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Worth a listen. Mason talks about some business he had with Annie in the mid-90's, with predictable results. From the pokercast at 4.
MP3 file: http://twitc.com/me/821751602678/pokercastmal.mp3
Touches on some other stuff, like Dutch and the lawsuit at the very end.
20 minutes-ish.
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Cliffs that I got so far
-Mason was 1/3 of 330k investment for pokerworld magazine
-Lederer was 1/3 investor and sought 1/3 of board membership
-Duke convinced other 1/3 investor to give her full control so she could make the company 5 million in a year instead of steady 100k a year
-Mason sells shares
-Annie bankrupts company spending crazy $$$ on advertising AND SHE PAID HERSELF 40k a year
-Annie gets sued by multiple companies too and they tried to sue Mason
-Mason says Negreanu saying people should get hit by bats is despicable and he has been detrimental in some ways to the FTP situation
Mason says Annie Duke is dishonest, Daniel Negreanu displays bad behavior and Howard Lederer is honorable. Mason also thinks he won vs. Dutch Boyd. Mason actually lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
In my opinion, Malmuth's heavy handed approach in dealing with the relatively minor Dutch Boyd domain name incident reveals why the purveyor of two plus two has such a terrible reputation with some in the poker world.
I've never met Mason Malmuth. I have read his books. They are very good. Still, some feel Mason Malmuth is one of the biggest assholes in poker.
A little digging reveals why.
Another Pathetic Mason Malmuth Tale Unfolding...
Mason Malmuth Scrapping TwoPlusTwo Strategy Archives?...
The Five Most Hated People in Poker...
Dutch Boyd made virtually no money off the disputed domain name and actually returned it to Mason's lawyers BEFORE the lawsuit. There was no harm, no foul.
Yet Malmuth wanted big money from Dutch to end the dispute. What kind of man behaves this way?
Dutch did not buckle under Malmuth's legal threats so Mason instructed his lawyers to go full throttle with a lawsuit over a $10 domain name.
Mason Malmuth wasted time and tens of thousands of dollars over nothing.
He 'wins' a summary judgment against Dutch Boyd. I think he was awarded @$34,000 in lawyer fees and $25,000 in statutory damages. It gets some press so Mason feels like a winner. He is not.
Dutch Boyd is a very intelligent man. He graduated from law school at 18!
He knows he can appeal the summary judgement. He knows if a bond is required there are exceptions made for financial hardship. Dutch can drag this out for as long as he desires. During the appeal process Mason cannot execute the judgement. He can't collect a dime.
Plus, Dutch Boyd holds an ace in the hole. If he doesn't prevail in his appeals, he can file bankruptcy at any time. It's inexpensive to do so and it will wipe out Mason Malmuth's judgment.
Malmuth will get nothing, nada, zippo. He will be left with @$34,000 (much more with appeals) in lawyer fees and the knowledge that he is a laughingstock in the poker community.
Mason Malmuth can't win.
However, if you've ever read his books, you know the guy is smart. So why would Mason Malmuth waste so much time and so much money over a trivial dispute he knows he can't win?
Perhaps it's because the guy is just a certifiable first class asshole.
In addition to writing the 5 most hated people article cited above, here is another classic example of Malmuthian douchebaggery involving Haley Hintze from my blog: http://burbspoker.blogspot.com/2011/...self-into.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPeteMason says Annie Duke is dishonest, Daniel Negreanu displays bad behavior and Howard Lederer is honorable. Mason also thinks he won vs. Dutch Boyd. Mason actually lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
In my opinion, Malmutt's heavy handed approach in dealing with the relatively minor Dutch Boyd domain name incident reveals why the purveyor of two plus two has such a terrible reputation with some in the poker world.
I've never met Mason Malmutt. I have read his books. They are very good. Still, some feel Mason Malmutt is one of the biggest assholes in poker.
A little digging reveals why.
Another Pathetic Mason Malmuth Tale Unfolding...
Mason Malmuth Scrapping TwoPlusTwo Strategy Archives?...
The Five Most Hated People in Poker...
Dutch Boyd made virtually no money off the disputed domain name and actually returned it to Mason's lawyers BEFORE the lawsuit. There was no harm, no foul.
Yet Malmutt wanted big money from Dutch to end the dispute. What kind of man behaves this way?
Dutch did not buckle under Malmutt's legal threats so Mason instructed his lawyers to go full throttle with a lawsuit over a $10 domain name.
Mason Malmutt wasted time and tens of thousands of dollars over nothing.
He 'wins' a summary judgment against Dutch Boyd. I think he was awarded @$34,000 in lawyer fees and $25,000 in statutory damages. It gets some press so Mason feels like a winner. He is not.
Dutch Boyd is a very intelligent man. He graduated from law school at 18!
He knows he can appeal the summary judgement. He knows if a bond is required there are exceptions made for financial hardship. Dutch can drag this out for as long as he desires. During the appeal process Mason cannot execute the judgement. He can't collect a dime.
Plus, Dutch Boyd holds an ace in the hole. If he doesn't prevail in his appeals, he can file bankruptcy at any time. It's inexpensive to do so and it will wipe out Mason Malmutt's judgment.
Malmutt will get nothing, nada, zippo. He will be left with @$34,000 (much more with appeals) in lawyer fees and the knowledge that he is a laughingstock in the poker community.
Mason Malmutt can't win.
However, if you've ever read his books, you know the guy is smart. So why would Mason Malmutt waste so much time and so much money over a trivial dispute he knows he can't win?
Perhaps it's because the guy is just a certifiable first class asshole.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPeteMason says Annie Duke is dishonest, Daniel Negreanu displays bad behavior and Howard Lederer is honorable. Mason also thinks he won vs. Dutch Boyd. Mason actually lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
In my opinion, Malmutt's heavy handed approach in dealing with the relatively minor Dutch Boyd domain name incident reveals why the purveyor of two plus two has such a terrible reputation with some in the poker world.
I've never met Mason Malmutt. I have read his books. They are very good. Still, some feel Mason Malmutt is one of the biggest assholes in poker.
A little digging reveals why.
Another Pathetic Mason Malmuth Tale Unfolding...
Mason Malmuth Scrapping TwoPlusTwo Strategy Archives?...
The Five Most Hated People in Poker...
Dutch Boyd made virtually no money off the disputed domain name and actually returned it to Mason's lawyers BEFORE the lawsuit. There was no harm, no foul.
Yet Malmutt wanted big money from Dutch to end the dispute. What kind of man behaves this way?
Dutch did not buckle under Malmutt's legal threats so Mason instructed his lawyers to go full throttle with a lawsuit over a $10 domain name.
Mason Malmutt wasted time and tens of thousands of dollars over nothing.
He 'wins' a summary judgment against Dutch Boyd. I think he was awarded @$34,000 in lawyer fees and $25,000 in statutory damages. It gets some press so Mason feels like a winner. He is not.
Dutch Boyd is a very intelligent man. He graduated from law school at 18!
He knows he can appeal the summary judgement. He knows if a bond is required there are exceptions made for financial hardship. Dutch can drag this out for as long as he desires. During the appeal process Mason cannot execute the judgement. He can't collect a dime.
Plus, Dutch Boyd holds an ace in the hole. If he doesn't prevail in his appeals, he can file bankruptcy at any time. It's inexpensive to do so and it will wipe out Mason Malmutt's judgment.
Malmutt will get nothing, nada, zippo. He will be left with @$34,000 (much more with appeals) in lawyer fees and the knowledge that he is a laughingstock in the poker community.
Mason Malmutt can't win.
However, if you've ever read his books, you know the guy is smart. So why would Mason Malmutt waste so much time and so much money over a trivial dispute he knows he can't win?
Perhaps it's because the guy is just a certifiable first class asshole.
Just logged in to say that I am becoming a fan of sixtoedpete.
That is all.
I was trying to work out the motivation for the Mason domain name bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
There's been two cases brought - Dutch Boyd and Anthony Scocozza. Why go after these guys? I've got a feeling it might be because of their close association with Donkdown. Boyd has been a known guest on radio over the years. Scocozza is a pseudonym for a long standing donkdown forum member.
Mason's hatred for the site is well known. He must hate the fact that all the stuff he wants to censor on 4 just crops up on donkdown (and no doubt on PFA now too). I wonder whether he just threw money at these cases as a warning shot to others, that he will go after anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Mason way of thinking with his big gun lawyers.
It's a poor showing on the legal system that these ruthless pricks with deep pockets can screw over the small guy who has very little protection as they can't afford to defend any action.
Druff correct me if I'm a little wrong here but didn't Sklansky once said he would pay $2000 to cost you $1000.
When you're up against this sort of bullshit with Sklansky/Mallmuth, all logic is left behind.
Druff can best address your theory but I think you're on to something. It's certainly plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belly BusterI was trying to work out the motivation for the Mason domain name bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
There's been two cases brought - Dutch Boyd and Anthony Scocozza. Why go after these guys? I've got a feeling it might be because of their close association with Donkdown. Boyd has been a known guest on radio over the years. Scocozza is a pseudonym for a long standing donkdown forum member.
Mason's hatred for the site is well known. He must hate the fact that all the stuff he wants to censor on 4 just crops up on donkdown (and no doubt on PFA now too). I wonder whether he just threw money at these cases as a warning shot to others, that he will go after anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Mason way of thinking with his big gun lawyers.
It's a poor showing on the legal system that these ruthless pricks with deep pockets can screw over the small guy who has very little protection as they can't afford to defend any action.
Druff correct me if I'm a little wrong here but didn't Sklansky once said he would pay $2000 to cost you $1000.
When you're up against this sort of bullshit with Sklansky/Mallmuth, all logic is left behind.
Thanks for the link Crowe, interesting.
I must admit, there is a part of me that kind of likes Malmuth, despite his decided lack of charisma. Anyone that just doesn't give a fuck if he is liked, runs a conservative, but successful business focusing on what they know, and can clip a low-rent n-word like Boyd, with a history of theft, who is standing on his corner trying to poach earns my respect a little. LOL at Boyd=genius, maybe once, before mental illness and psychiatric drugs addled his brain, but at this point, he's a semi-coherent, rambling, bipolar piss drinker living on stakes/handouts. He wrote all his brilliant legal strategy about how he was going to beat this, and then they took him to the woodshed in court. The money, 34k, is dick to Malmuth to send a message, and highly effective if he doesn't want to see all his books ending up on scribd or other sharing sites. Boyd dinking some tourney isn't out of the realm of possibility either, thus he has a small % to collect. Certainly not a barrel of monkeys, but for a geeky stat guy he has done pretty well for himself in business, particularly when having to keep his freak Sklansky on a leash. I think he can come off as a condescending douche, and I don't agree with all of his actions, but I like what he did with Boyd just on principle.
Dutch Boyd has addressed his online poker start up numerous times. Even his critics admit Dutch didn't take the players' money and run. To be fair, his poker site was screwed by payment processors who did steal players' money. This went on for several weeks before Poker Spot could make adjustments.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
It absolutely devastated the business. In an effort to right a sinking ship Boyd admitted he was not honest about the situation in communications with players. Had he revealed his company was the victim of a huge fraud by payment processors, he would have been out of business in 48 hours.
I'm not defending his actions after he realized payment processors had stolen so much money, but I can understand that he was trying to buy time to save the company.
Even after the shit hit the fan, Boyd worked on buy out deals that would have made the players right. However, the investors' draconian demands on Boyd's freedom to earn a living doomed those negotiations.
Sure he made mistakes back when payment processing was a nebulous industry. To the extent that business failure and resulting criticism caused him stress and anxiety is testament to kind of person he is. His anguish showed he was not an amoral conman.
What's lost in the debacle is that Dutch Boyd was a visionary, a pioneer in online poker. He saw the potential long before the poker boom.
I don't agree with your claim that Mason Malmuth's spending $34,000 on a dispute over a $10 domain name, was 'dick' and a 'highly effective way to send a message'.
Dutch had returned the domain name to Mason's lawyers long before the lawsuit was filed. Mason's $34,000 'message' was senseless and foolish. In no way were Malmuth's actions based on 'principle'. He used a sledgehammer to swat a fly. Unfortunately for Malmuth, he missed. The fly will kick his ass.
As I explained in my earlier post, Mason Malmuth cannot win.
:this
In the Malmutt vs Boyd boxing match, Boyd comes out on top, but maybe by a split decision.
BCR maybe you should (re)listen to http://www.donkdown.com/components/c...3_19-04-25.mp3 dutch gives a candid view on events.
So Dutch being in his 30's now, forced to get welfare-level legal support with a back-up plan of declaring bankruptcy that will haunt him until he's 42 years old is a win, and a multi-millionaire spending 34k to bury someone who pissed him off is a loss? Interesting way of keeping score.
I don't give a shit about either, but Mason won't miss the 34k, while Dutch will be sweating his end of this deal.
The only one I feel sorry for is Yebsite, who was obviously framed.
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Originally Posted by Belly Buster
I'll give it a listen when I get done watching Ohio State. Thanks for the link.
Nice post Sixtoed, I didn't think it was possible, but I actually hate Mason Mal-piece-of-shit now more than ever.
Agreed, I kind of like Malmuths style. I don't agree with some stuff he does/stands for but the guy just don't give a fuck and sticks to his guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
GOD
Depends if it's a personal bankruptcy or the company he ran and purchased the site through, JackNames or something it was called.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
I have to agree. I wish I was rich and could bury anyone that fucked with me. Dutch is a piece of shit and was trying to make money off Mason's idea and figured no one would ever sue for such a thing, kind of a freeroll. My read is Dutch has done this several times and knew exactly what he was doing. He is the type of guy that is always looking for an angle and thinks he's smarter than everyone else. How can anyone possibly feel sorry for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacAgreed, I kind of like Malmuths style. I don't agree with some stuff he does/stands for but the guy just don't give a fuck and sticks to his guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
GOD
I'm sure it was never Dutch's 'back-up plan'. If you're at all familiar with our corrupt legal system, you will have to recognize it was the correct legal strategy from the get go.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
Your 'bankruptcy that will haunt him until he's 42 years old' remark carries little weight. During these tough economic times there is no stigma attached to filing a bankruptcy. The US economy is bankrupt.
Your 'welfare-level legal support' is also wrong. Dutch Boyd attended college when he was 12-years-old. He graduated law school at 18. He will seek competent legal advice if he wants to but he's also a lawyer and therefore capable of parrying Malmuth's legal 'sledgehammer' with ease.
Yes, throwing $34,000 into the fireplace in a foolish effort to 'bury someone who pissed him off...' is a huge loss.
Dutch Boyd is not sweating 'his end of this deal'. He's cool as a cucumber. Mason Malmuth suffers flop sweat from his ill-advised decision to pursue this doomed, foolish, expensive, no-win legal action.
'Keeping score'? It's already over.
Here's the headline, 'Dutch Boyd Wins In A Rout!'
As soon as you get lawyers involved, no-one wins except the lawyers.
So true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belly Buster
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" - 'King Henry VI'. (Act IV, Scene II) William Shakespeare.
While I enjoy SixToe's view of this whole thing, it is fairly silly to think that Dutch came out ahead in this whole thing somehow. I mean, if Mason had like a $60K a year income and spent that much on lawyers for a judgment he likely won't ever see, sure, Dutch wins the moral victory I guess. But that isn't the case, not by a longshot.
Mason is cold, humorless, vindictive, and a pretty f'n solid business man. He vigorously defends his intellectual property, like all good businesses would. Dutch is a terrible business man, and far from a sympathetic character, IMO. Dutch threw a rock at the 2p2 giant, or maybe just threw a rock that happened to hit the giant, and the giant smashed him for it. Sure it took some effort for the giant, but not a whole lot relatively, and the giant got satisfaction from it.
the giant won.
Pete, in general I am a big fan, but you being such a Dutch Boyd sympathizer is kind of annoying. Even if with the payment processor issue he is still ultimately responsible for paying those players and he had multiple opportunities to since then and still never made even a small effort to correct any of it, and he openly lied to his users. He also clearly registered that domain for either the potential to make profit or maliciously, either way it was wrong and he deserves to go through whatever he goes through over it.
Dick the Butcher, the anarchist buffoon? Fitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
Jack Cade: "There shall be in England seven half-penny loaves sold for a penny: the three-hoop'd pot shall have ten hoops; and I will make it felony to drink small beer: all the realm shall be in common; and in Cheapside shall my palfrey go to grass: and when I am king,- as king I will be ... I thank you, good people:- there shall be no money; all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord."
Dutch the Boyd: "The first thing we do... let's steal intellectual property for lulz and profit!"
Here is another quote: "The lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client."
Losing on summary judgment in a case such as this is Sofa King pathetic! (what's the standard? all he needed to do is raise a question of materal fact to require a jury trial?)
Malmuth is quite simply the living breathing example of Napoleon syndrome in the poker world. Small man with inferiority complex deep down. His inferiority complex of course is easily explained the Poker world as a whole knows Malmuth is a fraud the guy has never cashed let alone win a major poker tournament despite supposedly being some poker God. Now somebody said Mason had some success in BJ well Blackjack theory isnt the same as poker and Id dare say Andy Bloch and the MIT guys have the bible on BJ theory well versed. Masons obsession with Micon and the Donkdown/NWP crowd is well known to not only the long timers but even in the general poker community which I think alot find amusing especially when Mason went ape shit over the whole porno picture posted on NWP awhile back with Mason trying to force PN to have it removed. Now I have to ask the question to Druff because there is a rumor that supposed Mason or somebody on 2+2 told Druff he was welcome to return to 2+2 since he and Micon had parted ways. To me if true shows how idiotic any action taken against Druff was to begin with, that quite simply Druff was banned based on his association with Micon, if true, shows how petty minded Mason really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belly BusterI was trying to work out the motivation for the Mason domain name bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
There's been two cases brought - Dutch Boyd and Anthony Scocozza. Why go after these guys? I've got a feeling it might be because of their close association with Donkdown. Boyd has been a known guest on radio over the years. Scocozza is a pseudonym for a long standing donkdown forum member.
Mason's hatred for the site is well known. He must hate the fact that all the stuff he wants to censor on 4 just crops up on donkdown (and no doubt on PFA now too). I wonder whether he just threw money at these cases as a warning shot to others, that he will go after anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Mason way of thinking with his big gun lawyers.
It's a poor showing on the legal system that these ruthless pricks with deep pockets can screw over the small guy who has very little protection as they can't afford to defend any action.
Druff correct me if I'm a little wrong here but didn't Sklansky once said he would pay $2000 to cost you $1000.
When you're up against this sort of bullshit with Sklansky/Mallmuth, all logic is left behind.
:thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Belly Buster
Mason Malmuth's net worth does not mitigate his foolishness in spending @$34,000 to win control over a $10 domain name he already owned. There is no way around this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
Just because he has money, that makes his behavior OK, something to be admired? That's like saying if he boycotted Charmin over a minor beef and decided to wipe his ass with rolls of $100 bills, that's fine with you because he's wealthy and derived satisfaction flushing shit-stained C-notes down the toilet.
Even though there was no damage to 2plus2 while Boyd controlled the domain name and Dutch transferred the $10 name to Mason's lawyers, Malmuth imprudently continued to spend great gobs of money chasing a ten dollar name he already owned.
He was NOT protecting his 'intellectual property' and he was certainly NOT behaving like a wise businessman. It's reasonable to imagine Dutch felt that Malmuth was acting like a bully shakedown artist as he demanded $15,000 to make the problem go away.
Mason left Dutch no option except to defend himself and thereby win in the end.
My comments about Dutch Boyd being defrauded by payment processors were only meant to balance other posters' one-sided criticisms about that incident. It's important to know the full story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasep
Dutch may have pursued an ill-advised IM strategy with that $10 domain name but there was never any 'malice'. It's crucial to remember Boyd made no money with the domain name AND RETURNED IT TO MASON long before the lawsuit was filed.
You seem to believe Dutch deserved to be a victim of what some feel is legal extortion. I do not.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
Well sooner or later, that Charmin toilet paper roll is gonna be worth more than those $100 bills, anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
If you assume any publicity is good publicity, Mason picked a good target and got his 34k worth. Any extra personal satisfaction he may have felt in sinking Dutch was just added value. Plus, you know Mason has sued enough people to have some friendly lawyers working on his behalf. I highly doubt he is out $34k.
LOL. Sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShizzmoneyWell sooner or later, that Charmin toilet paper roll is gonna be worth more than those $100 bills, anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
If you 'assume' your aunt has a big pair of balls, well then, she's actually your uncle.Quote:
Originally Posted by v12cl
If you 'assume' Mason Malmuth's lawyers worked pro bono, your uncle has a fool for a nephew.
Before I give my takes on this, keep in mind that I don't like Mason Malmuth, he likely HATES me, and I am banned from his forum despite the fact that he admits I never broke a rule there.
Domain squatting is stealing. It may not be criminally punishable, but there are civil remedies against it (as demonstrated by Malmuth in the Boyd case), and these are always justified.
Basically, domain squatters take either your brand or your personal name, register a domain for themselves with that (or a very similar) name, and seek to earn a profit from internet traffic meant for you or your company. It's leechy, bottom-feeding behavior, and domain squatters deserve zero sympathy in the few cases where they get comeuppance.
This is especially true when the domain squatting is being done for profit (as it was by Dutch), rather than out of personal vendetta. I can at least have a little bit of respect for the domain squatter doing it to fuck with someone they don't like. I mean, I'm not saying that's right, but at least that person can somewhat justify it by saying, "This person did XXXX to me, so this is what I'm doing back to them."
Domain squatting for profit targets people and businesses simply because they're notable, and money can be made by stealing their internet traffic.
Dutch made a really lame excuse as to why he registered twoplustwopoker.com. He claimed it was during a domain registration frenzy of his, and that it was one of about 400 poker-related domain names he registered. He claimed he "didn't think about stealing Two Plus Two's traffic" when registering it. Bullshit. Two Plus Two is a brand name. If it were not for twoplustwo.com and Two Plus Two Publishing (both Mason's companies), the term "Two Plus Two" would have absolutely nothing to do with poker. It is only associated with poker because of Mason's companies. This is important because it's not like Dutch registered "royalflushpoker.com" and the owner of "royalflush.com" sued him. It stands to reason that many people would want to register royalflushpoker.com even without knowing about royalflush.com. Nobody would ever register twoplustwopoker.com unless they were looking to steal twoplustwo.com's traffic.
Simply put, Dutch stole Mason's traffic, Mason sued him, Dutch lost, and that's completely fair and right.
Dutch claims that he gave twoplustwo.com back to Mason when asked for it. I'm not sure about that. Did Dutch give it back IMMEDIATELY upon being asked, or only after some pressure and legal threats? I doubt this because I know someone personally who had his domain grabbed by Dutch when he let it expire, and Dutch made him pay in order to get it back. It's very possible that Dutch tried to negotiate a price with Mason, and then Mason got pissed, hired a lawyer, and demanded the return. Sometime after that, Dutch returned the domain for free, and Mason still sued him. If that's what happened, then Mason did the right thing by suing Dutch, as he shouldn't have to spend money on lawyers to get his own property back.
If I were in Mason's shoes, I wouldn't have sued Dutch if he gave me twoplustwopoker.com immediately upon request. If he dicked me around and I had to get a lawyer involved, I would definitely sue him for whatever I could get at that point.
Regarding Dutch and Pokerspot, I agree that he walked away with no money, but he did two things very wrong:
1) He kept encouraging people to deposit when he knew the company was in huge trouble, acting as if everything was still fine. This was fraud.
2) He has made zero attempt to pay back anyone that got screwed by Pokerspot, instead blaming it all on the payment processor that screwed his company. While the payment processor DID indeed screw Pokerspot, that's on him for choosing that particular processor. The people trusting Pokerspot with their money were not trusting a faceless payment processor -- they were trusting Boyd and Pokerspot. When Pokerspot failed, it was on Pokerspot (and by extension Boyd) to make it right. Dutch chose not to because it was much easier to walk away than do the right thing and assume such a large debt.
Not that I'm prescient but with several earlier posts in this thread I've already addressed many of Druff's pertinent points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Some additional thoughts.
Domain squatting is not so cut and dry as Druff implies. Although many domain squatting lawsuits are legitimate and necessary it's important to recognize that lawyers and lawyers' lobbies were the catalyst for growth in this area of law. They made much more of this 'threat' than was warranted because lawyers are the true 'bottom feeders'. 2010 was a banner year for cybersquatting lawyer fees!
Purchasing a domain name similar to a popular existing domain name, even to garner traffic, is not always a violation of civil law and contrary to Druff's statement, penalties are not always justified. For example a couple of years ago, President Clinton lost his mediation case to someone who used these domain names:
williamclinton.com
williamjclinton.com
presidentbillclinton.com
http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/1256123.htm
And those domain names were all used to drive traffic to a GOP website! So when Druff says, 'Simply put, Dutch stole Mason's traffic, Mason sued him, Dutch lost, and that's completely fair and right', that is only Druff's opinion and one I do not share. Mason Malmuth's 'win' was only a summary judgement. Dutch Boyd deserved an honest resolution, a verdict and not a dismissive summary judgement which can be made without the defendant even being present. Dutch has appealed, plus as I mentioned in earlier posts, has other options that will preclude Malmuth from ever collecting a dime.
Recent greedy lawyers' actions and legitimate cases aside, when there has been an actionable violation the vast majority of such cases are resolved amicably out of court. There are also arbitration options that utilize the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy to work out such issues. Mason Malmuth never seriously pursued these 'fair and right' avenues.
Druff also makes huge leaps when painting a picture of what might have occurred during Malmuth's and Boyd's communications. That was pure speculation.
What we do know is Mason had control over the name long, long before the lawsuit was filed. Druff speculated that Dutch was trying to get money from Mason however Dutch has publicly stated it was Mason who demanded $15,000 from Dutch AFTER Mason had ownership of the domain name. Dutch has emails that prove this.
Druff's conjecture that Dutch pressed Mason for money falls flat when we know Dutch allowed the domain name registration to expire. How could he demand money for a domain he had no control over? (Even I have misstated in earlier posts that Dutch returned the $10 name but it seems Dutch had let it expire.) The only 'dicking around' was done by Malmuth.
I believe Malmuth's behavior in this matter reveals his character and is just another example of why he is so despised in the poker community.
Most of my posts in this thread addressed Mason Malmuth's podcast comments about the Dutch Boyd $10 domain name lawsuit. I only explained my take on the Poker Spot debacle to give readers a more complete understanding of what occurred because some posters brought up only part of the story. I agree it was fug-ugly but it is not germane to Malmuth's podast remarks or his despicably wasteful and foolish legal shenanigans.
Note. I just clicked the PresidentBillClinton.com domain name I mentioned above. It goes right to a Republican National Committee website!
Same goes for you dumb fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasep
It's LOL at the random gems you can find that Jasep posted in the past doing a forum search looking for some relevant topic name to post something under.
The only reason I'm bumping this is it came through for a Mason forum search and the Juan post made it a must bump.
Anyways, isn't Mason is just one of the most socially awkward individuals ever?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puUKbfYGOHk
Some of the stuff he says in this interview is full of shit he don't care about other sites besides 2+2 like he claims.
http://t.co/5MRYOy0sKa
Dutch Boyd Owes Two Plus Two $60K After U.S. District Court Upholds 2012 Judgement
May 05, 2014
After a more than five-year legal battle, Dutch Boyd is being forced to pay up.
On Friday, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a March 2012 judgement against Boyd, claiming he acted in bad faith in registering the domain name "twoplustwopoker.com." Two years ago, U.S. District Court Judge Kent Dawson ruled that the two-time World Series of Poker bracelet winner's infringement was "deliberate and willful," awarding Two Plus Two Publishing LLC. $25,000 in statutory damages and $33,985 in attorney fees.
"[It's] definitely a bad beat," Boyd told PokerNews on Monday. “I guess there is one more person rooting for me to have a really successful Series this summer.”
Two Plus Two first filed suit against Boyd and Anthony Scocozza in December of 2009, claiming the defendants' actions, "disrupted or are intended to disrupt Two Plus Two’s business by, among other things, diverting web users away from Two Plus Two’s Web sites and forums."
Mason Malmuth, owner of Two Plus Two, denied comment, saying that he will release a statement on the popular "News Views and Gossip" forum. He then wrote the following on the forum:
"We'll be making a statement in the near future. But we're very happy with this decision."
This isn't Boyd's first notable off-the-felt incident; in 2012 he publicly sold a 14k gold bracelet that he won in a preliminary event in the 2008 Five Diamond poker series held at Bellagio.
"It's a nice looking (sic) bracelet, but I've never worn it," he wrote at the time. "So I'm selling it to raise some Christmas cash."
Bryan Micon will quit smoking marijuana forever before Dutch Boyd pays Mason Malmuth $60,000.
:lol
Looks like Dutch will have to kickstart a coupla more poker books
Well, there ya go. Mason can edit Dutch's book and cut out the legal middleman. Then again, I've seen Mason's editing jobs. I think he uses a trowel and glue gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by zealanddonk