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Well my read on jones was right but my read on osp was fucking terrible, i was really gonna bet Cormier till he pulled out
Fucking terrible, osp looked ridiculous, GG me
OSP had 3 weeks to camp up for this fight, he did fine. And considering the line, money on him made sense.
Jones looked simply fucking terrible, but hes just in a different league.
Rumble would have given us what we wanted, easily.
A few guys could have beaten Jon Jones on this particular night.
What a snoozer that was.
OSP looked like the only black man that can't dance.
I did go 9-3 on my picks but feel somehow unsatisfied with this card.
Breaking NEWS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WudjtPpO9d4
Just reported McGregor says he is back on UFC 200 card per Twitter.. Here is his Tweet:
Conor McGregor @TheNotoriousMMA · 3h3 hours ago
Happy to announce that I am BACK on UFC 200!
Shout out to @danawhite and @lorenzofertitta on getting this one done for the fans. #Respect
So.... Is he back fighting Diaz as he was scheduled?? My guess is YES because Diaz wanted him too.. Although it looking more like it would be a co-main event now with Cormier Vs Jones being the Main Event to unify the LHW title.
I hope McGregor gets his shit pushed in by Diaz again just for his antics.
You can train hard but a lot of times that don't even matter versus a bigger fighter due to their body structure caring the weight properly and skill set. You have to realize the man you are facing is training to combat changes you might bring at them the second time around.
The problem with Diaz is how motivated will he be to win a second fight in a row vs. McGregor?
The first win was a huge payday that leads to an even bigger second fight payday but that might be enough for him like it has been in the past just showing up for certain fights versus big names.
LOL
It's official: Bones vs DC 2 for UFC 200
Giddy to put Jones in a parlay again
Jones just had to get out of that fight 100% and win too of course which is why Dana couldn't say what the other title fight was last week in the press conference until Jones fought.
The UFC knows how huge this card is already going to be and it will exceed all PPV and Gate numbers in company history that their was no way they were going to let McGregor's arrogant ass get his way this time.
Conor should have checked himself before he wrecked himself if he wanted to fight on the UFC 200 card but no worries cause the next McGregor/Diaz rematch will be still be a huge draw whenever it happens.
Huge stretch right now to assume this will be the biggest ppv ever for the ufc. Numbers don't get buys, fighters like conor, Ronda, gsp, and Brock do, and to quote tony kornheiser, that's it. That's the list. If you think this ppv will even sniff the UFC 100 number without even one of those fighters, you are highly delusional. Highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
We will see in a few months time but you might be right on not topping UFC 100 since that card was so stacked. I can't even remember how many fights were on just the PPV alone but it had more then your average ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyHuge stretch right now to assume this will be the biggest ppv ever for the ufc. Numbers don't get buys, fighters like conor, Ronda, gsp, and Brock do, and to quote tony kornheiser, that's it. That's the list. If you think this ppv will even sniff the UFC 100 number without multiple of those fighters, never mind not even one of them, you are highly delusional. Highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
The Jones/Cormier rematch is a heavily hyped up fight due to the bad blood they have with one another. Of course fighters are what matters but this card is still stacked and should do very well.
It's still possible though not likely that they can add something like GSP vs. Diaz to this card.
They are throwing a lot of money into promoting this card doing the Thursday and Friday cards right before to get people hyped up. It will be a huge card but yeah I could see it not passing UFC 100, however, many of the top buy rate cards are in the 1 to 1.1 million range and it could clear that for #2.
The gate will be huge too since I'm sure them tickets will be at the highest rate ever with the event being in the new MGM Arena in Las Vegas.
Diaz- conor appears to be around 1.5m, him and Aldo 1.2m, and Holly-Ronda 1.1 mil. not a chance in hell it breaks the top 2, be very very lucky to break the top 3, and the injury bug hasnt even started yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
True on the injury bug since that could really screw some things but but the card isn't exactly official yet either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyDiaz- conor appears to be around 1.5m, him and Aldo 1.2m, and Holly-Ronda 1.1 mil. not a chance in hell it breaks the top 2, be very very lucky to break the top 3, and the injury bug hasnt even started yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
With the money they are throwing into it I just don't see 200 not drawing big numbers. Of course they would be better with Conor but I think if people can stay healthy (the ones in the main fights) and maybe they add another key fight or two then the card could still be huge.
Another way to look at it is from a business stand point if they are able to draw say 1.2 mil then McGregor fights on 201 or 202 that would probably make the company more money over the few ppv span then having nothing to fall back on for the following couple of ppvs.
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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I predict he has two more big paydays before the hype train grinds to a halt. He will lose to Diaz on the rematch whenever that is. 2. He will then lose his belt to Aldo or Edgar (probably Edgar)
If you want easy money, bet whoever Conor fight his next two fights.
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Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyDiaz- conor appears to be around 1.5m, him and Aldo 1.2m, and Holly-Ronda 1.1 mil. not a chance in hell it breaks the top 2, be very very lucky to break the top 3, and the injury bug hasnt even started yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I agree. This Miesha tate fight is retarded. Does anyone gives a fuck about Nunes? Cormier/Jones, Conor/Diaz, Aldo/Edgar, Holly/Ronda Velasquez/Browne - if they could pull off be sick.
Is Jones really even a draw at this point? The last fighter he stopped was fucking Chael Sonnen. And Cormier seriously looked like hes walking around at like 255 these days. All this fight does is help Jones knock the ring rust off before he faces Rumble.
Conor is a great promoter so he sells the fights better then anyone including those versus a lot of the scrubs he fought along the way. Up until Conor fought Aldo all of these other guys were mostly a joke so he wasn't really challenged and of course that Aldo fight ended in such a fluke way we still didn't get to see him fight anyone.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I predict he has two more big paydays before the hype train grinds to a halt. He will lose to Diaz on the rematch whenever that is. 2. He will then lose his belt to Aldo or Edgar (probably Edgar)
If you want easy money, bet whoever Conor fight his next two fights.
The UFC did well milking all they could from him fighting bums but now they can't do that anymore. I have very little interest in seeing him fight Diaz again because it is too soon imo but next year would be cool. That is the MMA fan in me saying that and it will be a hyped up fight but from a betting aspect you probably can't wait til he fights again to load up on his opponent.
I wish that fight with Dos Anjos happened because I would have felt better about dropping a nice bet on Dos Anjos then I did for Diaz but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
I was thinking this too. Most fans are like casino hosts; they mostly only remember your last fight/visit. After that last performance, I dont see many people getting pumped up for this being the main event.
I assume the UFC is expecting the 'trash talk' and 'friction' between those two to carry this main event but lets be real for a second; they gave up on this card the second Conor shot his own tits off on twitter. At this point, they know they have enough blindly devoted fans with (apparently) disposable income to sell a "UFC 200" event if the main AND co-main event were Mir vs Bigfoot.
Solid points.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I think it's more about the feud that sells the Jones/Cormier fight more then anything and Cormier stands more of a chance (even though he will lose) of beating Jones then OSP did imo.
Some people might hate Jones enough as a person to want to see him lose so that hype could create some interest when you promote it hard for a few months.
I agree the numbers would be much bigger for UFC 200 if Connor fought but if their was ever a spot for Dana and Lorenzo to try to put his ego in check it's here since this card should still sell. If the card was full of complete bums then they would need a huge name for sure.
Their is still the chance that one of these bigger fights scheduled don't take place and Dana swallows his pride saying "Well, we have no choice now but to make the Diaz/McGreggor fight happen at 200". He needs a legitimate reason to change his mind since Dana's ego is so huge too.
So when Cormier suffers an injury during camp or Jones is pulled over....who will be in the main event?
Are Connor and Nate secretly training so they can be called in last minute?
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Originally Posted by simpdog
GSP vs BJ Penn, duh.
Meh too old to be called on last minute.Quote:
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Originally Posted by simpdog
GSP vs BJ Penn, duh.
Fan bases attached to fighters make gates and record PPV buys.
Conor does so well because he brings in the UK/IRE combat sports dollar...they've always ardently supported their boxers/MMA guys; look at how well known and promoted that bum Ricky Hatton was. AND add the fact Conor is a quotable media whore with a fun (flawed) fight style (he sucks on the ground). I actually think he could lose the next Diaz fight, then the title at 145.....and people would STILL want to see him fight Cowboy/RDA/GSP and pay out the ass to do so because of his polarizing personality. That's why those who closely follow the sport (like on here) can't stand his ass: most consider him must see TV despite his obvious flaws.
Ditto with Ronda; she was the cute Judo girl kicking the shit out of (mostly unqualified) girls, playing up the heel card, and bringing in the "TMZ" casuals. Then her getting that face kicked by Holly created so much buzz on twitter all people could talk about was her next move.
Ditto with Brock and the WWE cult; its why UFC was interested in CM Punk. They really don't care if he can fight or not, they just know him on a main card will bring more-than-unusual eyes to a UFC event because wrestling fans are loyal to their guys in anything they do. They'll get an extra 100k buys when (if) Punk fights (and gets the shit kicked out of him by a guy with only 3 fights in his pro career).
Jones/DC 2 is OK, but not enough to move the needle for casuals. DC is cathartic personality that no one likes. Jones is great fighter who is immature and boring outside the cage, which turns people off. Jones probably wins in a 5 round decision again, and then we can see the fight we all want (Rumble) because that guy actually has a chance to beat Jones, unlike DC (it's just a bad matchup for him, even if Jones is at 80%).
UFC 200 as it is, will do OK. I think it may even be a top 7 all-time money maker for them with the quality of the card (although the one in Brazil coming up is better, IMO) and the gate with the new T-Mobile arena will do OK. No Nate hurts them...people love those motherfuckers from Stockton.
But without Conor, it won't break records.
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Originally Posted by simpdog
GSP vs BJ Penn, duh.
How many weight classes above BJ's weight class is that? BJ is going nowhere near welterweight.
#MotivatedBJPenn knows no weight class!Quote:
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Originally Posted by sonatine
How many weight classes above BJ's weight class is that? BJ is going nowhere near welterweight.
anyway, lets not undersell Jones Cormier, as far as fight quality goes. Jones is one of the, and arguably the single, best mma fighter we've ever seen. But Cormier is pretty high on that list, too! Decent chance he's the heavyweight champion right now if he didn't defer to Cain, and if Jones didn't exist, he'd have a bunch of defenses already and people would be talking about him in the pound for pound rankings. Same deal as when he was in college & he had the eternal bad luck of having to face cael sanderson a bunch of times, in the UFC he has Jones in his bracket.
Rousey might not be back this year. She signed a three movie deal with....
wait for it...
she could probably film a lifetime movie in like, what, a week? not too worrisome, IMO. Probably took longer to film the fight scenes in her fast furious movie than to film one of these in its entirety.
Yeah those things have 0.0 budgets, unless Lifetime is making some huge play for marketshare they don't already have locked down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
Yeah I know just sort of joking. I believe they did say Ronda's schedule is booked at least through the summer tho.Quote:
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I read somewhere that Paige VanZant wanted to fight on the UFC 200 card and if that is possible the UFC should book her considering she is bit in the spotlight right now to an alternative audience in Dancing With The Stars. It wouldn't be a bad idea for that fight to kick off the ppv card. That show runs until late May so it might not be possible.
Prince vs Dada 5000
"Ryback_feed_me_more: Did you forget who the fuck Cormier beat for the Title?? Yes Rumble the guy who you think can beat Jones."
All... Should we just move this conversation to a private, moderated forum?
Because really this is untenable.
Not sure but I can see the point. Everybody says Rumble has a chance to beat Jones but Rumble is the one who got stopped by Cormier.. Logic dictates then why wouldn't Cormier have a chance to do the same to Jones?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Yes Jones beat Cormier last time they met but it went to the Judges. If Cormier gets Jones to the ground he could very well do to Jones what he did to Rumble..
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Originally Posted by ftpjesusNot sure but I can see the point. Everybody says Rumble has a chance to beat Jones but Rumble is the one who got stopped by Cormier.. Logic dictates then why wouldn't Cormier have a chance to do the same to Jones?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Yes Jones beat Cormier last time they met but it went to the Judges. If Cormier gets Jones to the ground he could very well do to Jones what he did to Rumble..
its called 'mmath' and its the hallmark of someone who has no idea how various styles, strengths, and weaknesses play against others.
Cormier made a good point during the press conference. Regardless of how the first fight went, if Jones fights DC like he did OSP he loses. I know he had a long layoff so he needs to get his shit straight before 200.
Yeah but Cormier will have to 'show up' at the next fight, dude looked like he wandered in off the street in that last fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspoker
Interesting tidbit; a hot mic in Jones' corner caught Greg Jackson saying that deadlifting had basically destroyed Jones' mma game.