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Well........i guess manson is better than Hitler?
I bet "cathy" laughs at all his jokes
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Originally Posted by Wiganer
no, ur an English moron. LOL @ any of u foreign faggots even trying to participate in these discussions. I actually have an eye for this shit and I don't even try to understand foreign politics cuz I know there's things about it I cant compute. and yet we have the talentless lord of the trash in this thread constantly. But anyways, the American ppl are absolutely fed up with THE SWAMP. that's why we elected a black man named Hussein Obama, cuz we had HOPE he was supposedly gonna CHANGE things. He was quickly absorbed by THE SWAMP.
And now we have a guy who may actually have the balls to do it, that's why we love him.
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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
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Mintjewlips is a drooling window licker------The Lurker
My god its a trip to actually read a lengthy post from a card carrying member of team retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by Wiganer
no, ur an English moron. LOL @ any of u foreign faggots even trying to participate in these discussions. I actually have an eye for this shit and I don't even try to understand foreign politics cuz I know there's things about it I cant compute. and yet we have the talentless lord of the trash in this thread constantly. But anyways, the American ppl are absolutely fed up with THE SWAMP. that's why we elected a black man named Hussein Obama, cuz we had HOPE he was supposedly gonna CHANGE things. He was quickly absorbed by THE SWAMP.
And now we have a guy who may actually have the balls to do it, that's why we love him.
We're in such a bad place as a society now that these malleable sub-100 IQ betas feel empowered.
I've fallen and I can't get up- Mrs Fletcher
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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
The way you insult people using personal information is creepy as shit. How terrible do you feel about your life? Lewfather 2.0
go chase this around and not score moronQuote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeMy god its a trip to actually read a lengthy post from a card carrying member of team retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
We're in such a bad place as a society now that these malleable sub-100 IQ betas feel empowered.
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Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
ill tell you why im not really freaking out about this.. virtually every aspect of life in america swings between two polarized opposites, culturally. right now, gender reassignment is the new prozac, if not the new aspirin. a lot of people are choosing reassignment surgery when what they really need is to get to the root of *why* they feel compelled to pursue it. and because we (the left) have decided that any effort to 'tap the breaks' in that process is intrusive, prejudiced fear and an infringement on personal liberty, a lot of people are making irrevocable mistakes that push them over the edge.
tl;dr: gender reassignment should be undertaken by people choosing to pursue it from a place of mental well being and stability, but we are telling people who crave mental well being and stability that gender reassignment can solve their problems. thats fucking disgraceful.
so yeah until we de-stigmatize the assertion that carving up your body and pumping it full of life-changing hormones should be an end not a mean, a lot of legitimately unbalanced people are going to end up in the queue.
so yeah im not entirely up in arms about this, pragmatically speaking. least of all because most trannies cant pass for shit.
JimmyG_415: I actually have an eye for this shit-Sidedish,....that seems to be the Alt-Rt line, like they do their own research and shit. I leave it to WAPO and NYT.
and ur one of the biggest stooges in the thread. only guy I can think of right now that would give vegas1369 a run for top political donkey. ya ur worse, he just posts more
i've mentioned this before here, but the suicide rate is insanely high for transgender people.Quote:
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Originally Posted by The_Lurker
Statistically, the military runs bad with people suffering from quantifiable mental defects. Not all transgender people have mental defects. But because we fail outright at even admitting the need to screen them pre-surgery, this becomes a pretty straight forward equity decision.
if we, as a society, are so politically correct that we can't admit that someone who is so unhappy that they elect to undergo drastic reconstructive surgery may have mental issues, we deserve trump
Every tranny faggot needs to be issued a few books on Norse Mythology and they will all feel like bosses. (It still grosses me the fuck out though)
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Originally Posted by thesidedishgo chase this around and not score moronQuote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
What would Trump have to do to lose a proud American like yourself? Try to think about it.
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Originally Posted by blakei've mentioned this before here, but the suicide rate is insanely high for transgender people.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
if we, as a society, are so politically correct that we can't admit that someone who is so unhappy that they elect to undergo drastic reconstructive surgery may have mental issues, we deserve trump
lol so somebody who feels that they're biologically wired wrong are automatically mentally ill if they follow through with the operation?
Higher suicide rates may account for the difficulty in coming out.
Pretty sure the suicide rate amongst poofs was also through the roof in the days before society was less tolerant.
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Originally Posted by blakei've mentioned this before here, but the suicide rate is insanely high for transgender people.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
if we, as a society, are so politically correct that we can't admit that someone who is so unhappy that they elect to undergo drastic reconstructive surgery may have mental issues, we deserve trump
Then explain Kristin Beck... of course they have higher rates of suicide, they are constantly being bullied, diminished and put down by peers and authority figures alike... there is nothing wrong with feeling like your body does not match with your gender identity. The problem is all of us that make them feel shitty about it because we don't understand or comprehend what they go through.
I have a family member who from the age of literally 1 liked to play with dolls and wasn't interested in things that most of us considered "normal" for a young boy. They were super nice, and as they grew up they became an awesome cook, made their own clothes, and cut hair. We were brutal as kids to them. Adults tried to get them to play sports and drink beer and even put them into football where they got their ass kicked mercilessly.
They moved away at the age of 19 and got into to fitness. Got into insanely good shape and ran marathons. Transitioned into a woman and she's been so happy. I spoke to her about 7 years ago and she told me how brutal it was when everyone picked on them and how they'd hear the adults talk about them and call her names. I felt terrible. This person still welcomed me into their home, made me dinner, played with my son and forgave me for being an ignorant asshole.
If you had to deal with identity issues, which are insanely complex while your family and peers tell you how it's weird and you are going to hell etc etc.... ya that makes you suicidal. People like you guys are the problem, not them.
Fuck of with this nonsense that something is wrong with them. Something is wrong with us.
i love how in 2017 this is super-controversial but, yes i'm suggesting that if you are a boy that believes that you are a woman and vice-versa, you may in fact be mentally ill.
remember rachel dolezal? the "trans-racial" woman that ran a chapter of the NAACP, who was born white but identifies as black? it's funny that both the left and the right condemned her, even accusing her of "cultural misappropriation."
in about 3 years -- seriously -- it will be deemed politically incorrect for us to even mock someone who identifies as trans-racial. that's how quickly these things change.
not that i'm opposed to it, but remember when gay marriage was universally frowned upon? so much so that even liberal democrats were publically against it -- like, obama for example??? that was literally like 7 years ago.
yep, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the FraudQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
lol so somebody who feels that they're biologically wired wrong are automatically mentally ill if they follow through with the operation?
Higher suicide rates may account for the difficulty in coming out.
Pretty sure the suicide rate amongst poofs was also through the roof in the days before society was less tolerant.
would you also be willing to concede that a suicide rate of over 20 times the norm may be a sign that just maybe.... there might possibly be some underlying mental issues at play? or are we literally in such a politically correct society that we can't have that discussion.
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Originally Posted by blakeyep, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
would you also be willing to concede that a suicide rate of over 20 times the norm may be a sign that just maybe.... there might possibly be some underlying mental issues at play? or are we literally in such a politically correct society that we can't have that discussion.
They are not mentally ill... we are mentally ill for mercilessly attacking them for being themselves because it doesn't fit what we consider normal.
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Originally Posted by El GalloQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
Then explain Kristin Beck... of course they have higher rates of suicide, they are constantly being bullied, diminished and put down by peers and authority figures alike... there is nothing wrong with feeling like your body does not match with your gender identity. The problem is all of us that make them feel shitty about it because we don't understand or comprehend what they go through.
I have a family member who from the age of literally 1 liked to play with dolls and wasn't interested in things that most of us considered "normal" for a young boy. They were super nice, and as they grew up they became an awesome cook, made their own clothes, and cut hair. We were brutal as kids to them. Adults tried to get them to play sports and drink beer and even put them into football where they got their ass kicked mercilessly.
They moved away at the age of 19 and got into to fitness. Got into insanely good shape and ran marathons. Transitioned into a woman and she's been so happy. I spoke to her about 7 years ago and she told me how brutal it was when everyone picked on them and how they'd hear the adults talk about them and call her names. I felt terrible. This person still welcomed me into their home, made me dinner, played with my son and forgave me for being an ignorant asshole.
If you had to deal with identity issues, which are insanely complex while your family and peers tell you how it's weird and you are going to hell etc etc.... ya that makes you suicidal. People like you guys are the problem, not them.
Fuck of with this nonsense that something is wrong with them. Something is wrong with us.
Not sure I agree with you. Dysmorphias are real. There are certainly innersex conditions which are real, but rare. With a normal hormone panel I'm not sure. I've seen studies from respected non-religious psychiatrists who disagree with your thoughts. The suicide rates are higher for post-op than pre-op. I don't pretend to know for sure, no one can outside innersex conditions, but logic dictates you might not want to take the cure if it causes your mortality to spike upward. I truly don't give a fuck. If you think you're a fucking panda I'll throw you some bamboo, but it doesn't mean you're not mentally ill rather than a panda.
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Originally Posted by blakeyep, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
would you also be willing to concede that a suicide rate of over 20 times the norm may be a sign that just maybe.... there might possibly be some underlying mental issues at play? or are we literally in such a politically correct society that we can't have that discussion.
You are rationalizing your own bias. My regular doctor is a dear friend (closer than family kind of friend) She dresses like a professional and is very smart and has her shit together. She is favorite drinking buddy, and trust me she is a fucking man on the inside. no mental illness, no crazy bitch, just a very smart very funny man.
Does being a guy and sucking dick constitute as a mental illness to you as well? I feel like it's the same argument. You think that a man feeling like a woman is unnatural or a a disease... being gay used to be considered a disease as well 40 years ago..... so why is it that if someone's gender identity does not match what you deem normal it is a mental disorder?
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Originally Posted by blakeyep, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
would you also be willing to concede that a suicide rate of over 20 times the norm may be a sign that just maybe.... there might possibly be some underlying mental issues at play? or are we literally in such a politically correct society that we can't have that discussion.
Fuck the political correctness of it all. It's the lack of tolerance for shit we don't understand I find disappointing.
Imagine as a straight guy sharing a sloppy wet 5 minute kiss with another man? It sounds absolutely disgusting. Not enough tea in China to ever make me do that.
But we now fully accept that kiss comes completely natural to many. We don't give a gay couple a second glance these days.
So why give a tranny the stigma of somebody who is "mentally ill" because they want to practice something that comes completely natural to them?
Paging LLL to resolve trannygate.
while i agree with much of what you're saying, this rationale -- that we can't suggest that there is any correlation between being transgender and mental illness -- is the reason that it's legal for children to mutilate themselves in a lot of states. it's simply not acceptable in modern society to question whether this correlation exists.Quote:
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Originally Posted by blake
Fuck the political correctness of it all. It's the lack of tolerance for shit we don't understand I find disappointing.
Imagine as a straight guy sharing a sloppy wet 5 minute kiss with another man? It sounds absolutely disgusting. Not enough tea in China to ever make me do that.
But we now fully accept that kiss comes completely natural to many. We don't give a gay couple a second glance these days.
So why give a tranny the stigma of somebody who is "mentally ill" because they want to practice something that comes completely natural to them?
sidenote -- how much lower is the suicide rate for post-op transgender people compared to pre-op?
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if i'm white but say i'm black, should that just be accepted? seriously, where are we on this issue in 2017? i really don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
where do you think we will be in 2020? rachel dolezal will be deemed the trans-racial rosa parks at this point
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Originally Posted by blakewhile i agree with much of what you're saying, this rationale -- that we can't suggest that there is any correlation between being transgender and mental illness -- is the reason that it's legal for children to mutilate themselves in a lot of states. it's simply not acceptable in modern society to question whether this correlation exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
sidenote -- how much lower is the suicide rate for post-op transgender people compared to pre-op?
I'd like to see the suicide rates way back when after a gay man came or was forced out of the closet. I bet if society started showing similar tolerance towards transgenders as they now do for gays, then those higher post-op suicide rates would fall dramatically.
I believe it's a stigma problem more than a mental one.
That said. There was a pre-op trans guy from Canada on GMB hosted by Piers Morgan who refused to identify his small child as either a boy or girl.
Said the child would remain "gender neutral" until 'its' old enough to decide what sex it wants to be lol
I mean there's tolerance then there's fucking tolerance!
You are changing the question. The question is about whether living with a gender identity issue is a mental illness. You haven't said why you think it's a mental illness other than to say that transgender people have a much higher rate of suicide. I then provide a simple reasoning for that. They grow up confused because they are different and mercilessly picked on by both peers and authority figures. They are made to feel small by everyone in society. Would you agree that would make someone much more likely to have mental issues? You are trying to imply that having a gender identity crises in it of itself causes you to be mentally ill and want to kill yourself...Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeif i'm white but say i'm black, should that just be accepted? seriously, where are we on this issue in 2017? i really don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
where do you think we will be in 2020? rachel dolezal will be deemed the trans-racial rosa parks at this point
I'm saying that is horseshit, and the issue is that we as a society fuck these people up... what is the suicide rate for gay people in say San Francisco as opposed to gay people in Mobile Alabama?
The only reason I can think of for you thinking it is a mental illness is that you don't qualify it as normal or natural. Much like many used to think it was a sickness to be gay or crave dick. But we don't say gay people are mentally ill now do we? Why do you think it's ok to catagorize someone with a different gender identity that is outside what you feel is normal as mentally ill?
while i can't definitively state that having a "gender identity crisis" (lol at 2017) causes you to be mentally ill, i can state with certainty that even trans people who are "passable" or have welcoming loving parents and do not suffer from discrimination have a much higher than average suicide rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloYou are changing the question. The question is about whether living with a gender identity issue is a mental illness. You haven't said why you think it's a mental illness other than to say that transgender people have a much higher rate of suicide. I then provide a simple reasoning for that. They grow up confused because they are different and mercilessly picked on by both peers and authority figures. They are made to feel small by everyone in society. Would you agree that would make someone much more likely to have mental issues? You are trying to imply that having a gender identity crises in it of itself causes you to be mentally ill and want to kill yourself...Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
I'm saying that is horseshit, and the issue is that we as a society fuck these people up... what is the suicide rate for gay people in say San Francisco as opposed to gay people in Mobile Alabama?
The only reason I can think of for you thinking it is a mental illness is that you don't qualify it as normal or natural. Much like many used to think it was a sickness to be gay or crave dick. But we don't say gay people are mentally ill now do we? Why do you think it's ok to catagorize someone with a different gender identity that is outside what you feel is normal as mentally ill?
also, the difference in suicide rate between pre-op and post-op trans is not as great as you would think.
now please humor me with my transracial question. why is it that liberals have such a difficult time even addressing this question? should transracial people be as accepted as transgender people? would you be a bigot to not respect my black racial identity even though i'm a fake internet asian?
It would be strange to ban wiggers from enlisting. If your only "flaw" is that you identify with another race, you should be allowed to serve your country.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeif i'm white but say i'm black, should that just be accepted? seriously, where are we on this issue in 2017? i really don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
where do you think we will be in 2020? rachel dolezal will be deemed the trans-racial rosa parks at this point
The original issue about pentagon paying sex change operations is perfectly rational. Outright banning a group of people that have been in the military for a while is just retarded. It's just discrimination based on fuck all.
is it too stigmatizing to even entertain the possibility that there is a correlation between being trans and being mentally ill? are we at that point?Quote:
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Originally Posted by blake
I'd like to see the suicide rates way back when after a gay man came or was forced out of the closet. I bet if society started showing similar tolerance towards transgenders as they now do for gays, then those higher post-op suicide rates would fall dramatically.
I believe it's a stigma problem more than a mental one.
cause like 50% of trans people try and kill themselves but that's probably fake news.
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To be honest I've got tolerance issues of my own.
I can fully tolerate Blakes opinion on the subject. Because it's just that - an opinion.
What I can't tolerate are peoples negative views on the subject because of shit they've read in the bible.
Those are the people we need to be stigmatising. Which probably equates to around 65% of this hillbilly/redneck forum.
Every scientist in the world can look at your DNA and tell you your gender or ethnicity.
So if you're going to argue with something that definitive, I think it's fair to question why. You can presume, but that's not scientific. If you start to muddy what's science and what's not, you help those who want to obfuscate climate science and other real science for their own purposes.
Stigmatizing anything is idiotic, whether it be mental illness or real. Either way the person deserves compassion. If I had to bet on it, I'd put transgender being a naturally occurring phenomena as a 60/40 favorite over mental illness, but 60/40 is gut feeling territory, it's not science.
That's entirely different than sexual preference where science can't look at your DNA and guess with any reliable accuracy.
That religious zealots treated them in a similar stigmatizing manner in the past is irrelevant. Your gender is hard wired into the very fabric of who you are in almost all. Who you like to sex isn't in any verifiable manner as far as I'm aware.
And I'm super close to asking Druff to change my name to "Lady of the Manor"Quote:
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Originally Posted by blakeis it too stigmatizing to even entertain the possibility that there is a correlation between being trans and being mentally ill? are we at that point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
cause like 50% of trans people try and kill themselves but that's probably fake news.
No, having the debate is a good thing. I believe it would eventually lead to greater tolerance for trans if the debate was held openly without fear of being labelled a transphobe or w/e.
But just leave the bible bashers out of the discussion as we know they're never changing their views.
Whats creepy is posting private information about yourself on a public forum as a desperate plea for attention and expecting for that information not to be subjected to ridicule, how long have you been on these forums??Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
The way you insult people using personal information is creepy as shit. How terrible do you feel about your life? Lewfather 2.0
What's also creepy is allowing people with a gender crisis to join the military and totally ignoring the fact that those issues come with severe mental illness to say the least.
Doubt anyone in this thread has denied that there's a correlation between being trans and mental illnesses. Only thing that has been denied is the causation.Quote:
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Originally Posted by blake
No, having the debate is a good thing. I believe it would eventually lead to greater tolerance for trans if the debate was held openly without fear of being labelled a transphobe or w/e.
But just leave the bible bashers out of the discussion as we know they're never changing their views.
Discrimination among other reasons have been shown to have an effect in mental well being. Also in this case less discrimination is better, just in case you were confused how it works.
No one is saying you should get a pass from anything regarding mental or physical health while enlisting/serving just because you're transgender.
It's weird for me that this ban is even legal.