BetOnline Live Dealer cheating (video) and they possibly have hired former Absolute Poker Payment Processor Brent Beckley

I've watched the video in the clip and have played on this site. The thing is they don't need to cheat to win over the long run so the card could have just been stuck but the dealer clearly messes up.

They just recently went from 50% penetration to 25% on an 8 deck shoe for this particular dealer site and their hand shuffle seems very weak as well but I've never made much out of it.

http://calvinayre.com/2017/02/19/bus...ing-blackjack/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-OssVlvgc


From the article it also mentions this:

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BetOnline uses Costa Rica-based Global Gaming Labs (GGL) for its live casino service, which also offers live baccarat and roulette. GGL has also yet to publicly comment on the incident.

This is the second time this week that BetOnline has found itself in controversial crosshairs, following rumors that former Absolute Poker payments director Brent Beckley – fresh out of federal prison for Black Friday-related bank fraud charges – had joined the online sportsbook in an undetermined capacity.

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Here is a link to the Brent Beckley rumors:

http://calvinayre.com/2017/02/19/bus...ins-betonline/

Take me deeper here, how did he know he needed to take that card at that time...

If intentional how is that working?

watched this clip a few times...no fucking way that was a screw up...seems like he intentionally flicks the first card to deal the second...funny thing is is that 2 of the players weren't affected so he only really fucked the third player who would have broken even if he dealt it right...

need detective druff on the case...

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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis

watched this clip a few times...no fucking way that was a screw up...seems like he intentionally flicks the first card to deal the second...funny thing is is that 2 of the players weren't affected so he only really fucked the third player who would have broken even if he dealt it right...

need detective druff on the case...

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If he dealt it right, the 3rd player would have 19 and the dealer would be on 16 and drawing another card. Who knows, maybe they all lose. Looked like a brain dead dealer and nothing intentional.

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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis

watched this clip a few times...no fucking way that was a screw up...seems like he intentionally flicks the first card to deal the second...funny thing is is that 2 of the players weren't affected so he only really fucked the third player who would have broken even if he dealt it right...

need detective druff on the case...

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Don't get me wrong it looks very intentional to me too even though he seems distracted which is the only reason it might not be. The thing is he flicks his finger a few times that we see in the slow mode that makes it seem so suspect.

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Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece

Take me deeper here, how did he know he needed to take that card at that time...

If intentional how is that working?

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Even though they don't need to cheat to win and seems silly to do it given the house edge the greed to get money faster from people could make them do this shit.

A lot of things can happen to give live dealer blackjack additional edge. Someone can timeout not betting in time, their internet can fail mid hand,etc... They might get lucky to win a hand they normally wouldn't but more times then not they will lose more when this happens.

As for how the dealer could know what the next card is their could be a camera build in the scanner where maybe he has the ability to see something, is given a signal in the background, or told in a headset that the next card isn't good for him.

The 6 he was suppose to get will bust him frequently so if their is enough in placed bets the casino could pull this angle where a few people will win but not everyone.

I'm speculating a lot here of what could happen on these sites but how often sketchy stuff goes down and which sites are doing it who knows.

I'm sure this is just a huge misunderstanding...

but seriously it would take a whole lot of effort to pull this scam off just so you can occasionally flick up a card to beat someone out of a hundred dollars. You're really going to risk everything for that bet? Not to mention they know that there are tons of twitch people who stream these live bj games to thousands and thousands of people. The risk is out weighing the reward by a lot. Also I'd like to know how the hell they know what every single card in the shoe is?

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Originally Posted by lewfather

I'm sure this is just a huge misunderstanding...

but seriously it would take a whole lot of effort to pull this scam off just so you can occasionally flick up a card to beat someone out of a hundred dollars. You're really going to risk everything for that bet? Not to mention they know that there are tons of twitch people who stream these live bj games to thousands and thousands of people. The risk is out weighing the reward by a lot. Also I'd like to know how the hell they know what every single card in the shoe is?

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I thought the same thing about online poker and then full tilt happened...never underestimate the fucking abject stupidity of some business operators...

@BeerandPoker, thank you for giving clues as to how...

Man I just have a hard time thinking live on camera they would do this the old risk vs reward thing but as stated greed makes people do stupid things.

Forgive me but Brent Beckley and the innovative payment processors should be lauded by US players as brave heros and thanked for their service.

That Betonline is seeking out the best minds to overcome the absence of civil liberties in the US and provide a harmless service that our citizens value demonstrates its dedication to its customers.

My only concern is that Betonline didn't protect the identity and privacy of its humble servant. Of course, this raises Betonline's profile with the gestapo.

I'll not sit still for any inuendo.

In before Druff does another 3 hour radio piece on some 24 year old poker hot chick instead of Chad Elie.

Give me his damn number and I'll do the show with Kalwatt and Drexel
Druff has descended into a perversion of the PFA charter.

I'm with lewfather here.

No idea why the dealer flipped up the first card and grabbed the second, but it's hard to believe that he knew which one to grab, and the reward to BetOnline for this shenanigan was minimal.

Basically, the risk/reward ratio for the site to do such a thing was WAY too high.

You can't compare this to the superuser thing on AP/UB, which was VERY lucrative. You also can't compare this to the Full Tilt money theft, which was even more lucrative.

Regarding Beckley, he shouldn't have a job in poker.

That's the bigger problem here, and the bigger story.

He was heavily involved in the AP cheating. No one should hire him or trust him. I don't give a shit that he was arrested for payment processing. That part would have been fine. Chad Elie was also arrested for payment processing, and I like him. But Beckley is a stone cold poker cheat, and he has no place holding any position in poker, even if they think his expertise could be useful.

lets see what the dude has to say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EiWvN11nU

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cliffs....

he pranks bet online. nothing much else

There really wasn't any sarcasm in my post, Larry.

Not too much of a stretch to describe payment processing as civil disobedience and political prisoners.

Coincidently, I am a Betonline customer. My experience has been excellent. This is thanks in part to illegal payment processing.

I have availed myself of the history of online gaming. Particularly payment processing. I recognize the processors hold a float and often take it as a parting gift when they exit their relationship with the online site. I understand the stress this loss puts on the site and the risk it presents to my funds.

I am an educated and calculated consumer. I do not need big daddy to look out for my interests and I do not cry for those who are less well informed. I am not my brothers keeper.

That said....

Couple of quick searches fail to reveal any claim that Beckley was involved in game play cheating. Especially, striking is the absence of this accusation by CalvinAyre.com - a site I very much respect for their journalism.

This is just a hot take and I look forward to Druff's discussion during the Fraud Show.

Druff made his bones via the Absolute Poker revelation and 60 Minutes. I will filter his opinion accordingly. There is a continuum of fraud and illegal behavior. We will see how objectively Druff presents his argument.

I stumbled (Mumbled) my way onto the following article. The author clearly was enchanted by Beckley and his story. Still a fun read.

God, I LOVE all the payment processing stories. You guys daydream about the soft games and big action back during the poker boom. My personal fantasy revolves around being one of the processors. My fantasies are bigger and grander than yours: I fantasize about playing tight end for the Patriots too.

Here it is

http://www.montanakaimin.com/feature...7a43b2370.html

I never read "Staight Flush". Any good?

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Couple of quick searches fail to reveal any claim that Beckley was involved in game play cheating. Especially, striking is the absence of this accusation by CalvinAyre.com - a site I very much respect for their journalism.

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IIRC, Beckley could be directly tied to superuser accounts, especially when the big data dumps came out over time. To quote from the great and good Haley Hintze, :

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Several such accounts carried special notations like PotRipper's: "Please do not close this account for any reason. Issues please consult with Brent, Adrian or Nolan." So the customer-level support staff was being warned to leave these accounts alone, and this Brent is believed to be Brent Beckley, Scott Tom's step-brother, also involved with AP from its inception.

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Straight Flush is largely horseshit written to glorify the founders. You can read it for entertainment value, but it's hagiography more than documentary.

Good work Crowe. I'll skip the book too. It's funny but I'm starting to forget the old books and stories. It all was a long time ago.

I'm just messing around a bit with Beckley. It's a little bit of "light regulation" tweak. I don't care if processors are violating stupid laws. Instead, I admire their pluck.

I'll throw in with crooks if they are honorable.

Knowing Beckley's relationship with the others you knew he wasn't pure. Yet I did find it odd that CalvinAyre.com and others are careful not to imply anything more than processing war crimes.

You gotta be curious about Betonline's motives in hiring Beckley. Processing in the age of Bitcoin has got to be easier than its been in ages. Maybe that's just my personal experience coloring my perception.

Did Betonline get hammered by favorites covering with NFL?

It would be interesting to hear a processing player like Chad Elie give his take on the landscape of online. You won't get it from PFA it would appear.

In the meantime, I have withdrawn my account. I did so in a rising Bitcoin market. You never know exactly when it hits your account. Sports are slow. A little tweak toward Betonline to boot. I bought a new Gator 4x4 for work and the cash will help. Just realized the plow on the old one doesn't fit.

Maybe when baseball heats up I'll mess around with someone else.

Hope you run good.

He would need access to the RFID reader. This could be big. Watch out for that *LAG* spike.

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Originally Posted by anonymouspokerplayer

He would need access to the RFID reader. This could be big. Watch out for that *LAG* spike.

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Their is some lag and the screen goes black at times too. The technical difficulties might just be terrible internet in Costa Rica but who knows.

This guy who put this video out did another yesterday on his channel claiming they offered him 250k to take it down but he is no sell out. ROFL ok sir I'm really believing that one. I wouldn't recommend anyone watch this it's 2 hours of him ranting but I skipped around and heard him say it a few times along with them making threats to him too, so he claims.

I think there are a bunch of books that use this same live dealer. I see the same dealers in their other games like Baccarat. They don't handle player money so I suspect they get a certain percentage of winnings from the book. If BO wants to save their reputation they should find another live dealer service.

^^^

5Dimes, Youwager, and Heritage all use this same live dealer or at least have in the past.

I can confirm 5Dimes is still using them but once BetOnline and Sportsbook pulled out about a week ago which they won't give you a reason why they did the site has less tables running.

BOL and SB are now using a different live dealer.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I'm with lewfather here.

No idea why the dealer flipped up the first card and grabbed the second, but it's hard to believe that he knew which one to grab, and the reward to BetOnline for this shenanigan was minimal.

Basically, the risk/reward ratio for the site to do such a thing was WAY too high.

You can't compare this to the superuser thing on AP/UB, which was VERY lucrative. You also can't compare this to the Full Tilt money theft, which was even more lucrative.

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I am not too familiar with how Panamanian live blackjack services pay their dealers, but could it be possible that this was just a small contingent within Betonline that was trying to make a little side money for themselves?

Maybe they receive a commission of the total take on their table, or they may even be working with one of the players to siphon a few hundred/thousand per week on the side.

The fact that it was obvious doesn't negate the fact that it was probably intentional. Many people try to cheat blatantly and I think if he hadn't been flicking his fingers around before pulling the second card, no one would have been looking at the shoe, as they mostly just stare at where the card is landing and not the source.

Some of these dealers get a little too close to a player, especially if they are a big tipper. This guy got fired last year and if you notice around 1:10 into the clip he gives a wink as if he messed this up on purpose because the player sodapoppin was giving him money off the site for tips to be sure it went to him only and not into a pool for all the dealers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnfLZkTBFXo

I believe this "Bryan" who dealt the second card to the player situation is completely different but just saying some of these low hourly waged workers can potentially screw up on purpose to help a player they like out if they are throwing them money outside the site.

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

Some of these dealers get a little too close to a player, especially if they are a big tipper. This guy got fired last year and if you notice around 1:10 into the clip he gives a wink as if he messed this up on purpose because the player sodapoppin was giving him money off the site for tips to be sure it went to him only and not into a pool for all the dealers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnfLZkTBFXo

I believe this "Bryan" who dealt the second card to the player situation is completely different but just saying some of these low hourly waged workers can potentially screw up on purpose to help a player they like out if they are throwing them money outside the site.

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The difference here is that Andy if he is cheating is only doing it for his own personal gain outside of the casino, the other scenario was the entire casino is cheating using dealers to thumb through cards that they somehow know which card is what in a 6-8 deck or however many deck shoe it is.

Is it possible that Andy is being tipped out on misdeals when sodapoppin is betting yyuuuge? For sure. Also I never heard of this kid before but I skipped around his channel and saw a LOT of videos of him playing while Andy is dealing and in multiple games. Maybe he just liked him? Maybe they were friendly outside of the table? etc I'm sure the people running the bingo noticed this and were like yeaaa, about that.

:laterfag

Haley Hintze pointed out that the dealer flicked his index finger over the first card twice, before grabbing the second one.

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/blackj...cks-betonline/

This changes my mind. It does seem as if the cards have some kind of marking on them (detectable to the finger), which allows him to do this know what's coming next, and then grab the next card.

Also, she noted that the player was splitting 2s against a dealer 10, and that it seemed this was a card counting play. However, I can't imagine how that play would ever be correct, even if counting, since you're in such an awful spot there, you wouldn't want to double your risk.

I just think that the dealer did this as part of some collusion with BetOnline, since this player was betting big.

Also, WTF is with them covering up the player's face now?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Haley Hintze pointed out that the dealer flicked his index finger over the first card twice, before grabbing the second one.

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/blackj...cks-betonline/

This changes my mind. It does seem as if the cards have some kind of marking on them (detectable to the finger), which allows him to do this know what's coming next, and then grab the next card.

Also, she noted that the player was splitting 2s against a dealer 10, and that it seemed this was a card counting play. However, I can't imagine how that play would ever be correct, even if counting, since you're in such an awful spot there, you wouldn't want to double your risk.

I just think that the dealer did this as part of some collusion with BetOnline, since this player was betting big.

Also, WTF is with them covering up the player's face now?

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There's no doubt in my mind this guy was cheating. He obviously tried to distract the viewers with a fake blink. You can tell nobody blinks normally like that. He also flicked the first card with his thumb to test and see how loose the card is. Normally Casino shoes are pretty tight and you shouldn't be able to flick up cards like that. The only explanation I could give him was that he pulled a 9 before and sometimes cards get stuck with shuffles like 8/9/10 being stuck together from new decks. As you can see it came out J 9 8 6 which is high to low so easy pattern.

Had this been done with Baccarat, a game where one hand can host up to 100s of players, it would be so much different.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Haley Hintze pointed out that the dealer flicked his index finger over the first card twice, before grabbing the second one.

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/blackj...cks-betonline/

This changes my mind. It does seem as if the cards have some kind of marking on them (detectable to the finger), which allows him to do this know what's coming next, and then grab the next card.

Also, she noted that the player was splitting 2s against a dealer 10, and that it seemed this was a card counting play. However, I can't imagine how that play would ever be correct, even if counting, since you're in such an awful spot there, you wouldn't want to double your risk.

I just think that the dealer did this as part of some collusion with BetOnline, since this player was betting big.

Also, WTF is with them covering up the player's face now?

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Haley puts out some decent articles but this one is so off here considering at least a handful of other sites are sharing this live dealer so you can't put it directly on betonline.

A lot of accounts of users playing on this particular live dealer from betonline/sportsbook have the names "lcb" with a few numbers afterwards but you can get a real username if you request one.

The dealer has supposedly got fired. I brought up a ton of ways a site could cheat or why a dealer might be incentivized to do so but how much of it goes on who knows.

I get why any news outlet would put betonline for the title/focus site for their article since a logo from BOL is blasted right on the table from the person who recorded it and I titled this thread that way too because I was also bringing up Beckley but still news media should be looking more into things before they put out such articles out.

BetOnline also changed live dealer sites days before this video leaked and no media site even looked into that so for any writer to say "It will be a long time before this dealer is working on a live dealer site for betonline is irrelevant". It also shows zero research when into such an article. Haley isn't the only one to cover this without doing any research.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Haley Hintze pointed out that the dealer flicked his index finger over the first card twice, before grabbing the second one.

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/blackj...cks-betonline/

This changes my mind. It does seem as if the cards have some kind of marking on them (detectable to the finger), which allows him to do this know what's coming next, and then grab the next card.

Also, she noted that the player was splitting 2s against a dealer 10, and that it seemed this was a card counting play. However, I can't imagine how that play would ever be correct, even if counting, since you're in such an awful spot there, you wouldn't want to double your risk.

I just think that the dealer did this as part of some collusion with BetOnline, since this player was betting big.

Also, WTF is with them covering up the player's face now?

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How do you count a 6/8 deck shoe that has 25% deck penetration ????????

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Exactly!

I mentioned what the deck was earlier.

They formerly used a 50% shuffle but a few weeks changed it prior to BOL leaving this live dealer network.

This is what it said it chat clipped by me:

There are devices that can detect the first/second/third card in a deck and then spit it out. It was posted on reddit in the r/poker sub after this story originally broke out.

The one I saw had what looked like a smartphone sitting on the same table as the deck, and then it was outputting the cards in order from top to bottom.

There's a strong incentive for this technology. I bet the most efficient way of doing it hasn't been released publicly for obvious reasons.

I would be skeptical in every home card game.

I don't know about the sport side of b.o.l Couse sports are for fags but as far as cards are concerned b.o.l is very suspect!!

Any site that would ask you to literally rake thousand$ over a $10 poker bonus is suspect to say the least.