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looks like Luigi got him a sharp ass lawyer... his cousin Vinny... :)
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GrenadaRoger: no accident--by design of med profession to limit no. of med schools
correct.
unlike attorneys, they jealously guard their trade.
Kid wasn't even insured by United.
Still wondering how he knew where / when Brian Thomas would be.
his written manifesto claims it was very easy entry level social engineering, no other detailsQuote:
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There’s an intersection in computer/tech ability and social engineering skills. I noticed this way back in the 80s, even with myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by aayjayhis written manifesto claims it was very easy entry level social engineering, no other detailsQuote:
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Doesn’t apply to everyone, but I’ve definitely noticed it.
He had a masters in computer science.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffThere’s an intersection in computer/tech ability and social engineering skills. I noticed this way back in the 80s, even with myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by aayjay
Doesn’t apply to everyone, but I’ve definitely noticed it.
He had a masters in computer science.
Social Engineering is mostly ways of getting someone else to do something you want that and the whole interaction is a net negative for the other person, so manipulation. Are you saying those good at compsi skew towards those also good at manipulation? poker too , its all similar
Got out of my Altoona weekend trip because everyone is sick including myself.Quote:
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Social Engineering is mostly ways of getting someone else to do something you want that and the whole interaction is a net negative for the other person, so manipulation. Are you saying those good at compsi skew towards those also good at manipulation? poker too , its all similar
I don’t really recall social engineering being a used term before computers. No one said I social engineered some blonde last night after a few drinks.
I would guess Druff comes from that phone freak world, but any tech people, they know how the system works therefore they know what to extract.
It’s not just manipulating the information out of someone. It’s knowing what to do with it. Plus they tend to do it more so practice doesn’t hurt.
fwiw the origin of social engineering as a threat vector in the popular lexicon can be traced back to the late kevin mitnick. spies/conmen have been socially engineering for malicious purposes for as long as there have been lies, but kevin was the first to leverage it for computer crime to any serious effect. and since computers underpin our whole fucking lives lately, social engineering has a correspondingly high body count. its by far the easiest and most reliably gateway for cybercrime.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffThere’s an intersection in computer/tech ability and poor social skills. I noticed this way back in the 80s, even with myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by aayjay
Doesn’t apply to everyone, but I’ve definitely noticed it.
He had a masters in computer science.
Social engineering is "how can I trick some one into giving me there password" in a nutshell
social engineering is tricking kids into thinking they are the opposite sex of which they were born...
The dude is underpaid in my opinion. But the stockholders’ opinions are the only ones that matter.Quote:
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Mark is such a toolbag. At least trying to listen to him defend the constitutionality of owning 1000 bottles of baby oil at one time and in one place is just ugh... i feel gross, like bro your obviously smart, doesn't this feel....beneath you? but of course it doesnt the money diddy pays him act shocked in front of the media is probably a fucking ton. he annoys me, his pretending this is all some cool freedom fighter work hes doing........lol.........Quote:
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Originally Posted by aayjayMark is such a toolbag. At least trying to listen to him defend the constitutionality of owning 1000 bottles of baby oil at one time and in one place is just ugh... i feel gross, like bro your obviously smart, doesn't this feel....beneath you? but of course it doesnt the money diddy pays him act shocked in front of the media is probably a fucking ton. he annoys me, his pretending this is all some cool freedom fighter work hes doing........lol.........Quote:
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the american judicial system is predicated on both sides making the most insane biased toxic argument possible and a jury of ones peers deciding which lie fits more.
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the american judicial system is predicated on both sides making the most insane biased toxic argument possible and a jury of ones peers deciding which lie fits more.
How do we setup a system that values truth above all else
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How do we setup a system that values truth above all else
AI/ML
in the extremely near term future it will be much, much, much harder to lie.
Given the size of Walmart, I would have expected something 5x the size as far as pay package. Just going to assume he is already worth a couple hundred million in stock and does not care.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayjamiThe dude is underpaid in my opinion. But the stockholders’ opinions are the only ones that matter.Quote:
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Luigi seems to be the fall guy here. My sources telling me that the true killer is a daytime shapeshifter that can take any form as long as they have recently been in the sun (60 mins max afterwards). Authorities are using high tech surveillance at night along the east coast to catch it while it cannot shift.
I agree with this, things will get much more difficult when all our phones are always on recording livestreaming always, like meta rayban glasses, etc and some other tech like blockchain too. However just because its more difficult to lie I dont think thats the same things as valuing the truth, in some ways that makes deciet/lying super valuable. I'm just pondering this right now so I don't have many thoughts and there all premature but I think we have to find a way to value each other over ourselves, or value society as a whole over ourselves. Until I value me and mine equal or less than I value you and yours Ill always be incentived to 'steal' from you. I don't even know if this is possible because we are human animals with millions of years of dumb animal evolution based on lack/ or limited resources. It might be too ingrained in us that serving the self first and foremost is paramount to survival (probably is). Transcending monkey-life probably is beyond us. It would require a total willingness to self-sacrifice for the other.Quote:
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AI/ML
in the extremely near term future it will be much, much, much harder to lie.
I dunno. I might just be tired.
Crowdfund over 100k lol for defense.
Gee, I don’t know, maybe electing people who don’t lie to our faces all the time would be a good start.Quote:
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How do we setup a system that values truth above all else
I have to partially disagree with this. 1980s computer/phone hacking was largely attached to social engineering. It wasn't just Mitnick, and he didn't popularize it. Everyone with the ability to do it in that world was already doing it. I will agree that he was the one who used it most extensively, and of course he was one of the most famous/consequential hackers of all time, so his antics got a ton of attention.Quote:
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I also agree that it's the easiest and most reliable method for effective cybercrime, and many of the big hacks have a social engineering element to them.
On Facebook, the social engineering topic just came up in a group where I post, though not related to this situation. Kevin's former associate "Susan Thunder" (Susan Headley) was discussed, a 6'2" chick whose main skill was social engineering. Being female also gave her an edge there, as people were less suspicious when she did it. She even did it in person, directly strolling into Pacific Bell and bullshitting her way into highly restricted areas. Susan and I were friends for about 4 months in early 1991, when she lived in Vegas. She was claiming to be a professional poker player at that point. This kind of checks out, though it appears she exited the poker world in 2000, a year before I showed up.
That sounds interesting, do you happen to know the details behind this? Like when did it happen, what exactly Susan said to BS her way in, and what was her end goal once she got inside those restricted areas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI have to partially disagree with this. 1980s computer/phone hacking was largely attached to social engineering. It wasn't just Mitnick, and he didn't popularize it. Everyone with the ability to do it in that world was already doing it. I will agree that he was the one who used it most extensively, and of course he was one of the most famous/consequential hackers of all time, so his antics got a ton of attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I also agree that it's the easiest and most reliable method for effective cybercrime, and many of the big hacks have a social engineering element to them.
On Facebook, the social engineering topic just came up in a group where I post, though not related to this situation. Kevin's former associate "Susan Thunder" (Susan Headley) was discussed, a 6'2" chick whose main skill was social engineering. Being female also gave her an edge there, as people were less suspicious when she did it. She even did it in person, directly strolling into Pacific Bell and bullshitting her way into highly restricted areas. Susan and I were friends for about 4 months in early 1991, when she lived in Vegas. She was claiming to be a professional poker player at that point. This kind of checks out, though it appears she exited the poker world in 2000, a year before I showed up.
Over 500k crowdfund for his defense lol.
Happy to live in uk
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that guy on the bottom? literally the guy who killed mintjewlips.
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