I think c/c is best. b/f is gross and b/c is bad. Depending on opp you could do all 3 its really opp dependent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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I think c/c is best. b/f is gross and b/c is bad. Depending on opp you could do all 3 its really opp dependent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Druff it pains me to say this but you have no No-Limit game at all at the moment and you might as well be lighting $10K on fire. You've posted half-a-dozen hands where you mangled the play horribly and I'm sure there were more. You're still thinking in terms of "trapping" in a hand where as soon as the villain showed strength you folded (Nice trap!). Bet for value, or bet as a bluff, don't "trap". Your opponents aren't good enough that they need to be "trapped". Next year put in some hours playing 1/2 NL before playing the Main Event so that you'll remember how the fish think and play.
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I haven't heard the word ''spaz'' used since before you were born. Where did you learn it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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You're probably right, and this is actually a recent development.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJNever ever check. You have to much limti holdem in your game your always looking to c/r or raise but nlhe is about value betting and this spot is the absolute nuts to value bet him to death. If you do c/r your hand is face up and he can fold a ton of hands that he would still call a bet with. The only real hand he calls a c/r with is a fl draw so if it hits then u b/f and if it misses u c/c or c/r river.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
This is because I have incorporated a lot more tricky check-raising into my LHE game in the past 2 years, so I can confuse my opponents to never know whether I'm checking due to weakness or because I'm trying to get them to bet with the worse hand, get raised, and call down because people don't like folding in LHE.
The problem is that people DO like folding in NL, so this style doesn't translate well.
I wasn't doing things like this in 2010 (when I finished 88th) and 2011 (when I finished over 100k first day).
This will be a mistake I won't repeat next year.
I know you are trying to help here and not troll, but I think you are being a bit too harsh here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShawnFanningsLimpDick
I posted 6 hands here, but I definitely didn't mangle all of them. There are 3 hands which I think were not played right, and the other three were done correctly, in my opinion.
1) AA vs AQ on AQx board: I should have bet the turn instead of checked in attempt to trap
2) QT (straight) vs KJ (top 2) on board where 3rd heart hit river: Correct. Bet for value the whole way (though if I put him on top 2, which was impossible, I would have bet bigger) and then checked river with intent to call.
3) K7 (BB) on K764 board against 50s-white-guy on button: Correct. After 3-bet-check-raising flop, fold turn when white guy raises my 12k to 25k on seemingly blank 4. Pretty sure he had 66 here. Nothing else makes sense, and watching him play after that confirmed that he was tight and didn't seem to run moves on people.
4) AQ on button vs ?? against aggro kid in BB: I should have either 4-bet pre or just called flop. More importantly, I should have checked behind with the Q turn (then snap-called river), since it was a way ahead/way behind situation.
5) Q8s on button vs loose-aggro spaz Euro, flop 883: I should have shipped the turn, putting him on a naked Ad or AA/AT with Ad -- either way I was ahead, and even if behind I likely had 10 outs.
6) AT vs 55 on AT5 flop (bust hand): Correct. This was a cooler and I didn't have enough chips to fold on the turn, even though the player was older and seemed straightforward. The 9 on the turn made it too possible he had A5/A9/AT and I didn't have enough chips to lay it down.
So while I definitely could have played 3 of these better (especially #5 which would have netted me an extra 50k chips), I didn't mangle 6 out of 6 hands.
of course I'm not 'trolling' , but honestly Todd...
after all these years playing poker, haven't you learned yet that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a fuck about bad beat stories ?
we've all suffered horrible beats and misplayed hands
time to lock it up imo
Anyone who hates these threads can just refrain from opening them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
Also, there is very little poker content here, so a thread like this every so often is fine, especially when it's about a major event like the WSOP.
C'mon guy, there aren't many poker threads on this forum, I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on the hands than bullshit trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
You're a better player than you get credit for, so let's hear it son.
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonutsC'mon guy, there aren't many poker threads on this forum, I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on the hands than bullshit trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
You're a better player than you get credit for, so let's hear it son.
wasn't trolling at all
I don't just find hand history discussion all that interesting
I guess it's therapeutic to vent when you get sucked out on, or play a hand questionably...but for the listener, bad beat stories just simply aren't that compelling, or particularly interesting
I suppose I'd do the same thing if I busted out of the main on a bad run of beats
but I'm the point now where I just try to put losing hands behind me and move on to the next one
wasn't there at a guy at the Rio a few years back during the main event that was charging people like 50 bucks to let them bitch about bad beats ? lol I think that dude cleaned up
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
ok I surrender
which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?
serve it up Bags
Damn Mexicans are lazy. Pick one of the 6 hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by TydeQuote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
ok I surrender
which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?
serve it up Bags
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Originally Posted by sonatine
this is why you continuously reiterate your general disdain for any kind of poker discussion and play Badugi and O8 (on occasion), when you aren't beating off furiously to God knows what kind of sick ass shit
because you're a neanderthal at holdem
nice of you to suddenly become interested in poker discussion though
great timing
do yourself a favor and never play a single hand of NLHE ever again
Fuck if I know dude I didn't read that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TydeQuote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
ok I surrender
which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?
serve it up Bags
WOAH Tyde called your bluff tbag. Good read Tyde.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonutsFuck if I know dude I didn't read that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonutsFuck if I know dude I didn't read that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
ROFL Bags
Druff
this is how you play A/Q
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...308_74543DAAA1
here's how you play pocket deuces
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...179_28954C449C
lol same guy too
If I had to rate which hand you played the worst it would be #4. You really butchered it especially when you folded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI know you are trying to help here and not troll, but I think you are being a bit too harsh here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShawnFanningsLimpDick
I posted 6 hands here, but I definitely didn't mangle all of them. There are 3 hands which I think were not played right, and the other three were done correctly, in my opinion.
1) AA vs AQ on AQx board: I should have bet the turn instead of checked in attempt to trap Yes
2) QT (straight) vs KJ (top 2) on board where 3rd heart hit river: Correct. Bet for value the whole way (though if I put him on top 2, which was impossible, I would have bet bigger) and then checked river with intent to call. Dont remember this one
3) K7 (BB) on K764 board against 50s-white-guy on button: Correct. After 3-bet-check-raising flop, fold turn when white guy raises my 12k to 25k on seemingly blank 4. Pretty sure he had 66 here. Nothing else makes sense, and watching him play after that confirmed that he was tight and didn't seem to run moves on people. Agreed
4) AQ on button vs ?? against aggro kid in BB: I should have either 4-bet pre or just called flop. More importantly, I should have checked behind with the Q turn (then snap-called river), since it was a way ahead/way behind situation. Yes but I dont think you have to check behind turn unless your not calling a raise. Checking behind and calling river is better then b/f turn
5) Q8s on button vs loose-aggro spaz Euro, flop 883: I should have shipped the turn, putting him on a naked Ad or AA/AT with Ad -- either way I was ahead, and even if behind I likely had 10 outs. Im ok with calling to keep his bluffs in. I think shoving here is correct only because we know his hand. The one thing I didnt think of until after I posted sometimes weak passive fish will lead a small flush there because they dont want to see a 4th diamond, so if you call and a d hits you can turn your hand into a bluff against the right opponent. fyi dont do it in low stakes cash because they wont fold theyd rather call and show how they were ahead then fold.
6) AT vs 55 on AT5 flop (bust hand): Correct. This was a cooler and I didn't have enough chips to fold on the turn, even though the player was older and seemed straightforward. The 9 on the turn made it too possible he had A5/A9/AT and I didn't have enough chips to lay it down. Super standard
So while I definitely could have played 3 of these better (especially #5 which would have netted me an extra 50k chips), I didn't mangle 6 out of 6 hands.
flop re raise for 8k was wrong...either call, shove or fold...calling keeps pot small enough to get away cheap later, but raise to 8k bloats pot and puts a lot of your stack in.....if i though utg is predictable, button probably does too and could be making a move...trip sixes possible, but so is K6, 9c8c, 5c4c, enough range to consider a shove....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff