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Much like you accuse Ben Shapiro of whitewashing Israel's motives and painting Arabs as evil, you are basically the reverse of that, and you don't even see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
Did Ben Shapiro fail to tell you that al-Qaeda was Israel's/CIA terror group used to take down Gaddaffi in Libya, fight the houthis in Yemen and attempt to overthrow Syria? Hezbollah fought against them in Syria while Israel/CIA gave al-Qaeda weapons and air support, Russia took them out and saved Syria from becoming part of Greater Israel. Look up operation timber sycamore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Ben likes to explain the history of Hezbollah by saying it formed in 1982 because they hated Jews. Just like he uses Oct 7 as the starting point for Hamas attacking occupying israel.
Hezbollah started after Israel brutally attacked Lebanon in 1978 and 1982 causing humanitarian crisis and killing civilians indiscriminately, as they like to do. It was either fight back or become part of Greater Israel. They chose to fight. There is no way that Israel repeating the brutality against civilians in both Gaza and Lebenon is going to lead to anything but the cycle repeating itself.
I don't know much about Saudia Arabia but it appears on the surface that they have started leaning towards Russia/China/Iran as strategic partners versus going down with the West. China helped negotiate peace between them and Iran. They have applied for entry into BRICS. Their population hates Israel, so leadership is safer on the other side. They may be hedging bets and sitting on the fence to see how things develop. They were on a path to create better ties with Israel but Israels actions in Gaza has reversed it. W for Hamas. Arabs don't care about their own lives while they are being brutally occupied. They fight and die for a future where they are not subjugated by eastern european Jews. Your statement that Palestinians have 'control' of Gaza is laughable, they were shoved off their land and are being occupied in that small area. That was never a solution.
The only correct thing you stated above was that Israel's recent war in Gaza harmed their relations with the Saudis. That's true. And that's what is suspected as the real motivation for the 10/7 attacks. Iran expected that Israel would respond by attacking Hamas, which would then harm their rapidly improving relations with the Saudis. Hamas itself had nothing to gain (and everything to lose) by attacking Israel on 10/7, so it appears something else must have been at play.
Hamas has been happy with their control of Gaza since 2005. The people of Gaza, not so much... but that's because Hamas hogs all the resources for themselves. Even if you want to make the point that it's Israel's fault regarding the misery in Gaza, that still doesn't explain the 10/7 attacks. There was no realistic scenario where those attacks would improve things for Gaza, either short or long term.
You ignore the fact that these groups are under control of Iran. They are doing Iran's bidding. They were likely manipulated, and made to believe that Iran would use their resources to back them, if Israel were to retaliate.
This is a proxy war. It's not an inspiring tale of brave freedom fighters attacking the cruel colonists.
bro these gooks getting their hands blown off by secret pager bombs is incredible
Huge Scandal Huge! Bipartisan calls for resignation...
Everything you need to know is in the first 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLU5_DdGEI4
IMO There's an even bigger scandal than our Secretary of State is on tape pledging his ancestorial loyalty to Israel.
In the NDAA there's a requirement that some "experts" be consulted on recommendations for defense readiness.
The operate under the RAND Corp, they have some think tank sounding name.
The only problem is they're not experts, they're Neocons w conflicts of interest out the ass.
There's a Dem and Repub in charge.
The Dem is Jane Harmon, you know the one caught on wiretap colluding w AIPAC.
The Repub is Eric Edelman. I'll put it this way, he's a frequent guest on Bill Kristol's podcast
They recommend raising taxes, gutting non defense spending and diverting all available resources to be ready for war against China Russia and or Iran before 2027.
You can bet Congress will pretty much follow their advice as close as they can w/o sparking mass protest.
3 things to comment on:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffMuch like you accuse Ben Shapiro of whitewashing Israel's motives and painting Arabs as evil, you are basically the reverse of that, and you don't even see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
The only correct thing you stated above was that Israel's recent war in Gaza harmed their relations with the Saudis. That's true. And that's what is suspected as the real motivation for the 10/7 attacks. Iran expected that Israel would respond by attacking Hamas, which would then harm their rapidly improving relations with the Saudis. Hamas itself had nothing to gain (and everything to lose) by attacking Israel on 10/7, so it appears something else must have been at play.
Hamas has been happy with their control of Gaza since 2005. The people of Gaza, not so much... but that's because Hamas hogs all the resources for themselves. Even if you want to make the point that it's Israel's fault regarding the misery in Gaza, that still doesn't explain the 10/7 attacks. There was no realistic scenario where those attacks would improve things for Gaza, either short or long term.
You ignore the fact that these groups are under control of Iran. They are doing Iran's bidding. They were likely manipulated, and made to believe that Iran would use their resources to back them, if Israel were to retaliate.
This is a proxy war. It's not an inspiring tale of brave freedom fighters attacking the cruel colonists.
- If you have a specific beef with any of the facts stated please present the alternative view. Nothing I stated is the least bit controversial and easy for me to backup with primary sources.
- I agree both Hamas and Hezbollah are supported by Iran, but they are not controlled by them. It's not like they need incentive to fight against being colonized, they do need support though.
- It is a proxy war, but it's not Iran versus Israel. It's global hegemony or "Rules based International order" versus International law and the multi-polar world. China and Russia are involved too. They have both held joint military operations with Iran for the last 5 years. There will not be a war against Iran without Russia being directly involved and China indirectly.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3...border-lebanon
Israeli troops cross border into Lebanon.
Bibi is gonna free the Iranian/Persian People, while also reiterating " there is nowhere in the middle east that Israel can't touch "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=favU_LX1h_E
Yes, Russia and China have interests in Israel losing, as well. That's even more of a reason for US and the West to back Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal3 things to comment on:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
- If you have a specific beef with any of the facts stated please present the alternative view. Nothing I stated is the least bit controversial and easy for me to backup with primary sources.
- I agree both Hamas and Hezbollah are supported by Iran, but they are not controlled by them. It's not like they need incentive to fight against being colonized, they do need support though.
- It is a proxy war, but it's not Iran versus Israel. It's global hegemony or "Rules based International order" versus International law and the multi-polar world. China and Russia are involved too. They have both held joint military operations with Iran for the last 5 years. There will not be a war against Iran without Russia being directly involved and China indirectly.
So I'm not sure what you think you're proving here my making these points.
When people ask, "Why should the US government care so much about Israel?", the simple answer is, "Look which side China and Russia are on, and you'll understand why."
Hamas and Hezbollah are definitely controlled by Iran. They're made to believe that they are fighting a religious war against Israel, and that the defeat of Israel will allow an all-Islamic Middle East. However, they're basically answering to Tehran, who has given them a "trust us, we will back you and help you win, just follow our instructions" promise. They had little choice because they lacked the funding or training to attack Israel, without Iran's help.
Bottom line:
1) Yes, Israel is defending itself
2) Yes, this is a proxy war engineered by Iran
3) Yes, China and Russia are also pulling the strings from further back, and it's important to the West for Israel to emerge victorious
It is unlikely that Russia or China will get directly involved here. Israel is not going to start WW3. That's paranoid nonsense, and also useful propaganda to make Israel's actions look dangerous, rather than righteous.
1) Israel is the obvious aggressor counting on the backing of the US to fight the fight they are pining for. LOL @ bombing GAZA, Yemen, Syria, and Lebanon all YESTERDAY and calling it defensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
2) This is a last attempt to retain uni-polarity, engineered by the Global cabal calling the shots for the West. The same group fighting Russia via proxy and salivating over future war with Iran and China.
3) The world will be much safer with multiple economic and security alternatives. Perpetual color revolutions, sanctions, and wars aimed at monopoly control of resources has failed.
You represent a fundamental ethno-supremacist that wants to conquer its neighbours and willing to use religious myths to disguise intentions. You were born a couple centuries too late. Hopefully the dream of Greater Israel will be defeated so that war with Russia and China will be out of reach. Without Israel the West will be evicted from the region.
Some Israelis just got slaughtered in Tel Aviv. That can't be good for tourism.
Iran is not targeting innocent citizens. There are known pedophiles living in these target zones.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY0Y4L9W...png&name=small
lol. Are you familiar with the Book of Revelations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Iran launching major missile attack against Israel... doesn't sound like much got through but who knows the truth anymore...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blzt0vZQJCM
one thing we all know for sure boxcar is that you def cant tell fact from fiction
Do not believe the hype, there's no significant danger. The Israeli's are enjoying the world's most expensive fireworks show.
All Israeli's have a fortified safe room. I repeat there's no danger. Netanyahu's been begging for this fireworks show for years.
Right now we all need to push back against any suggestion the US military is needed for war in the middle east.
more US military personnel moving into the middle east... where exactly, i guess i don't know... and i don't think they are saying... they do give some numbers of personnel in this short video... but again who would know the truth exactly..??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwpZsYNWcW8
From Iranian media.
Iran ‘exercised self-defense’ under UN Charter by only targeting Israeli military sites: FM
The Iranians have outclassed the Israelis in every way. They're currently the only adults in the room.