So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[Shizzmoney]

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[sonatine]

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its probably worth considering that a lot of people who simply blew off reporting their flus last year are no longer fuckin round with it.

but yeah everything i hear from ny medical staff is basically apocolyptic.

[Shizzmoney]

They fucking knew

On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.

"There's one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history," he said, according to a secret recording of the remarks obtained by NPR. "It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic."

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/81819...ts-on-covid-19

[Dan Druff]

What about the landlord who makes his living solely by collecting rent?

Tough luck on him? He starves?

What about the bills he has to pay for utilities, maintenance, ad upkeep during that year nobody is paying rent? Just out of his pocket?

There's a lot more to being a landlord than just avoiding foreclosure.

This is more than people whining "unfair" because the rules aren't quite the same as they were in 2019. This is really placing a huge disproportionate burden upon landlords, with no plan to reimburse them in any way -- either in the present or future.

Druff, this is what happens when you give your “expert opinion” on shit you know nothing about in the real world. Number one problem: an eviction in the court system is going to take forever now. Problem number 2: once you evict them, who are your prospective tenants? Crickets chirping. Problem 3: now your abandoned building is ripe for vandalism and theft. Are you going to occupy and protect it yourself? All things considered, leaving the tenant in the building is probably a better option for now.

Here’s how you help the landlords recoup their losses: a one year reduction in property taxes.

Pretty sure I know more about this "real world" topic than you.

Now, to answer:

1) A slower eviction process is better than none at all. More importantly, keeping the process in place will cut down on the number of OSAs who decide not to pay rent just because they can get away with it. Right now these measures are emboldening tenants to cheat/freeroll landlords.

2) Any sane landlord would rather have a vacant apartment/house than one occupied with someone who has no intention upon paying rent.

3) Evictions aren't required. If the landlord fears that too many vacancies could lead to squatting or vandalism, he can simply choose not to evict. You are trying to advocate taking away their choice to evict.

4) Zeroing property taxes would only pay for a small fraction of the losses incurred by landlords in this spot. That's not compensation.

Landlords can also make deals with tenants. They can accept a reduced rent or defer a portion of payments until the person finds a job, or whatever. You just want to hand all the power to the tenants to screw landlords, and based upon your #2 and #3 points, you think the government is actually doing the landlords a favor.

Again, if the government wants landlords to be the new sponsors of a free housing social program, the landlords need to get paid.

Imagine, for example, if plumbers were required to work for free in 2020. How do you think that would go over?

[OSA]

Druff, this is what happens when you give your “expert opinion” on shit you know nothing about in the real world. Number one problem: an eviction in the court system is going to take forever now. Problem number 2: once you evict them, who are your prospective tenants? Crickets chirping. Problem 3: now your abandoned building is ripe for vandalism and theft. Are you going to occupy and protect it yourself? All things considered, leaving the tenant in the building is probably a better option for now.

Here’s how you help the landlords recoup their losses: a one year reduction in property taxes.

Pretty sure I know more about this "real world" topic than you.

Now, to answer:

1) A slower eviction process is better than none at all. More importantly, keeping the process in place will cut down on the number of OSAs who decide not to pay rent just because they can get away with it. Right now these measures are emboldening tenants to cheat/freeroll landlords.

2) Any sane landlord would rather have a vacant apartment/house than one occupied with someone who has no intention upon paying rent.

3) Evictions aren't required. If the landlord fears that too many vacancies could lead to squatting or vandalism, he can simply choose not to evict. You are trying to advocate taking away their choice to evict.

4) Zeroing property taxes would only pay for a small fraction of the losses incurred by landlords in this spot. That's not compensation.

Landlords can also make deals with tenants. They can accept a reduced rent or defer a portion of payments until the person finds a job, or whatever. You just want to hand all the power to the tenants to screw landlords, and based upon your #2 and #3 points, you think the government is actually doing the landlords a favor.

Again, if the government wants landlords to be the new sponsors of a free housing social program, the landlords need to get paid.

Imagine, for example, if plumbers were required to work for free in 2020. How do you think that would go over?

In reality this is what I wanted to do, was just exploring other options as well. In negotiations though, as I am sure you have participated in many many many times, you don't ask for the deal that you want, you ask for more and accept less.

[Dan Druff]

suspending evictions and foreclosures until April month end seems reasonable to me

it is similar to what the federal government has already done re: income taxes--the penalty payment deadline has been moved to July 15.

Thus, the government has said: "you can pay later without penalty, but the taxes are not forgiven."

so rents have been deferred, not forgiven, by the suspension.


and to Tellafriend re: foreseeable -- business downturns happen regularly, most mild, but some severe as in 1974, 1981, 1987, 1994, 2001, and 2008...even in biblical times Pharaoh had Benjamin tell him to store up during the 7 years of good harvests for the coming 7 bad years..

This works for people who care about their credit.

There are a lot of people who will gladly take 12+ months of free rent in exchange for a credit hit. In fact, these people could gamble that down the road these credit hits would be erased due to some coronavirus forgiveness law.

If the government thinks this is such a great idea, they should be the ones to guarantee landlords that either the renters will pay or they'll pay (and then collect from some of these people down the line, possibly -- similar to back taxes owed).

[simpdog]

mods please remove Druff from this thread.

He's going off topic.

[gut]

mods please remove Druff from this thread.

He's going off topic.

This sites landlord is NOT giving us relief from the sidetracked convo.

But think of the landlord tho guys plz.

[Dan Druff]

unbelievable that even now, you cant stray from your jihad against logic. you are like a moth to flames when someone posits a path forward; you take the tiniest, most inconsequential arguments against and present them as evidence that ostensibly negates the entire premise as if it somehow bolsters your brand as 'the smart voice in the room'.

its as if youve somehow metastasized the cult of fox news into an online personality.

we're in a thread about a pandemic thats shut down our country, destroyed the 2 most powerful economies on the planet, and is predicted to kill thousands and thousands of people AND YOURE ADVOCATING FOR LANDLORD RIGHTS.

READ THE FUCKING ROOM. OR BETTER STILL, START THE "CORONAVIRUS THREAD FOR SOCIOPATHS" AND SANDBOX YOUR NONSENSE THERE.

There's a jihad against logic here, all right.

How much are you personally contributing to funding others' bad financial situations due to this virus?

I'm guessing zero point zero.

But landlords need to shoulder the massive burden according to king sonatine, because "omg pandemic"?

Oh, and if anyone says otherwise, they're a sociopath.

These unprecedented measures definitely belong as discussion topics in this thread.

[SPIT this]

I'm sorry, but for the past week Trump seems... sick

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[Dan Druff]

Another existing drug -- one related to treating malaria -- is also showing promise.

Sometimes this happens. Viagra came to exist because of research into heart meds, and dudes testing it were reporting their dicks were getting hard.

[GrenadaRoger]

suspending evictions and foreclosures until April month end seems reasonable to me

it is similar to what the federal government has already done re: income taxes--the penalty payment deadline has been moved to July 15.

Thus, the government has said: "you can pay later without penalty, but the taxes are not forgiven."

so rents have been deferred, not forgiven, by the suspension.


and to Tellafriend re: foreseeable -- business downturns happen regularly, most mild, but some severe as in 1974, 1981, 1987, 1994, 2001, and 2008...even in biblical times Pharaoh had Benjamin tell him to store up during the 7 years of good harvests for the coming 7 bad years..

This works for people who care about their credit.

There are a lot of people who will gladly take 12+ months of free rent in exchange for a credit hit. In fact, these people could gamble that down the road these credit hits would be erased due to some coronavirus forgiveness law.

If the government thinks this is such a great idea, they should be the ones to guarantee landlords that either the renters will pay or they'll pay (and then collect from some of these people down the line, possibly -- similar to back taxes owed).

So those few justify removing any risk to the landlord? Or in other words, landlords keep the benefit (profit), the taxpayer takes the risk (loss)…(in that sense, you sound just like any Fortune 100 CEO)...anyway, what you claim some tenants may do can be done only once by them unless the prospective landlord is a fool.

So instead, how about landlords do a better job of screening tenants or just get out of the industry and invest in Treasury Bonds to guarantee income.

[adamantium]

unbelievable that even now, you cant stray from your jihad against logic. you are like a moth to flames when someone posits a path forward; you take the tiniest, most inconsequential arguments against and present them as evidence that ostensibly negates the entire premise as if it somehow bolsters your brand as 'the smart voice in the room'.

its as if youve somehow metastasized the cult of fox news into an online personality.

we're in a thread about a pandemic thats shut down our country, destroyed the 2 most powerful economies on the planet, and is predicted to kill thousands and thousands of people AND YOURE ADVOCATING FOR LANDLORD RIGHTS.

READ THE FUCKING ROOM. OR BETTER STILL, START THE "CORONAVIRUS THREAD FOR SOCIOPATHS" AND SANDBOX YOUR NONSENSE THERE.

There's a jihad against logic here, all right.

How much are you personally contributing to funding others' bad financial situations due to this virus?

I'm guessing zero point zero.

But landlords need to shoulder the massive burden according to king sonatine, because "omg pandemic"?

Oh, and if anyone says otherwise, they're a sociopath.

These unprecedented measures definitely belong as discussion topics in this thread.

Did everyone stop paying rent?

[Dan Druff]

There's a jihad against logic here, all right.

How much are you personally contributing to funding others' bad financial situations due to this virus?

I'm guessing zero point zero.

But landlords need to shoulder the massive burden according to king sonatine, because "omg pandemic"?

Oh, and if anyone says otherwise, they're a sociopath.

These unprecedented measures definitely belong as discussion topics in this thread.

Did everyone stop paying rent?

In some areas, it's not unrealistic to believe that some smaller buildings will see all tenants emboldened not to pay.

The guy with the good credit, renting a single family house in the suburbs, is probably still going to pay.

[Dan Druff]

So let's pivot to the more interesting of the two financial corona topics I brought up earlier.

Printing money to pay for all of this: Good idea or terrible idea?

I already gave my take.

[adamantium]

Tons of people are getting temporarily laid off here, but the government are paying them 62% salary

[SPIT this]

Trump/Yang 2020 unity ticket??

[Dan Druff]

Tons of people are getting temporarily laid off here, but the government are paying them 62% salary

That's not a terrible idea.

As long as it can be done for 6+ months without running da money printing machine.

[Forum Wars]

Trump has first briefing on this stuff earlier, here's where he basically starts his cure:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ronavirus-test



POINT 1: Self Swab test will be forced past trials and become the de facto type of test for this -- he's cutting the red tape and making it happen.

POINT 2: an "exciting" briefing, later today (or maybe tomorrow) will discuss other methods for combatting this disease in those who are severe cases.

YOU CAN EXPECT: UNTESTED FOR THIS PURPOSE "off label" use of HIV and flu drugs...to get 100% approval

Key words: Chloroquine (anti-malarial), Lopinavir/ritonavir (HIV) Kaletra (basically the last two drugs together)



Finally, don't be surprised if Trump announces the US has bought one or two experimental drug companies and will be using the untested drugs from each on severe cases with NO "testing", i.e. the testing will be done at the same time as being administered to humans. Oh, he won't say it like that. Later he will, when he's in full bravado form from this working though. This would be so unprecendented in medical history, and of course, it could work. This is like the coach that tries something wild with one play on the clock. Win now spectacularly or lose anyway.

So, it's already begun...wow that was fast...

https://www.fiercepharma.com/vaccine...erna-doses-1st

Meanwhile, amid growing numbers of infections in the U.S., the FDA has allowed a phase 1 study of Moderna’s mRNA vaccine without animal data. On Monday, the biotech said researchers at the National Institutes of Health dosed the first subject.

Kinda unprecendented, even Ebola Vaccine (which is now a thing because of the same kind of shortcuts) didn't go SO fast.

Another existing drug -- one related to treating malaria -- is also showing promise.

This is how he will "fix" things. It might work. It might not. I will happen though. This is the modus operandi for Mr. Trump...and it was clear yesterday morning before anyone had said anything about what his briefing today would be about. Basically, 5-10 different drug treatment and vaccines will all skip all animal trials and become "tests in the live population" (companies who own those drug/FDA be damned). OK, ok, animal tests will be done, but simultaneous with live population tests. It's pretty unprecedented.

It's gonna look brilliant if it works and it WILL allow Trump to say that he cured it / found the vaccine. Art of the Deal - End of the World/Economy version.

[Baron Von Strucker]

unbelievable that even now, you cant stray from your jihad against logic. you are like a moth to flames when someone posits a path forward; you take the tiniest, most inconsequential arguments against and present them as evidence that ostensibly negates the entire premise as if it somehow bolsters your brand as 'the smart voice in the room'.

its as if youve somehow metastasized the cult of fox news into an online personality.

we're in a thread about a pandemic thats shut down our country, destroyed the 2 most powerful economies on the planet, and is predicted to kill thousands and thousands of people AND YOURE ADVOCATING FOR LANDLORD RIGHTS.

READ THE FUCKING ROOM. OR BETTER STILL, START THE "CORONAVIRUS THREAD FOR SOCIOPATHS" AND SANDBOX YOUR NONSENSE THERE.

Talking about your self here?

not a fan of what you said to Mumbles. he is a good guy with valid input IMO.
At this point Truckers deserve some danger pay and will likely have a big role in helping us recover from this situation we are in. Not greedy stock investors trying to capitalize on their countries demise.

sorry if you lost the egg nest.