Time to get on the TRUMP train

[DirtyB]

I think someone else asked this earlier somewhere here, but my question is:

How can a president pardon someone who hasn't even been charged or convicted of a crime?

I mean, is that for real? Is there an actual loophole that allows the Prez to do that?



Next question is, what about the Clinton Foundation? I mean, she and the foundation are obviously under investigation at this time. Will anything come of it? who knows...i can't imagine something not coming of it due to some of the evidence already uncovered, but I highly doubt Obama can pardon her for something concerning this, right??

I mean, please tell me the president doesn't have THAT much power?!

Ford pardoned Nixon for any crimes he committed while President. The President has a lot of weird powers related to pardons, with no checks or reviews. George W Bush commuted Scooter Libby's 30 month prison sentence without actually pardoning him, after Libby intentionally released classified information to the public. There was no outrage from the Republicans.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Did the Republicans not give Obama the finger for almost his whole two terms when he attempted cross-party cooperation.

So why would the Democrats sign up to anything now. And especially more so considering the deplorables have put a shifty as fuck orangutan into the chair.

Frustrate as much as possible before putting Bernie up against the charlatan in 4 years time should be the play.

And who knows, maybe one of the numerous women he's assaulted might get something to stick before his term is up.

That would be my preference.

[gimmick]

Lol of course he's a disaster and everyone smart in business knows that. That doesn't mean people can't make money off it in the short term. Plenty of people made a killing leading in to the latest crash.

The way the markets see it his actual policy plans will at least somewhat reflect what he has said about his plans for the future instead of being completely reversed. And it's assumed GOP will support him on this. Please tell me how that's a stretch in any world?

So you think he's going to completely flip-flop on everything he has said about energy companies. That he's suddenly in favor of heavier regulation in an industry that he has personally invested in to. Markets are kinda skeptical about that.

Big pharma gains huge from lesser regulation and the end to all talks about silly price caps.

One fair criticism of Trump was that he was non-specific with most of his plan details. He's also been known to change certain extreme views when there is a backlash (think the Muslim situation).

I think it is foolish at this point to try to analyze too closely the loose plans he made while running.

For example, you keep mentioning big pharma, but I do not recall any Trump rhetoric backing that industry's interests. I think you are extrapolating too much and automatically assuming he's going to be a friend of the most derided large industries in the nation.

Everyone feels so much uncertainty right now because it's difficult to determine what a Trump Presidency will look like. Somehow you're the only guy in the world who seems to have it all figured out.

Most of the time water follows the path of least resistance. Things that are most likely to happen are those where Trumps views are in line with the views of the GOP. And that's not something i'm just saying, that's what the markets are also saying.

There's not that many things Trump feels strongly for or against. He is for his own short term gain at the expense of everyone. I'm not saying everything he does is always costly to others but that he just doesn't care who he hurts as long as he gains something. There's a long track record for that. It's also consistent with narcissism.

I'm not assuming he's a friend of big pharma. Trump's only friend is Trump. Their interests just aren't opposed and that's good enough for big pharma.

It's not that hard to see the direction of things.

[Charham]

pull around the corner in rush hour with a car full of kids, and its a protest. Greaaaaat. that added 2 hours to my night. My son's quote was the best, "at least they are not on top of the cars". Protestors were in the many thousands, mostly kids, all pretty emotional. I had to walk the kids through the crowds, my guys were fortunately too young to read all the "grab this pussy signs", etc. pretty funny stuff. Ill add mostly white crowd, chanting "black lives matter".

[Shizzmoney]

If you go by what the markets say, the big winners of election would be private prisons, fossil fuel companies, big pharma and the banks. As with brexit the medium to long term effect to markets highly depend on how little the supporters get. The less they get the better off they are.

With brexit there's no positive outcome for the future. It's just a matter of how much it will cost. With Trump giving Reaganomics another try markets are going to love that in the short term. Who doesn't love tax breaks and money dumped to the markets. In the long term it's a monte carlo system of economics.

How the money is spent in politics now, there might not be enough resistance to remind people that you already tried this the last time you were fawning over making america great again. On the other hand i'd guess it's assumed that all the talk about protectionism (tariffs, hindering workforce) just goes away and at best Trump supporters get some watered down version of it. Mostly because it's just bad for everyone from the perspective of the markets. What the domestic companies get isn't worth the risk of recession.

If the market tanked today, you would have written that it's indicative that everyone smart in business knows that Trump will be a disaster for the country.

Looks like you massage the existing data to fit your narrative, no matter what.

Even if you dislike Trump, you can't automatically cast him as a friend of big pharma, big oil, etc. We will have to see his actual policy plans before drawing any of these type of conclusions. His election rhetoric did not necessarily favor these industries.

Markets are up because the GOP won today across the board in terms of Senate seats and local elections, nvm the POTUS race.

Wall St knows that the corporate tax breaks they would get under Clinton will be even bigger under Trump. Also, thanks to the overall uncertainty that a Trump presidency brings to the overall running of the system (since he hasn't been in office before), moar QE is likely from the Fed, which means for free money for big banks, investors, and corporate stock buyback plans.

I work at a pharma in MA. The CEO, who is a #nevertrump Republican, sent the company an email today on how Trump's campaign was unprecedented in terms of the things he's said and done, and his shaky character as a person. But, in the end of the email, this CEO went onto say, "today had some great results; with new Republican leadership across the country, we will go back to what made our industry great: corporate repatriation for our off-shore tax havens, the stop of the draconian attacks on drug prices by government, and the restoration of a pro-business agenda that will make our company grow!"

This is all LOL because after hearing for month from this guy in town halls and speeches from this CEO on how Trump was bad for America, literally shitting on him every chance he got.......the guy goes on and praises him and his party and blasts the Democrats (who are the most pro-business in their history; which is why they fucking got their asses kicked) declaring the result a win for big pharma. I mean, Obama won in 2012, we got a major selloff....and now we are back to all time highs.

Big oil wins too, because now they can frack the shit out of any land without any interference from the Great Orange Leader. Granted, that fracking might cause a earthquake that splits the continent in two.....but at least markets will still be up.

In the end, rich (white) people always win. In the Capitalism Premier League, they are undefeated. Civil rights don't matter to investors. Workers rights don't matter to investors; they'd actually prefer they would have none at all. All they care about is if the future policies will benefit their balances sheets. And they have concluded that despite Trump's love of grabbing pussy, he will be great for their balance sheets.

Additionally, and of course this is the conspiratorial part of the rant: algos make up 75%+ of the trading today. I am sure the big banks and the Central Banks made sure to coordinate that no matter what happened yesterday, that markets would NOT be allowed to crash if they could help it.

The 1% is fine. It's the rest of us, I worry about.

[hongkonger]

Unfortunately your gun was never in danger despite what the kooks say.

I wish Hillary had actually said what all the kooks said she did. The second amendment should be repealed and all guns confiscated pronto.

Well, thankfully Trump will appoint the next three Supreme Court Justices and you'll never see that shit happen in your lifetime.

RBG and Breyer will hold on with everything they've got to avoid being replaced by yet another illegitimate rethuglican president.

[Gordman]

I think someone else asked this earlier somewhere here, but my question is:

How can a president pardon someone who hasn't even been charged or convicted of a crime?

I mean, is that for real? Is there an actual loophole that allows the Prez to do that?



Next question is, what about the Clinton Foundation? I mean, she and the foundation are obviously under investigation at this time. Will anything come of it? who knows...i can't imagine something not coming of it due to some of the evidence already uncovered, but I highly doubt Obama can pardon her for something concerning this, right??

I mean, please tell me the president doesn't have THAT much power?!

Ford pardoned Nixon for any crimes he committed while President. The President has a lot of weird powers related to pardons, with no checks or reviews. George W Bush commuted Scooter Libby's 30 month prison sentence without actually pardoning him, after Libby intentionally released classified information to the public. There was no outrage from the Republicans.

Some of this shit simply shouldn't be allowed. I know, all parties are guilty of it.


Also, since you bring up Scooter Libby, here is a counterpoint:


https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ter-libby-felt

[hongkonger]

Hillary won the popular vote, and if american elections made any sense she would be president.

Trump is illegitimate.

If elections made any sense, she wouldn't have even been the candidate.

Nor would Trump

[Dan Druff]

I think someone else asked this earlier somewhere here, but my question is:

How can a president pardon someone who hasn't even been charged or convicted of a crime?

I mean, is that for real? Is there an actual loophole that allows the Prez to do that?



Next question is, what about the Clinton Foundation? I mean, she and the foundation are obviously under investigation at this time. Will anything come of it? who knows...i can't imagine something not coming of it due to some of the evidence already uncovered, but I highly doubt Obama can pardon her for something concerning this, right??

I mean, please tell me the president doesn't have THAT much power?!

Ford pardoned Nixon for any crimes he committed while President. The President has a lot of weird powers related to pardons, with no checks or reviews. George W Bush commuted Scooter Libby's 30 month prison sentence without actually pardoning him, after Libby intentionally released classified information to the public. There was no outrage from the Republicans.

How do you feel about Bill Clinton's pardon of Mark Rich after he donated $1,000,000 to the construction of the Clinton Library?

[Draymond]

I think someone else asked this earlier somewhere here, but my question is:

How can a president pardon someone who hasn't even been charged or convicted of a crime?

I mean, is that for real? Is there an actual loophole that allows the Prez to do that?



Next question is, what about the Clinton Foundation? I mean, she and the foundation are obviously under investigation at this time. Will anything come of it? who knows...i can't imagine something not coming of it due to some of the evidence already uncovered, but I highly doubt Obama can pardon her for something concerning this, right??

I mean, please tell me the president doesn't have THAT much power?!

Ford pardoned Nixon for any crimes he committed while President. The President has a lot of weird powers related to pardons, with no checks or reviews. George W Bush commuted Scooter Libby's 30 month prison sentence without actually pardoning him, after Libby intentionally released classified information to the public. There was no outrage from the Republicans.

You got fucking blown out last night. You are correct though, you had probably the worst candidate in the history of candidates. Both parties need new blood. But fuck, you made a total fucking fool out of yourself the last 3 months on this board.

[Gordman]

The most tangible difference today is that your gun is safe.

Sturm Ruger & Smith & Wesson got shellacked cause the last minute sales should tail off. Pre Hillary panic retail sales will cease.

Already America is better off

FANG & MSFT down in up market. Hmmm

Unfortunately your gun was never in danger despite what the kooks say.

I wish Hillary had actually said what all the kooks said she did. The second amendment should be repealed and all guns confiscated pronto.

Really? Yes, they were.

Also, in no uncertain terms, she did make veiled comments thaty something should happen with the 2nd Amendment/confiscating weapons.

Also, for a good example as to liberal policies and more that could have been implemented in the future, you can look no further than even more gun control measures passed in heavily liberal California. You even need a permit to by ammo. If the authorities "think you might be a threat" they can confiscate them... tons of other ridiculous rules.

Plus, Hillary would most certainly appoint liberal Justices to the Supreme Court...from there she could to anything she wants.




That aside, I've said it before, and ill say it again: When it comes to American civilians, this day and age, democrats and people who have guns illegally have committed FAR more homicides (numbers around 90%) and shootings than anyone on the right has; This is a fact.

Legal gun owners altogether have over 300 million guns and billions of rounds of ammo; believe me, if we were really a problem, you'd know it.

[Gordman]

If elections made any sense, she wouldn't have even been the candidate.

Nor would Trump

I completely agree with this.

But here we are

[Corrigan]

Big Dick has been 100% right for months on this election and I'm sure he's going to make a good bit of cash from online betting come November.


lol "Trump wants to change things for the good in America" - dude is a low-rent canival barker who is running on ego and blow. He doesn't give 2 shits about anyone other than himself.

might be time to change your signature unless you're trying to give him props for being right

Nah he nailed it back then, going to leave it up.

[Corrigan]

illegitimate rethuglican president.

jesus hk, you're better than this - you're beginning to sound like ftpjesus

[Dan Druff]

[DJ_Chaps]

Well, thankfully Trump will appoint the next three Supreme Court Justices and you'll never see that shit happen in your lifetime.

RBG and Breyer will hold on with everything they've got to avoid being replaced by yet another illegitimate rethuglican president.

Illegitimate? Fuck off.

[abrown83]

Ohhhhh shit, these protests are great.

"No one should ever be deported, no one should ever have to go back to where they came from."

"California has been supporting this country forever. "

"Think about the children and the environment and the children."

FML these protests are hilarious.

*These are actual word for word quotes.

[blake]

Well, thankfully Trump will appoint the next three Supreme Court Justices and you'll never see that shit happen in your lifetime.

RBG and Breyer will hold on with everything they've got to avoid being replaced by yet another illegitimate rethuglican president.

i would expect this kind of talk from the infowars crowd if hillary won, but not from an educated person whose candidate got crushed. he's pretty far from illegitimate

[Mintjewlips]

You're totally right hongkonger, trump is illegitimate.

Hilary actually could have demanded recounts in a few states that were pretty close. I just don't understand why she didn't fight to the end, all of the billion plus that was invested in her by special interest groups, and yet she still didn't contest it. She legitamily had a case for a recount in key swing states yet she just didn't bother, really starting to wonder why.

Maybe someone can explain it to me

[Mintjewlips]

You're totally right hongkonger, trump is illegitimate.

Hilary actually could have demanded recounts in a few states that were pretty close. I just don't understand why she didn't fight to the end, all of the billion plus that was invested in her by special interest groups, and yet she still didn't contest it. She legitamily had a case for a recount in key swing states yet she just didn't bother, really starting to wonder why.

Maybe someone can explain it to me

Oooo i see, they could potentially find "suspicious irregularities" that would have shown Donald did actually have a land slide victory if it wasn't for "malfunctions" that were never detected or just weren't dealt with.

But oh no that never happens its just a conspiracy theory, because we all know that although the average age of a poll worker is probably 65, and aren't competent enough to work a flip phone, they are very qualified to handle the latest in voting equipment.

God i wish she would have contested it, it would have been the final nail in that cunts coffin, along with the rest of her sniveling cult sycophants that do her bidding.