I have been putting a lot of effort into collecting a 6 month old debt from Douglas Conway. (FatalFlaws on 2p2 and Unifro/FatalFlaws on New Jersey sites) I’m making this post because I believe he freerolled a $1,000 bet without any intention of paying last April and then proceeded to waste a ridiculous amount of my time and energy.
He seems to think he can twist the situation and convince me that he is actually trying very hard to pay the $1k and the fact that he hasn’t paid yet is my fault.
I believe he doesn’t have the money and this whole thing is a result of his ego, I have reminded him many times that if the amount was an issue we could work out some payment plan without interest, no problem. I wouldn’t be making this post if he admitted he was broke and would start paying $40 a month or whatever. Here’s one example of his reactions when I mention him possibly not being able to afford it.
“lol, are you really dumb enough to believe that I don't have 1k or are you just trolling? I tend to think you're trolling”
-The bet was whether Doug Conway or George Cicak (Cicakman) would have have a higher total amount won on NJ Partypoker during an online series last April (NJCOP) for $1k. Only main events that they both played counted. Cicak made the bet and I took some the action. George won.
-Doug lives in Cherry Hill ~60 miles from Atlantic City. Both George and I live over 120 miles from AC without a car. (when I’m not catching a ride with a friend, its usually bus out of Manhattan)
End of April
During the last weekend of the series, Doug offered to call off the bet. When George declined, Doug said that he could meet up that Monday at Borgata to settle the bet. George wasn’t able to make the trip that day and figured they could work something else out later.. (all of this was prior to the bet being determined)
Doug later uses this as his first example of proof that he is not broke, or a scammer, and that George and I are the ones making things difficult.
May-June
Doug disappeared without notice immediately following the series for about two months. No attempts of communication, no activity on any forums or poker sites.
About two months later (around the last week of June) he returned and provided the following explanation after I called him a scammer:
“I have been out of the country for the past two months. Before I left, however, I offered to meet at the borgata (again, I already told you this). So, no I am not a scammer or whatever else you were implying I am.”
July
George handled communication with Doug while in Vegas for the WSOP. Requested the money be sent via paypal or bank transfer. It didn’t happen. Not much effort was put into either collecting or paying the debt.
August
Around August I became more and more involved and George was ready to write it off as a scam and be done with it.
Doug understood I was financially interested, and after confirming this with George, began working with me to figure out a way to get either George or myself the money primarily through pms on 2p2. All of the quotes I’m going to include are directly from these pms.
I believe he doesn’t have the money so one of the first things I told him, and also reminded him of many times after is that if the amount was an issue we could work out some payment plan no problem. I wouldn’t be making this post if he admitted he was broke and would start paying $40 a month or whatever. Here’s one example of his reactions when I mention him possibly not being able to afford it.
“lol, are you really dumb enough to believe that I don't have 1k or are you just trolling? I tend to think you're trolling”
After many pms Dougs it became clear he was going to be making this very difficult.
He refused to send the money in any way- no bank deposit, no bank wire or transfer of any sort, no check by mail, no western union nothing. I suggested every option I could think of - he claims it would put him at risk to deposit or send the money to either of us since he wouldn’t know whose bank account it really was and would be responsible if we did something illegal. (wtf)
I’ve also offered to pay any fees from the balance.
Some of his explanations regarding not sending money:
“Depositing money into an unknown bank account is not my idea of secure, especially considering I have no way of knowing who that account belongs to and what other things that account may be used for. There are legal implications at play that you obviously do not realize. The issue is not the reliability of the transaction or any doubt that you will receive the funds.”
“I have had friends that have had many things go wrong with western union transactions, on top of which western union is known to be a method of sending money for people who do not want to go through usual channels for obvious reasons. I am just not comfortable using western union. I think it is reasonable for me to feel this way.”
“I've explained to you already why i'm not comfortable making a deposit into a random bank account and western union is also shady. Getting to AC is not an issue.”
“Actually to make a deposit you only need the account number, but that is irrelevant. If I deposit funds into an account that is later found to be used in connection with illegal activities I can be held responsible legally. This is my concern regarding depositing money into a random account. “
(after I told him I thought he was wrong)
“Where did you get your law degree from? I know for a fact that this is the case. Banks have this revolutionary thing that watches who comes into the bank and conducts transactions, they're called cameras. Maybe you've heard of them?”
After realizing he wasn’t budging on this I shifted to finding a time to meet up in AC.
I constantly asked him work out a date on when we could both be there. This eventually became me begging him to simply tell me any day he would be there and I would work around his schedule.
September
Luckily George and I would be there for most of the Borgata Open in September for about 2-3 weeks. He could show up pretty much any time and one of us would be able to meet up.
Doug thought that it would be unreasonable for him to make it any time during the series because of an online series running on PartyPoker scheduled at the same time (GSSS). He did not find playing at Borgata from a room, or the Online Players Lounge acceptable. (He also did not play every day during the online series and when he did it was mostly $2 and $5 satellites, skipping many events. How convienient.
“After gss I will be happy to meet up to settle”
“I will continue to try until it's paid. I can settle as soon as it's possible to meet up to settle. For me that is after gss.”
“Sometime shortly after gss I can meet, surely you can understand that I cannot give an exact date at this moment.”
So the day after the series ended I sent him a message and he told me...
“GSS ended yesterday, seriously... I just spent the last 14 days playing non stop poker, and fyi I did just fine. Pls give me some time to decompress.”
October
I already felt like an idiot for letting things go on so long, so this is when I started threatening to go public and make this post.
A few days later he sent me this message at noon….
“If you do any of that I will sue you for libel. I will be at borg today if one of you two clowns wants to come and meet me. I'll be in high limit, shouldn't be too hard to find it's usually pretty dead during the week.”
I didnt read it untill it was to late to get down there but offered to come down the next day.
“You said give you a time and a place and I did. Yet again you or glytter can't be there. I guess I will have to try again... I won't be there tomorrow.”
More threats about what he will do if I call him out publicly:
“If you do that, not only will I not pay you, but I assure you by the end of it all you will be paying me a significant amount of money in damages. This is not a "silly" threat, if it's one thing I am not short of it's attorneys who like to file "silly" lawsuits. I'll let you know the next time I'm going to be in AC, that's the best I can do.”
“You do that and you'll regret it big time, I promise you that.”
“If you make any such post saying that I am a scammer or anything to that effect I will not pay. Otherwise I will continue to try to pay. “
I told him all I needed was a date and 48 hours notice. Any date in the next 2 weeks, and I could be in AC.
“48 hours in advance lmao, I don't even know where I'll be/what I'll be doing 48 hours in advance. If I don't know, how the hell am I supposed to tell you???”
As a last effort before posting this, I told him I would be in AC from the 13-15 (earlier this week). If he could meet then, this would all be over. He told me he would let me know. He didn’t sign on again untill the following on the 14th…
“If you're still going to be in AC on the 16th I could probably make it down there.”
I responded, telling him I would stay an extra day to meet him. He did not log on or reply untill 7 pm on the 16th. (I believe he assumed I would of been home or on my way home by this point.)
Entire PM: “midnight in high limit room does that work?”
Luckily I wasn’t far and able to get there.
I sat in the empty high limit room from 11:59 pm to 12:30 am like an idiot. Knowing the whole time he wouldn’t show. Sent him a bunch of pissed off pms. Then at 8am this morning I get the following -
“lol all this nonsense and you don't even show, hilarious...thanks for making me waste 2 hours of my life”
“I was there, you were not. I don't know what games you're playing here man.”
So there you have it, my nightmare of a time getting scammed by Douglas Conway, and then stupidly allowing him to waste my time. If I included full pms, it could of been a lot longer.
I hope he responds so he can tell everyone how I’m really the one thats making it difficult for him to get me the money he owes.
I doubt he ever was or will pay off the bet, but if he does I will update this thread.
