technically speaking, they wouldnt be re-arresting him for anything, as this new site is.. a new site. which he started while on the lam. over charges related to his now defunct site. which was otherwise identical.
technically speaking, they wouldnt be re-arresting him for anything, as this new site is.. a new site. which he started while on the lam. over charges related to his now defunct site. which was otherwise identical.
No, I understand that, but it still would be considered a dirty trick when a high profile lawyer has a deal in place for his client to return to the US to face the prior charges, and then surprises everyone by popping him with another charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The reason it's considered dirty is because the prosecution has known about SWCpoker since February. So their lack of disclosure of their plans to charge him with this "new" crime would be considered sleazy.
Now, if Micon were to come back and start committing a completely new crime (say, he suddenly started a bitcoin sportsbetting site which took Nevada customers), then it would not be dirty to arrest him, as that would be a completely new matter.
Anyway, this is where I am now really confused.
Micon is still running SWCpoker -- or at least it still runs, and he presumably derives income from it. (Even in his one statement about the matter -- on bitcointalk -- he claimed he was "stepping away", but didn't say he sold it.)
Micon is coming back to face charges related to Seals -- basically the identical site to SWCpoker -- and presumably has some kind of deal in place.
So Nevada is going to make a deal with him regarding the charges of running Seals, but is just going to let him walk out and keep running SWCpoker behind the scenes?
In that case, what did Nevada accomplish? The same site they aimed to "shut down" is running under a slightly different name -- and started by the same guy they busted in the first place!
The only thing that would make sense would be a complete shutdown of SWCpoker being agreed to by Micon as part of the terms of probation. Someone on bitcointalk brought up this possibility, but people were dismissing it as unlikely, because nobody has been warned of an imminent shutdown. But perhaps Micon wants to extract every last penny of rake before this occurs, and then plans to abruptly shut down and pay everyone their balances.
at the risk of coming off like im arguing (im really not), one has to consider that sending an extraction team to arrest micon in aruba and take him back here to face the music would probably run what.. 25-40k, while inviting him back to plea out regarding his previous criminal endeavor so you can slam dunk new charges for his new criminal endeavor once he arrives is free.
hell micon is even paying for the plane tickets.
I'm just saying this would be a huge black eye for Chesnoff's reputation if the AG did this to Micon, given that SWCpoker has been known about (and in fact very public) since February.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
This would cause Chesnoff to say "fuck you" to the AG in the future when they want to make deals with his clients, and thus it won't happen.
The prosecution and high profile defense attorneys need each other, and both are harmed if that circle of trust is broken.
Also, pretty sure Chesnoff got them to promise NOT to arrest him for SWCpoker as a term for him returning. If he didn't, then he did some pretty shitty work on this one.
Again, this still leaves the piece of "What about SWCpoker?" completely missing at this moment. If its complete shutdown is a term of probation, the government can at least claim a win in that they closed a serious competitor to the NV poker sites. If SWCpoker remains open, with Micon simply claiming he "sold it" (whether true or false), then the NV government would have a huge load dripping right off of their faces.
I guess we'll see what happens here.
Tight scenario there pedotine
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffI'm just saying this would be a huge black eye for Chesnoff's reputation if the AG did this to Micon, given that SWCpoker has been known about (and in fact very public) since February.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
This would cause Chesnoff to say "fuck you" to the AG in the future when they want to make deals with his clients, and thus it won't happen.
The prosecution and high profile defense attorneys need each other, and both are harmed if that circle of trust is broken.
Also, pretty sure Chesnoff got them to promise NOT to arrest him for SWCpoker as a term for him returning. If he didn't, then he did some pretty shitty work on this one.
Again, this still leaves the piece of "What about SWCpoker?" completely missing at this moment. If its complete shutdown is a term of probation, the government can at least claim a win in that they closed a serious competitor to the NV poker sites. If SWCpoker remains open, with Micon simply claiming he "sold it" (whether true or false), then the NV government would have a huge load dripping right off of their faces.
I guess we'll see what happens here.
I hadnt considered the "Chesnoff would see this coming" factor, fair dinkum.
Ill just leave this here....
As owner of swcpoker.com I am able to monitor all visitors IP addresses.
What I have learned is the amount of players (percentage) that visit from the USA, down to the state.
I imagine it is extremely similar to swcpoker.eu
I will only say this, without the USA there is NO swcpoker in my opinion.
Useful info for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
And I agree.
There isn't much point to hassle with bitcoin gambling if you can do it for real money. I suppose the fast/easy cashouts can be a plus, but the downside is that the site doesn't have much traffic, plus you have to deal with the bitcoin-to-cash exchange, which isn't trivial, especially if you're not a bitcoin fanatic.
Some US players like SWCpoker (and the former Seals) because they can get quick cashouts. Bovada is actually very quick with cashouts, too, but that isn't widely known. Merge and the others suck.
But anyway, anything short of a complete SWCpoker shutdown as part of a plea bargain would be a huge fail on the part of the Nevada government.
The attorneys for the State of Nevada don't want to take this case to trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Micon will plead guilty to one count of running an unlicensed gambling business.
He will do anywhere from a few months to a year in prison and have several years of probation.
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Do you think that his probation officer will let Micon sit at home on his ass with no job and smoke pot all day with his friends?
Do you think that his probation officer will let Micon play poker tournaments or cash games in Las Vegas?
Micon may find out that being on probation for several years is worse than prison.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wTwVMmS9OEY/hqdefault.jpg
i dont see micon doing any time whatsoever, at least not intentionally.
hes raising his girl, martha needs him too. i can pretty much guarantee that he would rather pack up and move to someplace with no extradition than do more than a few weeks in a halfway house.
no other scenario is even remotely realistic in terms of his flying back to the states to sign off with.
"But anyway, anything short of a complete SWCpoker shutdown as part of a plea bargain would be a huge fail on the part of the Nevada government."
I agree, essentially they would only be slapping him on the wrist for what he did in the US so he can turn around and continue to do the exact same thing but from a safe place.
I just do not know if it is realistic to believe they can control his actions once he pays his price and leaves the country however.
How would that be written up?
I suppose the only way to deter US citizens or at least those in NV is to start targeting them specifically which is not realistic either since stopping a XXX+ people in NV from playing on swcpoker with no cooperation country/state wide is a waste of time.
On a side note it is fun to see when Bryan cannot help himself and checks in on the dot com lol
So you're seeing an Antigua IP coming in?Quote:
Originally Posted by TomQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I agree, essentially they would only be slapping him on the wrist for what he did in the US so he can turn around and continue to do the exact same thing but from a safe place.
I just do not know if it is realistic to believe they can control his actions once he pays his price and leaves the country however.
How would that be written up?
I suppose the only way to deter US citizens or at least those in NV is to start targeting them specifically which is not realistic either since stopping a XXX+ people in NV from playing on swcpoker with no cooperation country/state wide is a waste of time.
On a side note it is fun to see when Bryan cannot help himself and checks in on the dot com lol
I have looked at this thread and scanned for Antigua IPs but haven't seen any. So I assumed he is likely reading this through TOR or something else like that.
YES!
At one point he or "they" were monitoring my use once or twice a week. I do not think he cared much that I could see that or perhaps did not realize I could.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffSo you're seeing an Antigua IP coming in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
I have looked at this thread and scanned for Antigua IPs but haven't seen any. So I assumed he is likely reading this through TOR or something else like that.
So what happened to the bad feeling?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Sudden appearance of warmth & family values. Is this a low T issue?
The state has a case & Micon has an argument. He is not & has not backed down from offering unlicensed gambling to Nevada residents.
Nevada is welcoming their opponent to come back for a fair (lol) game. They ain't afraid of a confrontation. Why are you?
Engage Maverick.
"at least not intentionally"
I haven't been following the saga of Bryan Micon the international fugitive very closely in this thread
I know the basics...
but can someone post some quick cliffs with recent developments ?
TIA
This is not a cop killer were taking about here. I really don't know but I'm guessing a plea deal accepted by both sides is binding. Any trickery could provide the defendant with a case for dismissal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarSo what happened to the bad feeling?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Sudden appearance of warmth & family values. Is this a low T issue?
The state has a case & Micon has an argument. He is not & has not backed down from offering unlicensed gambling to Nevada residents.
Nevada is welcoming their opponent to come back for a fair (lol) game. They ain't afraid of a confrontation. Why are you?
Engage Maverick.
"They aren't afraid of a confrontation. Why are you?" What does that mean?
I await your response.
Recent developments:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
Micon has agreed to come back to Nevada to face the charges. Will likely be back this week.
Not clear if he is going to get any prison time, or what type of deal has been struck.
His new site, SWCpoker, is still running despite him returning to face charges for the original site.
sanlamar you usually seem like a good guy and write some very insightful and interesting things. except for this...Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarSo what happened to the bad feeling?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Sudden appearance of warmth & family values. Is this a low T issue?
The state has a case & Micon has an argument. He is not & has not backed down from offering unlicensed gambling to Nevada residents.
Nevada is welcoming their opponent to come back for a fair (lol) game. They ain't afraid of a confrontation. Why are you?
Engage Maverick.
sounds like you have a big woody to see the demise of Micon, YOU have 0.0 idea what will happen to him other than hopes and wishes. your analysis is well written and full of intellectual jargon. but it really is you speculating and hoping something bad will happen to Micon. Personally I hope nothing bad will happen to him or any one else on this board. I feel you must have a pretty miserable life your self to hope something bad to happen you have never met or even spoke with, especially when no one was damaged or injured and is in trouble because of a retarded law in the first place
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
best decision he's made in a LONG time imo
I have a gut feeling they aren't going to drop the hammer on him and be more lenient than expected
regardless, good for him for having the balls to face the music
just can't fathom that he would actual do any real prison time considering that he's cooperating now
I'm guessing a lengthy probation with a 5 figure-ish fine
25-40k (to pick a random number) to round up our boy. Since when does the government perform cost/benefit analysis. Especially judicial?
I was chiding you for surrendering second level thinking so quickly. I count on you to run counter to the mob. Trust your instincts. They are usually top top.
The reason for Micon's surrender to authorities will be something unforeseen.
Here's one scenario using the $25k line of thinking. Suppose the posse was mounting up and Chesnoff alerted Micon to the near term reality. Micon decides to willingly surrender. Looks better. Less difficult on front end.
The thread has now graduated to the thought that no additional charges (re arrest) for SWCPoker will be issued after the plea. Micon participated in offering an unlicensed gambling site to Nevada residents and made an additional effort to continue doing the same.
Why wouldn't Nevada want to got to trial? Cost? C'mon. It's a pretty sexy case for the establishment out there in sin city and not without merit.
Chesnoff and Nevada have zero aversion to a spending (making if your Chesnoff) money & time on this. Again, Micon's motivation at this time will likely surprise us. Could be as simple as Martha.
Engage
as fucking crazy as this sounds.... i wonder if chesnoff even knows the new SWC exists..
I would think so.
on a side note...
the WSOP coverage on Pokernews this year blows goats
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Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Suppose they come to a deal via phone. No advantage there? Like I said earlier a plea deal is no loss for Nevada, just the opposite. And If Micon's lawyers can satisfy the court tha justice has been served then it's in his best out despite any damages forthcoming.
I really am not an anti Micon guy. I find the story fascinating in terms of trying to get a read on Micon's motivation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker
Micon is scrappy and anti establishment. Two traits I admire. But Micon was before my time. I personally identify less with him than most. He is an interesting personality from what I gather. He is worthy of following cause he is different. I do not believe in karma either. So I am not ever going to feel he will get what he deserves for some slight he has performed. Good guys lose. Bad guys win, sometimes. Life ain't fair, right? I am way to cynical to ever use the term justice.
Everyone here says plea & probation. Let's suppose Micon intends to fight, maybe harness Chesnoff to win a case against a weak Nevada lawyer who graduated from a state school. I'll cheer that all day.
My life recently is miserable. That is a good read on your part. I am now grinding 9-5 and forced to interact with people. Nobody should have to exist like this. This was not the plan. Praying it ain't karma.
Is this a trap?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
We discussed the Wildcard involving Chesnoff relying on Micon for complete & accurate info. You had brought up the hard drives around this point. Surprises?
Failure to mention or be complete about the new SWC is well within his range.
I think there is far less here than more, Micon was not arrested or charged with anything the day of the raid, nor was his passport confiscated. I'm in agreement with those that say his high powered lawyer has cut a sweet deal for Micon. also agree with Todd, no chance the State pulls one over on Micons attorney, These type of attorneys know all the State players not only professionally but personally....I'm also guessing the "evidence" that was removed from Micon's house after examination showed Micon while involved in a criminal activity wasn't exactly the king pin making all the money.....I'll go out on a limb here and say Micon plays the Main Event this year...DDW
Vegas-based Bitcoin poker operator to return to US, face charge
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/la...us-face-charge
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The gaming charge carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a $50,000 fine, marks the first prosecution of a poker site that used the digital currency. Laxalt said in April that it was the first prosecution of a poker site that used the digital currency.
How much "considerable wealth" does Micon have?Quote:
At one point, Micon even made an unsuccessful attempt to purchase another poker site called Lock Poker, according to court documents.
“You can give me a quick google and see that I started SealsWithClubs.eu in 2011 and amassed a considerable wealth with the increase in Bitcoin price,” Micon wrote in a Skype conversation. “I plan to relaunch the (Lock Poker) brand and make all players whole.”
That site ultimately collapsed in April, leaving an estimated $15 million in player funds unpaid.
http://pnimg.net/w/articles/1/558/80cea1e15c.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
While I admit I have not keep up with all Micons endeavors, Until this article I don't recall any talk of Micon buying Lock Poker and make players whole.....The kid had a dream...
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Originally Posted by DannyDeadWoodQuote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
While I admit I have not keep up with all Micons endeavors, Until this article I don't recall any talk of Micon buying Lock Poker and make players whole.....The kid had a dream...
He had a lot of really amazing plans for the future when BTC were valued at 1200 each.
can you imagine if he actually pulled off the acquisition of lock and making the players whole? me either...but in an alternate reality where micon isnt a habitual bed-shitter this would have been epic
Hockey player Paetsch pleads guilty to role in gambling ring
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/jun...-gambling-rin/
I guess this is why Bryan Micon will return to Las Vegas.Quote:
A professional hockey player pleaded guilty Monday to being part of an illegal sports betting business that took wagers from other players.
Under an agreement with federal prosecutors, Nathan Paetsch will be sentenced to probation, 400 hours of community service and eight months of home confinement. He also must forfeit $265,000.
Paetsch, 32, played the last three seasons in the American Hockey League. Before that, he spent part of five seasons with the National Hockey League's Buffalo Sabres, through 2010.
He was involved with a gambling operation that took bets through offshore websites, authorities said, placing wagers himself and receiving credit when he recruited fellow players and others to bet.
Two principals of the operation, brothers Mark and Joseph Ruff, of Connecticut, were sentenced this year to nine years and just under 3 1/2 years in prison, respectively, after pleading guilty to illegal gambling and other charges. A third man, Paul Borrelli, of Rochester, is awaiting sentencing.
Paetsch's attorney said the player's involvement in the business was minimal, and neither he nor the hockey players he introduced to the operation ever bet on hockey.
David Chesnoff must have guaranteed Micon would not serve any jail time, even if his case escalates to federal charges.
Micon must believe that he can get him off completely.
http://pnimg.net/lrep/1856/16/m3f0571549f.jpg
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Originally Posted by TheXFactor
describing micon as anything less than a principle of the defunct criminal enterprise and the kingpin of the current one seems like a stretch... thursday is going to be incredible in any case.Quote:
Two principals of the operation, brothers Mark and Joseph Ruff, of Connecticut, were sentenced this year to nine years and just under 3 1/2 years in prison, respectively, after pleading guilty to illegal gambling and other charges. A third man, Paul Borrelli, of Rochester, is awaiting sentencing.
Druff, any plans on sending an envoy from PFA to the court house? Cletus perhaps?
Hearing might not be public, but the front steps should yield some lol photos.
WSOP cut them loose as the live updates provider. They got their own team in-house now, which doesn't seem to have been a popular move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
Now that his poker career is over he can concentrate on becoming America's premier male model.
alot has happened over the last 10 years.now thiers new kids new women and older lives.thiers been one wsop braclet winner.as far as trouble druff cant even spell the word. hes very well respected. then thiers micon druff partner that just seems to still run into it..you cant have a poker room thats not lienced by the state..micon i see no point of you going to jail or a big fine. i want people to learn what could happen if they break the lawput you on a bail that would keep you in jail until trail time which i would need 3 to 4 years to be ready.its a word that some need its called example out of.
for you you would have to admit you were wrong and i would fine you 25k to be paid over a 5 year spam no probathion or jail time. the message to others is out thier for all to understand. if you perfer to go to trail thats 3 years away if you lose you will be a grandfather w hen you get out
I have no plans to send anyone from PFA down the courthouse, and I'm not going.
But if anyone goes, feel free to report here what happened.