Two thumbs up! I got into it with Phil Hellmuth at the table today

So what about the floor?

is he wrong too?

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Ruthlessly, defending your money is how Druff is wired as a poker player. Maybe it's a chicken or egg thing with him. We all recognize it's prolly the secret to his surviving when nearly everyone else did not.

I guess the only question is how uncompromising you are with your money with regard to an 80 yr old man. Druff knew Helmuth's intention too. He gave him no quarter. Not him - not the Subway clerk - no one.

If you agree poker is blood sport then this is a minor example of the coincidental entertainment.

Maybe it's a weak example, but I am recalling Jamie Gold - working every edge with his mouth - very entertaining and hardly an example of poker etiquette.

I understand this game too. I choose to troll Helmuth vs Druff here.

Parting thought:
Only degenerates get to write poker memoirs. The rest is vanity publishing.

A Tyde memoir ghosted by Sonatine (in his style) would outsell Helmuth. I'd take action on that and I'm not degen.

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In this instance i'm on Druff's side considering he was dealing with the slipperiest of snakes. Possibly a paedophile too.

Was fully deserved.

Just personally i'm not doing the same to a random unless i've got some/any inkling that he's a cunt who'd do the same to me.

Certainly not for one bet in limit fucking holdem anyway.

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Pedophilia & social justice - nope, sorry.

I would have enjoyed just as much if Helmuth did this to Druff. It would have been in Helmuths range too

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Originally Posted by LarryLaffer

So what about the floor?

is he wrong too?

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If he heard the whole story then absolutely. But honestly there is almost no chance he did. Floors want everything to smoothly and no weirdness so they will always give the answer that best suits that to a question. So if you ask one of them if you can use thumbs up as your raise they will all so no because the last thing they want to do is start that trend. Buuuuut, if you tell one of them it happened, the dealer called it out, and seven people folded based on that info, well then yes Larry it is a raise. I was going nuts earliar but then I realized how it made sense. If Druff comes back and says that the dealer explained every detail of the hand to the floor I will go nuts again.

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Originally Posted by LarryLaffer

Unless you're Humberto Brenes,

a thumbs up doesn't mean raise.



LOL

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seriously guys the footage of humberto announcing raises with his thumbs up at wsop is so legendary that we have a fucking animated gif meme of it around here someplace.

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Brittney Griner's Clit: Where the fuck is the Miranda room?

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It's where the poker kitchen used to be.

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Ruthlessly, defending your money is how Druff is wired as a jew.

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FYP

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by LarryLaffer

Unless you're Humberto Brenes,

a thumbs up doesn't mean raise.



LOL

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seriously guys the footage of humberto announcing raises with his thumbs up at wsop is so legendary that we have a fucking animated gif meme of it around here someplace.

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I am not usually a "rules asshole" at the table, and tend to let small things go, even if I can use the rule to angle a favorable position for myself.

This one was an exception, because it was Phil Hellmuth. Between his treatment of people at the table and his UB ownership/representation, I didn't mind rule angling him.

I also wasn't looking to screw the other 7 who folded in front of me. When it came to my BB decision, that's when it dawned on me that perhaps the "thumbs up" motion wasn't an official raise.

You want to hear rule angling?

On Day 6 of the 2010 Main Fucking Event, I accidentally folded my BB face up because I didn't see someone had called, and thought the hand was over. Nobody cared. Except Tristan Wade, who piped up, "Wait! That's a penalty! That needs to be a penalty."

I explained to Tristan that I just missed seeing the chips across the table calling the bet (the WSOP felts tend to be busy with ads), and honestly thought the hand was over. He held steady and said, "We need to go by the rules."

The floor issued me a 20-minute penalty -- shortstacked on Day 6 of the Main!

I was furious. Later, Tristan apologized when I called him out on Twitter and on Donkdown (I gave it to him at the table for this, too), but I don't know if the apology was sincere. He and I didn't know each other prior to this, so it wasn't about history.

Oddly, this EXACT scenario happened with Theo Tran minutes earlier across the room, and he also got a penalty.

the real money is the Parko thumbs up gif but this one at least gets our point across.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

This one was an exception, because it was Phil Hellmuth.

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this is 100% valid here, he dug his grave a long time ago. but yeah obviously that would be some classless shit against a random.

Druff we don't care about the 2010 Main Event.

We care about you winning the Limit Tourney you're on Day 2 of.

ok so im clear here....

PH never stole any money yeah?

also, re: the stuff he does at the tables....

I do recall him buying an entire table AN ice cream cup.

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Originally Posted by LarryLaffer

Unless you're Humberto Brenes,

a thumbs up doesn't mean raise.



LOL

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De chark is hoooooooongry

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Originally Posted by hongkonger

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Originally Posted by LarryLaffer

Unless you're Humberto Brenes,

a thumbs up doesn't mean raise.



LOL

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De chark is hoooooooongry

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z-wHeM99Ic

Humberto been doing that move since i was a toddler


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uysDWcrNz6Y

Instead of taking a river phone call can we get Brandon to call Phil again? Hopefully he's not at Best Buy with his son again and completely available for a random interview

o/u post 97 Tyde coming in and blowing this thing to smithereens

Is Druff at like a coast to the money stack or does he have to win a few hands today. Not like he would play extremely scared to bubble but you know what I mean. The reason I ask is that I feel poor Jsearles forum life depends on a cash here.

So is it a wsop rule that all raises have to be verbalized? If he would have thrown out two 500 chips instead of a single 1k chip would that have constituted a raise?

In most cash games I've played one chip is always a call unless raise is verbalized, but if you put out multiple chips in the amount of a legal raise, it's always a raise even if it's accidental.