Yes. And the total amount owed.Quote:
Originally Posted by derSchwartz 2 + 2
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Yes. And the total amount owed.Quote:
Originally Posted by derSchwartz 2 + 2
I wasn't affected from Lock Pokers scandal as I took all the warning signs serious and stayed away. Unfortunately many people either weren't aware of how bad Lock Poker was as a site or naive and played anyways. Its a shame for all, but mainly the victims that weren't aware and figured that they were a legit company because Cardplayer said so and other reputable poker media sources.
Id love to see them brought to justice.
I have the knowledge to bring them to justice. To bring them to justice is only limited by the costs.
Only info with an exactly address will be forwarded to the Public Prosecutor.
You can continue send your info until the end of 12 August.
If you sent me some of the court documents (so I can verify that this case does indeed exist), and were willing to identify yourself publicly, I'd be happy to report on it at FlushDraw. I don't know how successful you'll be though I'm certainly on the side of you and all other Lock victims. DM me if interested and I'll send you an address you can forward any relative court docs and info to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
-- Haley
Criminal cases usually have 3 stages:
1) Police and or 2) Public Prosecutor -> 3) Court
I am in stage 1) and 2) and therefore no court documents available yet.
Sounds good. Let us know how it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
UPDATE
All those deposited to Lock Poker using Neteller or Skrill have now the possibility to send a complaint to Samuel.Imbrey@financial-ombudsman.org.uk using the reference: (Our ref: 17190148) and
1) Demand to reverse the transaction(s)
based on:
Skrill
11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services, including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.
-> Lock Poker is an illegal gambling operation, because:
- it is illegal to run the operation out of San Quiricio DŽOrcia/Italy without having an Italian gambling license and without register the company there.
- it is illegal to misappropriate player funds
2) Demand that they report Lock Poker to the relevant law enforcement agency
based on:
Skrill
11.4. It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.
3) Demand indemnification for your losses from Neteller and Skrill because they did not fulfil the legally binding agreement
based on:
- NETELLER
12. ACCOUNT RESTRICTIONS
ii. using the NETELLER Service for any purpose contrary to laws, statutes or regulations applicable to you, including without limitation, those concerning money laundering, fraud, criminal activity, financial services or consumer protection;
iv. using the NETELLER Service for any Prohibited Transaction;
16.4 Notwithstanding the above, we may, at our discretion, suspend or limit access to your Account (including without limitation, placing a hold on funds in your Account, limiting your ability to make Transactions on your Account, suspending or terminating your Card, and limiting your payment options) or close your Account, at any time, without notice, in any of the following circumstances:
i. you breach any of these Terms of Use;
iii. if we have reasonable grounds to believe that your Account has been used in connection with a Prohibited Transaction;
iv. receipt into your Account of suspected fraudulent funds;
ix. if we believe your Account or Card has been used or allegedly used, or may be used, in, or to facilitate, any fraud, financial-crime related activity or any other illegal activity;
xiv. to comply with money laundering or terrorist financing investigations or prohibitions issued by any government authorities, agencies or commissions.
- SKRILL
11.1 It is strictly forbidden to send or receive payments as consideration for the sale or supply of: Unlicensed or illegal lotteries or gambling services(including without limitation the use of or participation in illegal gambling houses).
11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services, including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.
11.4. It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides
Can someone please post in the Lock Poker payout scam: thread and ask IHasTehNutz to post the data for ROW Skrill and Neteller, as the the link for
FULL PENDING 'ROW METHOD' PLAYER REPORT (73 players owed $432,646.29):
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...b7&oe=54F57EAA
is not working any more?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2926Quote:
Updated at 10pm EST on October 19th, 2014
***PLEASE NOTE: If you are a website referencing this report, please link back to this post/thread! Thank you!
TOTAL PLAYERS: 394
TOTAL PAYOUTS OWED: $941,270.96
48 players paid from this report since 11-1-13:
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...55934617_n.jpg
NEW FOR THIS REPORT: Remaining player balances
205 players report $2,236,160.52 in remaining balances on Lock Poker. This amount does not include their pending payouts.
FULL PENDING 'WESTERN UNION' PLAYER REPORT (181 players owed $242,936.53):
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...92924421_o.jpg
FULL PENDING 'CHECKS' PLAYER REPORT (137 players owed $264,137.01):
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...33217215_o.jpg
FULL PENDING 'ROW METHOD' PLAYER REPORT (73 players owed $432,646.29):
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...b7&oe=54F57EAA
FULL PENDING 'PAY-TO-CARD' PLAYER REPORT (3 players owed $1,551.13):
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...5c&oe=54EED7C0
UPDATE
On 28th January 2016 at 11.00 will be held a hearing before the Court in Siena/Italy about the continuation of the proceedings against Jennifer Larson.
Message to the participants of the illegal operation Lock Poker: Brendon Young, Liezl Tengco, Shane Bridges, Gerard Poltorak, Eric Lynch, Bryce Geoffrey, Jim Erwood, Melanie Weisner, Anette Obrestad.
participant = continued to advertise or work for Lock, while it was clear that player funds are misappropriated = ponzi scheme
I have an amicable solution for you(except Larson, as legal action already has started):
Lock Poker owe me $127,000 and I have screenshots and email conversation with Geoffrey to prove this.
$127,000 divided with 10(including Larson) = $12,700 per participant.
You have the possibility to give me this amount in Bitcoins until 28th January 2016 and the case is finished for you. I am the only one with sufficient proof/info who is going after you and if I stop doing this, you are out. So it is up to you how you wish to proceed.
After 28th January 2016, I will initiate legal action against those who are not willing to take my amicable offer. I will be then also so kindly to publicise all the info(address, etc.) I have and will get about you, so other victims can demand their money directly from you and based on the civil laws of the relevant jurisdictions for the next up to 30 years at any time.
I also know that most of you did not declare your income properly and you might be then also held accountable for the criminal offence of tax evasion.
So if they pay you no more lawsuit? except against larson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
I know that some people disagree with your tactics, but I applaud you for putting such effort into going after them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
I don't fault you for only looking out for your own money. You aren't a superhero trying to right all wrongs. You are a victim, and are trying to recover damages against you.
The tax angle is an interesting one, especially for Lock conspirators living in the US. Normally I think it would be a supreme dick move to report someone for tax evasion, especially a site pro. However, in this case I don't blame you. All of the people you listed either directly engaged in the fraud, knowingly covered it up, or continued to knowingly promote the scam despite holding sufficient evidence that players were being cheated. As far as I'm concerned, any legal trouble coming their way -- whether directly or indirectly as a result of their participation in Lock -- is deserved
This is different than the pros representing Full Tilt, as the vast majority of them were kept in the dark and had no idea what was going on.
Good luck.
Correct. Is something wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO
Thank you Todd. I appreciate you and your forum, as you stand on the right site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I don't care at all what others think about my tactics. I know that without me, my persistence and willingness to put a lot of effort and money into this case, nothing would have happen yet.
Lock Poker would might still run and it was me who brought Stacktrace N.V. into bankruptcy and loss of their license and no one else.
Sorry, maybe I missed something. Do other people expect from me that I spend 100s of hours of my time, pay the investigation, legal action and litigation costs from my pocket and the others can then simply come and join the litigation proceedings for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I offered September 2014 to other victims to organize legal action for them if they are willing to contribute a small percentage of what is owed and no one had interest. Therefore, 99% of the victims should be fine with what I am doing, as they had anyway no interest to go after their money.
Good luck to the "by itself" believer group.
Can you explain how you caused Stracktrace to lose their license and go bankrupt?
Actually, upon looking at your list of players again, I think that Melanie Weisner should be left off the list.
As you've seen, I have criticized her aggressively, and she hates me for it.
However, she wasn't in Lock management, nor was she the main "face" of Lock Poker.
Annette Obrestad is more understandable, as she was directly used in Lock promotions more often, and is a bigger name in poker than Melanie.
While the anger at Melanie is justified (especially because she actively read 2+2 and knew VERY WELL what was going on at Lock), I wouldn't include her in this legal action.
Towerflower, I hope you are successful in recovering any funds from the Lock owners, or any processors if they scammed you. I have a few questions, and comments about some of the people or processors you are going after.
Questions:
How much did you deposit before building that into a $127K roll on that site? Did you win a large MTT, or were you playing high stakes cash games? were you able to make any successful cash-outs before losing the remaining funds due to Lock going broke, or just closing up the site and stealing the remaining player funds? Did you win this money and leave most of it on the site for a long time, or did you immediately try to withdraw after winning? Did you ever make a deposit based on any of the 9 site pros you threatened marketing efforts after it was known my you that the site was shady or going broke?
Random Comments:
Don't understand the post where you talk about getting refund from a payment processor. If a player violated wire act laws to send $$ to a gambling site, how can they go after the processor who assisted in that transaction (seems like player is guilty, although I doubt ever held to same criminal standard as the bank, or processor by DOJ considering DOJ treated the players as victims after black Friday). weren't many legit processors also scammed by being told the money was actually for some bogus online purchase, not gambling (that's what happened in the Pokerstars and Fulltilt cases in many instance). Obviously some, and maybe most processers were in on it, and knew exactly where the money was really going, but played along to make huge profits. But if the processer didn't steal the money, and sent it on to Lock, and Lock is broke, how would that processer every get the money they passed on to Lock back. Are you saying they now are on the hook to pay Lock's debt to the player? My point is, the player knew they were violating wire act also, so seems shady to go after the processor just because Lock is broke, unless that processer is holding the funds and stole the money from the player.
I don't agree with your threats and logic of going after 9 site pros for $12,700, putting them just as guilty as the site owner Jen Larson. Doubt any of those site pros stole any money from you (I agree they were acting shady promoting a site they knew was in trouble). Never wanted to see any site pro on any site I ever played on since I'd rather the site use marketing $$ to either lower rake, or offer promotions. But to consider that each of the 9 pros you named owes you 10% of what Lock owes you and Jen owes the remaining 10% just seems illogical.
a few players in my region used to wear Lock patches at tourneys I played in. One told me that if I deposited, he got some royalty from any rake I generate. He told me if I deposited $100, he'd ship me $100 so I'd be free rolling, assuming I was able to cash out $100. So I guess Lock had lots of affiliates besides the 9 named. This was long before any news of Locks problems surfaced, and these guys stopped wearing their patches after that, so clearly did nothing shady.
Glad I never took my poker buddy up on his offer (I probably would of donked off that small amount before building up the account large enough to make a cash-out anyway).
Of the 10 people he listed, only two (Annette Obrestad and Melanie Weisner) were site pros.
The other 8 were all in Lock ownership or management.
According to US law, players are not guilty of a crime by depositing and playing on an illegal poker site, even if doing so knowingly. That's why I had no problem appearing on national TV and admitting to doing so. The crimes were on the end of the payment processors and online poker sites, even if they were otherwise honest.
Regarding the payment processors, once they were informed what was going on with Lock, they shouldn't have continued to process deposits. Some actually did shut Lock off for deposits (such as Skrill). The ones that didn't were guilty of being accomplices to the theft, and deserve anything they get.
Weisner is my favourite pro as she did not only take money to represent/advertise a ponzi scheme, but also felt the obligation to financial benefit from the victims and offered expedited payouts for a provision. This is at least what I read on 2+2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
From a logical point of view, if she was able to get money while others were not, then it was not processing issues, was it? And if she is so helpful to victims, why not simply give me $12,700 and that's it? But if she feel innocent, she can explain this at any time.
I can initiate a criminal and or civil lawsuit against every accomplice and demand full indemnification. In most cases I can add my claim directly to the criminal lawsuit. How could the court in country X determine 1) how much the total amount owed/damage is and 2) how much of this amount the sued accomplice has caused? This is not possible!
But just for fun, let us do a fictitious calculation for the case that a participant of an illegal operation is only liable for the damage caused directly by him:
- A court can not read forums and then say "O.k, we have 20 participants", therefore, a court can only consider participants who are sentenced for participation in the Lock Poker ponzi scheme.
- Let us assume I sue now Weisner and she will get sentenced. At the time when she would get sentenced(if), the court would be only aware of two accomplices, her and Larson.
- The court would have to estimate how much is owed in total and then establish how much of that amount is caused by each of them. Let us assume the court conclude the total amount owed is $15 millions and Weisner caused 10% = $1,5 millions and Larson 90% = $13,5 millions.
Many of you might will now say what, how caused Weisner $1,5 millions?
One problem is that the court has only 2 accomplices and must somehow divide the amount. Would it sound fair if you have 2 participants, that one caused only 1% and the other 99%? For sure not.
The other point is that in criminal law it plays indeed a role who was the manager/head and how long and how intensive someone participated, but in causing the damage we have 3 sections:
a) Management, software, IT
b) Representants/pros, affiliates, advertisement
c) Payment service provider
-> if a) do not exist, b) and c) can not cause any damage, if b) do not excist, a) and c) can not cause any damage, etc.
-> each section is equal important in order to enable damage and therefore similar liable in relation to claims for compensation
For those who think I simply say I did not know anything and that's it for me:
The EU laws say that you are an accomplice from the point when you must know(based on the circumstances) what was going on and I am pretty sure that most jurisdictions in this world have the same rule.
When I was a child, I learned 2 things:
1) Went along -> hang with
2) Ignorance is no excuse
I am 100% sure that I will receive the $127,000 latest in 2016, as I have access to a large pool of accomplices. Even if the one or other prefer to try to submerge, there will be enough left and it is unlike more expensive try to submerge for the next years than $12,700. Not to mention how much nerves this will cost and the remaining risk to get catched one day regardless.
As soon as I receive the first $12,700, I will give the $2,000 owed to HipAintCheap and $1,000 to Dan Druff or donate it to the pokerfraudalert freerolls.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this is not a legal advice
Wasn't Weisner cashing people out at vig rates? I remember also she was requesting stakes on 2 plus 2 but refusing lock money. Oberstadt wore a lock patch in world series on a deep run when it was more then obvious no one getting paid. I don't have a shred of sympathy for these 2 , I doubt tower will get any money though hope he does. Tower why are you so confident they will pay you off? Wouldn't they have to do that with more people then?
Skrill
Many customers opened a Skrill account, deposited money and used their service, based on the terms and conditions which state:
11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services(added by me: ponzi scheme, house bots), including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute [b]or reverse a transaction[b] if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.
11.4 It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes(added by me: ponzi scheme, house bots) including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.
11.6 If you conduct or attempt to conduct any transaction in violation of the prohibitions contained in this section 11 or without the necessary approval under section 11.5, we reserve the right to: reverse the transaction; and/or close or suspend your Skrill Account; and/or report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency; and/or claim damages from you; and charge you an administration fee of up to 150 EUR in case we apply any of the above.
If Skrill would state in the legally binding agreement that
- It is allowed to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.), including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We will not suspend or terminate your Skrill Account or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions and we will not claim damages from you.
- It is allowed to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.) including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will not report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are allowed to use your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.
I and I am sure many others of you will and would have not used their service! Would you?
What Skrill is doing here is not only a willful deception to constantly attract new victims, but it is also the criminal offense of participation and money transfer to illegal operations. They do this habitually and intentionally and if you ask them to reverse transactions to illegal gambling operations like Lock, Revolution Network WinCake/Pure, Muchos, Equity Network, Merge Network Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly, etc. and report them to the relevant law enforcement agency, they simply do not respond like nothing ever happened(lol). And this confirms that they exactly know what they are doing and try to sweep it under the carpet. If they were honest, they would take complaints serious.
In the case of Lock Poker, they did not allow deposits anymore at a certain point, but much too late and therefore they should be liable for the damage accrued since the time they must know that Lock was a ponzi scheme. They should be anyway liable for all damages suffered in relation to all illegal gambling operations, as they intentionally and habitually breach the terms and conditions seriously to the financial disadvantage of private customers and for the financial advantage of the illegal merchants and therefore finally for their own financial benefit, as they charge percentages from and to merchant accounts.
Lock Poker's terms and conditions stated:
"Cash outs. Except as otherwise required by each deposit method or our security team, you may request to cash out and withdraw any or all of your Account Balance at any time and there is no requirement to play the Games in order for you to make such request."
And if Lock habitually do not fulfill this paragraph, then of course the criminal offense of misappropriation and cheating is fulfilled.
-> If you take a look at the Lock Poker payout scam thread, you can see that customers habitually started to wait more than 1 month for their withdrawal request in 2013, while Skrill restricted Lock's account to withdrawals only, I think in 2014. Can you see the gap?
Skrill has lawyers in their legal department in London and they can very well assess what was and what is going on with the poker sites. They can see all the transactions of a merchant account and to which (bank)accounts the Skrill deposits were misappropriated. Did they ever report an illegal gambling operation(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.) to the relevant law enforcement agency like stated in the terms and conditions? I am not aware of any. But they have all the data of the people behind the shell company and instead of fulfilling the legally binding agreement, victims like me have to spend their time and money on top of the damage already happened.
If victims have interest to demand indemnification from Skrill and with an unlike lower chance from Neteller, I am wiling to start a separate thread were we can collect all the data in relation to all the illegal gambling operations like Lock, WinCake/Pure, Muchos, Equity, Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly, etc.
In any case, I recommend to do the following for the record. Send a registered letter to:
Skrill Legal Department
Floor 27, 25 Canada Square
E145 LQ London, United Kingdom
Inform them that merchant account XY(look in your Skrill transaction history for the name) is an illegal gambling operation as they have misappropriated player funds and add the link of the relevant payout thread on 2+2:
Lock Poker
WinCake Poker
Pure Poker
Muchos Poker
Equity Poker Network
Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly
1) Ask them to reverse the deposits you made to(look in your Skrill transaction history for the name), based on:
Terms and conditions
11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services, including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.
11.6 If you conduct or attempt to conduct any transaction in violation of the prohibitions contained in this section 11 or without the necessary approval under section 11.5, we reserve the right to: reverse the transaction; and/or close or suspend your Skrill Account; and/or report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency; and/or claim damages from you; and charge you an administration fee of up to 150 EUR in case we apply any of the above.
2) Demand from them to report company XY to the relevant law enforcement agency, based on:
11.4 It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.
11.6 ...we reserve the right to: report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency...
3) Inform them that you are also willing to join an upcoming class action with hundreds of other victims and demand indemnification from Skrill Ltd. for the damage you have suffered because they habitually and intentionally do not fulfil the legally binding agreement and process money transfers to illegal gambling operators and do not report them to the relevant law enforcement agency.
4) Post here when you receive a response
Thank you!
I can organize a class action against Skrill Ltd. and demand indemnification for us, but this will cost money and I will not pay your part of the total costs if you want to join. The "by itself" believer group can of course wait until a possible judgement in London and then refer to this if it is in the favor of the victims. But if it will come to an agreement with Skrill without a court decision, then those who did not join gets nothing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
Noted. I've been neck-deep in the Kentucky v PokerStars situation and will be for another day or so. However, when I translate and verify this, I think that when it's combined with your publicized settlement demands it's a newsworthy piece. Two caveats with that, however:Quote:
Originally Posted by TowerflowerQuote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
1) I think it's newsworthy despite my not necessarily agreeing 100% with your tactics. I do, however, understand your plight as a victim of Lock and agree 100% with your legal rights to seek recompense however you see fit. That said, I am not a lawyer, and I can make no representation as to whether what you're attempting against each and all of the former Lock people is legal or not. To the extent that they all contributed willfully to the ongoing scam, I get it, and in most cases there appears to be plenty of proof of that; and if so, then yes, you're likely on solid ground. But again, IANAL, and what I -think- may or not turn out to be right.
2) I'm also obligated in a writerly sense to try to figure out your identity as well. That blade always cuts both ways.
My best to you. I've always wondered why people in the US didn't go after a certain US-based weak spot in attempting to ascertain more info about Lock's operations. I never played on Lock, FWIW, so I would have had no standing to sue in an attempt to uncover that info anyway.
I wish people luck who are going after the company fighting for all those who lost but your tactics of saying "Pay me and I will go away with all the info nobody else has" is completely selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
What if someone else had all of this info that you don't and they attempted this form of getting paid while you sit back thinking "hey, what about me and the rest of the players owed" ?
It will be nice to see all of whatever assets Jen Larson & Company have left (if any) frozen then returned to players accordingly at some point but the longer this goes on it's not going to be good.
A settlement would most likely have to be some pro-rated type of thing (company owes x amount to players and you have y % of that which they have a less amount z to pay people) so you get paid accordingly.
We know Lock don't have much, if anything at all left but whatever can be acquired should go back to players. Jen Larson belongs in a jail cell for this fraud but she likely won't see any time at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if this company wiped all backups on their server so nobody can prove what they owe people. Hopefully people took screen shots while they could as potential evidence because someone walking into a 2+2 forum saying I am owed $10k or whatever amount isn't legitimate proof.
I'm still working on translating that good ol' chicken scratchin' in the above, but it appears to be a court-ordered command to Jen Larson to appear based on the assertion that she's living in a villa in Tuscany. Both the court document and the address of the villa appear to be legit, even if I haven't located any sort of docket entry yet online that matches it.
The doc isn't proof that Larson and her partner are or were actually living there, but if you want to see what the place looks like, there's a nice slide show of the property (as it was in 2010) at this TripAdvisor link:
https://www.tripadvisor.it/LocationP...a_Tuscany.html
Pretty and upscale, but Lederer's Vegas mansion it ain't.
But the doc is proof that Larson lived there! This is her last known address in Italy and the court do not put an address on a doc if someone never lived there. The police can check this with ease and If Larson would have not lived there, the public prosecutor would have not accepted the criminal lawsuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
That may be in the part that I haven't deciphered and translated yet. The problem I'm having is not only figuring out what the handwritten entries say, but who did the handwriting. Whatever clerk filled it out missed his greater calling as a doctor's aide filling out prescription orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by TowerflowerBut the doc is proof that Larson lived there! This is her last known address in Italy and the court do not put an address on a doc if someone never lived there. The police can check this with ease and If Larson would have not lived there, the public prosecutor would have not accepted the criminal lawsuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
I also haven't figured out which line specifies that it's a criminal proceeding, though it could very well be. i just need to figure it all out.
No, it is not in the part that you haven't deciphered and translated yet. You had found that San Quirico d'Orcia, Strada Vicinale del Salcio, Podere Il Salcio is an address, otherwise you would have not posted the link about it. And above that address stands Jennifer Larson. You claimed something what you don't know and which moreover is also wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
Why is it so important who did the handwriting? Do you want to contact this person and ask what he wrote?Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
handwritten part:
LARSON JENNIFER, n.= nato(= born) VANCUVER
residente San Quirico d'Orcia, Strada Vicinale del
Salcio, Podere Il Salcio
Difese(= defense) Uffino(?) Dalli(?) AVV.= avvocato(= lawyer) AMA(?) GUERRIM(?) = name
below:
difese(= defense) de Avv.= avvocato Giorgio Masina(= my lawyer), faso(?) Siena(= city)
Do they have freedom of information act type law in Italy where someone can request last known address?
All the relevant data has to be stored for up to ten years within the EU and the police/court has access to this data if sufficient initial suspicion of a crime exist. Skrill e.g. is based in the United Kingdom = EU and has to store all the transactions for 5 years and banks for 10 years.
I expect costs of minimum $10,000 in average to initiate legal action against one accomplice. Therefore it makes sense to offer an amicable solution = give me what is owed in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
It is selfish to let others do the work and pay the price and if they are successful to think "hey, what about me and the rest of the players owed". -> I would never think this way. If I have contributed nothing, then I have no claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
If someone care about what is owed, he has to contribute money, I explained this already in September 2014. If other victims want to join my upcoming actions, they have to put $10,000 per participant on the table in advance. If someone know a way to get what is owed without spending any money, then I wish him all the best.
This is a nice Christmas story, but unfortunately did the litigator not find any assets of Stacktrace N.V. in Curacao. Therefore Santa Claus will not bring amount z tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I inform since September 2014 that a screenshot of what is owed is important for legal action an if someone has no interest, then it is up to him. It could be also helpful to keep email conversations with Liezl Tengco(Lock Poker support) stored. Those who missed to make a screenshot of the balance, have still the possibility to make screenshots of the transaction history of the deposit method(s) used. This will not cover winnings, but is at least better than nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Those who refuse to follow rules shall feel the consequences!
If you can not even translate two phrases let alone two words:Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylhI also haven't figured out which line specifies that it's a criminal proceeding, though it could very well be. i just need to figure it all out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
"Letta la richiesta di archiviazione avanzata dal pubblico ministero(= public prosecutor) e opposizione presentata dalla persona offesa"
-> always when the word public prosecutor is mentioned = criminal proceeding
Yeah, I can live without writing about this story. Heavy attitude from someone still not revealing his identity equals a story I won't touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TowerflowerIf you can not even translate two phrases let alone two words:Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
"Letta la richiesta di archiviazione avanzata dal pubblico ministero(= public prosecutor) e opposizione presentata dalla persona offesa"
-> always when the word public prosecutor is mentioned = criminal proceeding
1) Where my identity plays a role(lawyers, polices, courts), it is well known. With you, my identity certainly doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
2) You want something from me, not I from you
3) Entrance exam failed
4) To put my information and my person in question is exactly the way how professional, investigative journalists get information. LOL
5) Search simply someone else to highlight your importance
6) Anyone who has doubts about one of my information can bet $10,000 against it, send it to a trustee and after that I will send the documents confirming that information to Dan Druff.
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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
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Originally Posted by Towerflower
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Originally Posted by Towerflower
It's a horrible situation is what we can all agree on but what you are basically saying is if you don't have at least $10k+ on the site which is going to be a majority of the players then you can go kick rocks in regards to getting your money back with the way you are trying to do things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
As I said I wish you luck in getting anything back but I'm not a fan of your tactics because lets just say some people actually get paid from this a majority don't. This means Lock gets away without paying a majority of money owed which isn't right but where I feel for you and any others that might put up the money for this way of getting back is that it shouldn't be on you all to have to do so.
FYI I don't have a dollar on Lock and never played on the network at all but it just is a subject I am interested in hoping things can be made right, which they likely won't ever be.
1) No self-respecting outlet will touch this without more info. Maybe you should try G911.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower1) Where my identity plays a role(lawyers, polices, courts), it is well known. With you, my identity certainly doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
2) You want something from me, not I from you
3) Entrance exam failed
4) To put my information and my person in question is exactly the way how professional, investigative journalists get information. LOL
5) Search simply someone else to highlight your importance
6) Anyone who has doubts about one of my information can bet $10,000 against it, send it to a trustee and after that I will send the documents confirming that information to Dan Druff.
2) You'd love publicity for the additional pressure it would put on your targets, so don't pretend otherwise. Fortunately, it's pretty easy to see through this one.
3) LOL. Glad to know I was applying for something.
4) Yeah, pretty much they do. It's how writers separate the legitimate stories from the nutcases and the manipulators, and the libelists.
5) LOL what?
6) LOL betting on this. Why would I care one way or the other? If this is indeed a criminal case, then a check of "Jennifer Larson" of Italian-language sites will eventually show it. You're actually the one that's not needed at that point. So what's next, a HEADZUP4ROLLS challenge?
Don't waste your time haley. I said from the moment he showed up here that he was full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh1) No self-respecting outlet will touch this without more info. Maybe you should try G911.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
2) You'd love publicity for the additional pressure it would put on your targets, so don't pretend otherwise. Fortunately, it's pretty easy to see through this one.
3) LOL. Glad to know I was applying for something.
4) Yeah, pretty much they do. It's how writers separate the legitimate stories from the nutcases and the manipulators, and the libelists.
5) LOL what?
6) LOL betting on this. Why would I care one way or the other? If this is indeed a criminal case, then a check of "Jennifer Larson" of Italian-language sites will eventually show it. You're actually the one that's not needed at that point. So what's next, a HEADZUP4ROLLS challenge?
He comes on this site looking for help(& financing) to get this going & when the 1 person that could possibly help in some way, you, comes along he treats you like you're a criminal or something. Let's face facts, absolutely nobody from this site had any substantial amount of money on Lock(for the obvious reason that we all knew WTF was going on, as evidenced by the start date of this fucking thread) let alone, LOL, 127K. Again, LOL, 127K.
For all we know this guy might have been buying Lock funds from anybody for 10 cents on the dollar & he's now stuck. He sounds like a butthurt fuckhead.
1) I prefer offers from "no self-respecting" outlets:Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
-> sounds a little bit different compared to your attacking attemptQuote:
Hey boss, I was wondering if you had any time if you could write up a piece about your Lock Poker lawsuit and how things are progressing? I wanted to post it on .... and spread the word out as much as possible and help in some small way if that's something that can be done. Lemme know!
2) Correct. All participants would have started to tremble after your story and would have beg to be allowed to replace my loss. LMAO
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Originally Posted by haleylh
6 a) "Why would I care one way or the other?"
Because writers try to separate the legitimate stories from the nutcases and the manipulators, and the libelists.
6 b) "If this is indeed a criminal case,"
Still not realised it is one?
6 c) "then a check of "Jennifer Larson" of Italian-language sites will eventually show it."
Correct. Italian-language sites list the court schedule. Why did you not check already?
6 d) "You're actually the one that's not needed at that point."
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That I have not perceived this offerQuote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
until now, refutes your false claim I had love publicity!Quote:
Hey boss, I was wondering if you had any time if you could write up a piece about your Lock Poker lawsuit and how things are progressing? I wanted to post it on .... and spread the word out as much as possible and help in some small way if that's something that can be done. Lemme know!
A new glasses might not be bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh
Towerflower is a fuckin' dumbass
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