In case you're wondering where 4Dragons went...

[Lord of the Fraud]

Is anybody here trying to get some clarity on exactly what he did?

Looking up court docs in the US can be very hit or miss, depending on whether Federal, State, County, family court, supreme court, local appeals, federal appeals, ... Every court has different amounts of info online. In the best cases, you can find every court doc down to when court payments were made and accounted for line by line. In a lot of case, you can't find shit, and don't even know where to start.

4d doesn't appear to be one of those cases where you find the court search engine and they vomit up everything.

Then we clearly need a PI or Drk Star to hit up his pig brother.


Either way, we need to know how bad this is I think.

[Muck Ficon]

He's 48? He looks a lot older.

[simpdog]

He's 48? He looks a lot older.

That’s what he said.

[splitthis]

Looking up court docs in the US can be very hit or miss, depending on whether Federal, State, County, family court, supreme court, local appeals, federal appeals, ... Every court has different amounts of info online. In the best cases, you can find every court doc down to when court payments were made and accounted for line by line. In a lot of case, you can't find shit, and don't even know where to start.

4d doesn't appear to be one of those cases where you find the court search engine and they vomit up everything.

Then we clearly need a PI or Drk Star to hit up his pig brother.



Either way, we need to know how bad this is I think.

Not needed, is a matter of public record. Search macomb county clerk of courts.


Pending Cases
Case # File Date Status Initiating Action
2018-001711-FH 05/25/2018 Open COMPUTERS-INTERNET-COMMUNICATE TO COMMIT A CRIME
2018-002254-FH 07/06/2018 Open CHILD SEX. ABUSIVE MATERIAL-POSSESSION
2018-002383-FH 07/16/2018 Open IDENTITY THEFT
2018-002838-FH 08/16/2018 Open UNLAWFUL POSTING OF MESSAGE
2018-003276-FH 09/21/2018 Open CHILDREN-ACCOSTING FOR IMMORAL PURPOSES
2018-004120-FH 11/29/2018 Open CAPTURING/DISTRIBUTING IMAGE OF UNCLOTHED PERSON
2018-004121-FH 11/29/2018 Open CAPTURING/DISTRIBUTING IMAGE OF UNCLOTHED PERSON

[splitthis]

This is why I wont meet anyone from this board until I am retired and too old to care. Even then will probably just go up to Druff during a wsop and say hi.

[splitthis]

I still feel sorry about this whole situation. I was always in vengeance mode all of my life, now see how grace allows for forgiveness. There is no excuse for the sin, his punishment is lifelong. I hope 4D finds through the love of God peace and healing.

[Dan Druff]

Then we clearly need a PI or Drk Star to hit up his pig brother.



Either way, we need to know how bad this is I think.

Not needed, is a matter of public record. Search macomb county clerk of courts.


Pending Cases
Case # File Date Status Initiating Action
2018-001711-FH 05/25/2018 Open COMPUTERS-INTERNET-COMMUNICATE TO COMMIT A CRIME
2018-002254-FH 07/06/2018 Open CHILD SEX. ABUSIVE MATERIAL-POSSESSION
2018-002383-FH 07/16/2018 Open IDENTITY THEFT
2018-002838-FH 08/16/2018 Open UNLAWFUL POSTING OF MESSAGE
2018-003276-FH 09/21/2018 Open CHILDREN-ACCOSTING FOR IMMORAL PURPOSES
2018-004120-FH 11/29/2018 Open CAPTURING/DISTRIBUTING IMAGE OF UNCLOTHED PERSON
2018-004121-FH 11/29/2018 Open CAPTURING/DISTRIBUTING IMAGE OF UNCLOTHED PERSON

Can you take a screen shot of this?

All I could find was reference to the case which was closed on 1/4/18.

It is true that he owes like $2k in court fees (including a late fee), but that's all I see besides probation.

[Dan Druff]

Actually, splitthis, your case numbers come up with sex crimes of other people in Macomb County, but not 4Dragons.

[FNdonkey]

I worked for an ISP up until a few months back. I noticed one morning that one of our main network engineers had not been there in several days. I asked what happened to him and was told "ummmmmmmmmmmm yeah he was on some websites he probably shouldn't have been on and is going to be in prison for a little while". The name is Haniel Goertz. I found minimal info online but seems to be a very similar situation. He got a year in federal prison.

One guy in the office was defending him and said the way they popped him is his darknet desktop icon was actually a very small child porn photo. He was an obvious queer, but I can't say I really suspected this.

[Forum Wars]

Guys, guys, recall most states have a Sex Offender Registry.

And in Michigan, there's three levels. Well, 4D is a Tier Two offender. Probably for the last item below, "Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material".

BTW, *** 4D is currently "not-compliant" with the registry ***. Meaning he hasn't paid his "fee" or updated his current address on time or both.


MICHIGAN SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY TIERS
Tier One Offenses:
Indecent exposure with self fondling in front of a child
Possession of child sexually abusive material (child pornography or kiddie porn)
Unlawful imprisonment or restraint of a minor
Criminal Sexual Conduct (CSC) 4th degree against a victim aged 18 or older
A sex offense committed by a sexually delinquent person


Tier Two Offenses:
Accosting, Enticing or Soliciting a Child for Immoral Purposes
Crime Against Nature or Sodomy, if the victim is younger than 18 but older than 13
Criminal Sexual Conduct 2nd Degree, if the victim is older than 13 but younger than 18
Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material


Tier Three Offenses:
Gross indecency against a victim under age 13
First Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct (rape, or any other forced sexual penetration)
Third Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct
Assault with intent to commit penetration (CSC 1st degree or CSC 3rd degree)
Second Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct against a victim younger than 13 years old

[ErickAA]

Guys, guys, recall most states have a Sex Offender Registry.

And in Michigan, there's three levels. Well, 4D is a Tier Two offender. Probably for the last item below, "Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material".

BTW, *** 4D is currently "not-compliant" with the registry ***. Meaning he hasn't paid his "fee" or updated his current address on time or both.


MICHIGAN SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY TIERS
Tier One Offenses:
Indecent exposure with self fondling in front of a child
Possession of child sexually abusive material (child pornography or kiddie porn)
Unlawful imprisonment or restraint of a minor
Criminal Sexual Conduct (CSC) 4th degree against a victim aged 18 or older
A sex offense committed by a sexually delinquent person


Tier Two Offenses:
Accosting, Enticing or Soliciting a Child for Immoral Purposes
Crime Against Nature or Sodomy, if the victim is younger than 18 but older than 13
Criminal Sexual Conduct 2nd Degree, if the victim is older than 13 but younger than 18
Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material


Tier Three Offenses:
Gross indecency against a victim under age 13
First Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct (rape, or any other forced sexual penetration)
Third Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct
Assault with intent to commit penetration (CSC 1st degree or CSC 3rd degree)
Second Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct against a victim younger than 13 years old

Doesn't 4Dragons live in California? Wasn't he the guy who used to brag about being friends with the pretty Jewish chick from The 70s Show? How is this relevant at all?

[Kuntmissioner]

Guys, guys, recall most states have a Sex Offender Registry.

And in Michigan, there's three levels. Well, 4D is a Tier Two offender. Probably for the last item below, "Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material".

BTW, *** 4D is currently "not-compliant" with the registry ***. Meaning he hasn't paid his "fee" or updated his current address on time or both.


MICHIGAN SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY TIERS
Tier One Offenses:
Indecent exposure with self fondling in front of a child
Possession of child sexually abusive material (child pornography or kiddie porn)
Unlawful imprisonment or restraint of a minor
Criminal Sexual Conduct (CSC) 4th degree against a victim aged 18 or older
A sex offense committed by a sexually delinquent person


Tier Two Offenses:
Accosting, Enticing or Soliciting a Child for Immoral Purposes
Crime Against Nature or Sodomy, if the victim is younger than 18 but older than 13
Criminal Sexual Conduct 2nd Degree, if the victim is older than 13 but younger than 18
Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material


Tier Three Offenses:
Gross indecency against a victim under age 13
First Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct (rape, or any other forced sexual penetration)
Third Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct
Assault with intent to commit penetration (CSC 1st degree or CSC 3rd degree)
Second Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct against a victim younger than 13 years old

Doesn't 4Dragons live in California? Wasn't he the guy who used to brag about being friends with the pretty Jewish chick from The 70s Show? How is this relevant at all?

No, and no.

[Forum Wars]

Me thinking out loud: verminaard was trolling?

[ErickAA]

Doesn't 4Dragons live in California? Wasn't he the guy who used to brag about being friends with the pretty Jewish chick from The 70s Show? How is this relevant at all?

No, and no.

Ok. Apologies. Am I thinking of someone else on this forum, or am I just out to lunch?

[Dan Druff]

No, and no.

Ok. Apologies. Am I thinking of someone else on this forum, or am I just out to lunch?

You're thinking of lakingsfan12, formerly of Donkdown.

He's not on PFA, and he has never been in trouble for anything like this.

[Ryback_feed_me_more]

Guys, guys, recall most states have a Sex Offender Registry.

And in Michigan, there's three levels. Well, 4D is a Tier Two offender. Probably for the last item below, "Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material".

BTW, *** 4D is currently "not-compliant" with the registry ***. Meaning he hasn't paid his "fee" or updated his current address on time or both.


MICHIGAN SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY TIERS
Tier One Offenses:
Indecent exposure with self fondling in front of a child
Possession of child sexually abusive material (child pornography or kiddie porn)
Unlawful imprisonment or restraint of a minor
Criminal Sexual Conduct (CSC) 4th degree against a victim aged 18 or older
A sex offense committed by a sexually delinquent person


Tier Two Offenses:
Accosting, Enticing or Soliciting a Child for Immoral Purposes
Crime Against Nature or Sodomy, if the victim is younger than 18 but older than 13
Criminal Sexual Conduct 2nd Degree, if the victim is older than 13 but younger than 18
Distributing or Promoting Child Sexually Abusive Material


Tier Three Offenses:
Gross indecency against a victim under age 13
First Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct (rape, or any other forced sexual penetration)
Third Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct
Assault with intent to commit penetration (CSC 1st degree or CSC 3rd degree)
Second Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct against a victim younger than 13 years old

If he’s non compliant that’s enough for his PO to violate him and send him behind bars. In some states a registry violation can be a felony.

[Dan Druff]

He's non-compliant due to non-payment, from what I can tell.

A late fee has already accrued.

Not sure if they will invalidate the probation over that.

[nunbeater]

Guys, relax. 4dragons was just kidding around

[garrett]

You can only take people as you find them, Garrett.

Not everybody who leaves the forum is a child sex offender.

True some are guilty of domestic violence against their parents and end up in one of those green padded smocks instead.. If the shit fits Gare wear it and you wore it well you fucktard

o.k so listen, dickhead.

i don't know why you decided to log into this corny "ryback" dupe, and try and throw some bullshit/shade at me. Just so you know, I dont care about what anyone on this forum thinks of me or what I did. Yeah I fought my dad, but what you don't understand is I grew up in a small multi-million dollar business in Jersey which can lead to struggle. Family business is not easy, its not growing up in WWIII but sometimes it might feel like it. Nonetheless, I can assure you the bullshit you think you are so keenly cool about talking to me, you wouldn't be saying to my face.

[OSA]

True some are guilty of domestic violence against their parents and end up in one of those green padded smocks instead.. If the shit fits Gare wear it and you wore it well you fucktard

o.k so listen, dickhead.

i don't know why you decided to log into this corny "ryback" dupe, and try and throw some bullshit/shade at me. Just so you know, I dont care about what anyone on this forum thinks of me or what I did. Yeah I fought my dad, but what you don't understand is I grew up in a small multi-million dollar business in Jersey which can lead to struggle. Family business is not easy, its not growing up in WWIII but sometimes it might feel like it. Nonetheless, I can assure you the bullshit you think you are so keenly cool about talking to me, you wouldn't be saying to my face.

Lmao....like this family?



I would bet my entire years commission check that gare watches this show religiously.