat, labor rules are followed, they won't screw workers on overtime, etc. And with Amazon, it's even better; Amazon pays decently.

    I do not understand why we customers should be subsidizing and protecting people trying to profit from us. If they can't cut it in their business, they shouldn't be in that business. This is supposed to be capitalism, not some perverse business socialism where we try to protect "little guy" businesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apwiz View Post
    I do not understand this fascination with "little guy" business owners.

    Many of the "little guy" business owners I know of - that friends and family worked for - have outright cheated their employees, evaded taxes, undercounted hours, ignored overtime rules, hired "undocumented" workers, and to put a cherry on top - screwed me as a customer with higher pay. Not all of them, of course, but this is very pervasive in "little guy" businesses.

    I was very happy to see Walmart move in. Customers benefit via lower prices. Walmart pays is low, but they don't cheat, labor rules are followed, they won't screw workers on overtime, etc. And with Amazon, it's even better; Amazon pays decently.

    I do not understand why we customers should be subsidizing and protecting people trying to profit from us. If they can't cut it in their business, they shouldn't be in that business. This is supposed to be capitalism, not some perverse business socialism where we try to protect "little guy" businesses.
    I don't disagree with your premise but the bolded part is not true. Walmart is notorious for this. They also encourage their employees to go on welfare so they can keep getting away with paying less.

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    Lol at Amazon Story that 80% Americans want $15 Dollar Min Wage.

    Most people dont realize the whole $15 minimal wage thing really is- A way to tax a business. The more the employee makes, the more they pay in taxes. Why does Biden want it, he gets more federal tax paid, simple.

    Also, F the Amazon workers, they know they need to go union and should have done union years this along time ago. If they dont unionize, then they deserve the screw. Their internal problems are not the nation's problems.
    Last edited by desertrunner; 03-17-2021 at 11:30 PM.

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    When I think about this...

    It's all about the 'Intrinsic Value' and does that have any or as much worth to you personally now as it did years ago, to older people. I dont think so myself now.. The Baby Boomers like yourself orr me Gen X, or Millenial etc. and if you are being honest you have to realize. This more Technologically advanced younger Population (Millenials) actually do not see the same 'Intrinsic Value' worth, as our moms and dads did. Society changes maybe its just Evolution, who knows.

    Big problem I think for Brick-Mortars moving forward. These kids are Tech savvy, and they don't see any worth in holding and touching things, as did our parents.....

    ;-)

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    small businesses are small for a reason: they're gay

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    Lol at the liberal communist responses.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    Lol at the liberal communist responses.
    lol not exactly but I could see why or how you might think that....

    for me think I just get how we as people or Society evolve, and change over Time. And maybe when it comes to money and the way you were always engrained to think is not right. And imo, honestly without going to much into it, because I know how unrealistic to ever think could happen. But the idea that maybe Borders do create Problems, or different Centrally Banked Currencies around the World. Maybe that is all what is wrong with the World and why we fight so easily, and much. Maybe Central Currencies are a Problem, I could go on and on and maybe we just arent always right about everything..

    im torn on this one, but I know im not one who thinks we should just by default having only one choice when it comes to a Value or Money. And be it Bitcoin or whatever, I want to choose, I dont want my Government to choose for me, ever. So maybe im just different in that sense, and want to be a bit more Independent in ways, even with Money and Bitcoin does offer things to people. Something else will not. But we all do have differing viewpoints, and I understand that too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by apwiz View Post
    I do not understand this fascination with "little guy" business owners.

    Many of the "little guy" business owners I know of - that friends and family worked for - have outright cheated their employees, evaded taxes, undercounted hours, ignored overtime rules, hired "undocumented" workers, and to put a cherry on top - screwed me as a customer with higher pay. Not all of them, of course, but this is very pervasive in "little guy" businesses.

    I was very happy to see Walmart move in. Customers benefit via lower prices. Walmart pays is low, but they don't cheat, labor rules are followed, they won't screw workers on overtime, etc. And with Amazon, it's even better; Amazon pays decently.

    I do not understand why we customers should be subsidizing and protecting people trying to profit from us. If they can't cut it in their business, they shouldn't be in that business. This is supposed to be capitalism, not some perverse business socialism where we try to protect "little guy" businesses.
    Big and small companies have their advantages and disadvantages -- both as employees and customers. I've worked for both.

    You're just a number when you're a customer or employee of a large corporation. It's a more personal relationship with a small company.

    You're more likely to get screwed by a small company, but you're more likely to run into annoying bureaucracy when dealing with a big company.

    As an employee, it's easier to advance in a small company than a big company.

    Big companies are more likely to coldly lay you off. Small companies are more likely to fail and go out of business.

    Small companies keep most of the money circulating in the local economy. Big companies ship it off.

    Small companies are less likely to be spineless when it comes to idiotic woke sensitivity demands.

    Large companies are easier to deal with when you have an issue with local management. Small companies often has ownership as local management, or one level below ownership, with the owner unwilling to help.

    Large companies care about their overall reputation. Small companies care about immediate sales.

    As a customer, I do prefer to deal with larger companies, because I run into less penny-pinching, and I'm not as likely to run into a person in authority who acts like a king. However, I feel it's important for small companies to have a chance, and we need to be careful about passing laws which appear to be helping the little guy, but in reality are giving a huge advantage to our corporate overlords.

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    Amazon screws up again...

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/...ee-in-bottles/

    And I partially blame the employees who refuse to go union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertrunner View Post
    Amazon screws up again...

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/...ee-in-bottles/

    And I partially blame the employees who refuse to go union.
    So, are you saying employees who refuse to form a union deserve to be fired? They shouldn't have to do that.

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    Lol at Amazon Story that 80% Americans want $15 Dollar Min Wage.

    Quote Originally Posted by David USF View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by desertrunner View Post
    Amazon screws up again...

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/...ee-in-bottles/

    And I partially blame the employees who refuse to go union.
    So, are you saying employees who refuse to form a union deserve to be fired? They shouldn't have to do that.
    Did I say that, no. Try to keep up.

    If the employees don’t like their current working conditions like peeing in a bottle, then they should unionize.

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    i don't have a problem with the minimum wage being upped to 15hr.

    you conservatives really need to think his through, while fighting against this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    i don't have a problem with the minimum wage being upped to 15hr.

    you conservatives really need to think his through, while fighting against this.
    Please explain and back your opinion. Why should the wage go to $15?

    Also, I am NOT a conservative.

    My take- I am not for the wage increase because it’s just another way for the gov to tax businesses masked as a new benefit to the workers. Also, it promotes a lazy work force that now won’t try to better themselves to better pay like schooling, training, etc.

    On the liberal side, I feel the Amazon employees need to unionize to bargain for FAIR wages, better working conditions and better benefits.

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