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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
If I have nothing to hide, I will let them search my car. I don't have to, but if it will diffuse a situation quicker, yes I would allow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
Other than that, I always try to keep any contact with police safe and non-threatening. If I have any complaints, I will make them later through a legal process.
Fighting with police is not "protecting" anything, and will just worsen the situation.
lololololol
What are the chances that this "victim" ends up in jail for some kind of violent offense by age 20?
Would any of you want to bet against that?
Why do so many of these media-publicized "brutality" cases always center around horrible, disruptive people, and casting them as victims?
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't understand your point. So you're saying that you know my social and political viewpoints after observing me here for over 14,000 posts and 3 1/2 years? Good job, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
I can also predict your reaction to any news story about America. As can just about anyone else here. But that doesn't really say anything besides the fact that your resentment for America's establishment is well known.
You constantly show a ridiculously hardline approach to behaviour that doesn't meet your with your standards. Everything is black & white to you.
Just the other week you were calling for bombs to rain down on Jamaica and troops into Nigeria because there's a scamming ring running out of said countries.
I mean look at the reaction to your opinions ITT. You're in a small minority and it kills you why more people are not as stone cold as you are (thank fuck)
I'll just mention to you that the floor is a weapon. I don't expect you to have known that. An 8ft drop would have killed her, a 2 ft drop with downward force is enough to do great bodily harm to an unfit teenage girl. That's really the trifecta of breakable human body types.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffCome on. She wasn't body slammed. Watch the video again.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
He lifted her up, and then put her on the ground, without her body being above desk level. He did not "body slam" her in any way, and in fact if you watch the first motion closely, you can already see her struggling. Then you can see her foot going up trying to kick him, at which point he grabs her and throws her to the other side of the room (again, not high up, but more to get her out of the way of everyone else). That's where she was in most danger of getting injured, but it's pretty clear she was already fighting him at this point.
You're making it sound like he lifted her 6 feet in the air and slammed her on the floor like Hulk Hogan did to Roddy Piper.
Why lololol?Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
lololololol
Because legally going after misbehaving cops isn't always successful?
What do you think is a better approach? Trying to physically fight the police when you don't agree with them?
Try that and let me know how that works out for you.
so druff why is the cop fired if he did not act inappropriately?
police have standards and procedures they are held to when enforcing the law. why is the sheriff and department not standing with him in support of his actions? its because he did not handle the incident in the manner that he was trained or expected to by his department.
exactly what qualifies you to determine whether the amount of force used was reasonable? your many years of watching miami vice?
there are protocols and procedural policies in place for exactly these types of instances, and he obviously did not meet them.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhy lololol?Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
Because legally going after misbehaving cops isn't always successful?
What do you think is a better approach? Trying to physically fight the police when you don't agree with them?
Try that and let me know how that works out for you.
i don't physically fight with the police, i just don't let them use their flimsy excuses to search me, my property or my car. nothing wrong with standing up for your rights.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Jails are filled with the mentally disturbed.
I don't see any downward force. I see him lifting her off the desk and putting her on the floor. In fact, it looks like he's not even completely dropping her, but rather just putting her down quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsI'll just mention to you that the floor is a weapon. I don't expect you to have known that. An 8ft drop would have killed her, a 2 ft drop with downward force is enough to do great bodily harm to an unfit teenage girl. That's really the trifecta of breakable human body types.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How come we haven't heard of any major or even medium-grade injuries if this force was so terrible?
are you just playing devils advocate to get some traffic on this no offense but lately dead and boring forum? otherwise i cannot take you seriously in this thread and maybe further on.
Does anyone think a police officer should be involved in school discipline? He wasn't arresting her, he was "removing" her from the class.
And remember, some of you pretend to be small government conservatives. Republicans need that reminder more and more these days.
I've watched the video posted & have no idea what "crap she was pulling there."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Making some pretty big assumptions here.
The police cannot assume each unruly person they deal with is mentally disturbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Jails are filled with the mentally disturbed.
We don't even have evidence that this girl was mentally disturbed. Sounds like a a lot of assumptions are being thrown around in order to make the girl sound more victim-like.
Would your opinion about this change if you learned that the girl did not have mental/emotional handicaps, and was simply being a defiant bitch?
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't see any downward force. I see him lifting her off the desk and putting her on the floor. In fact, it looks like he's not even completely dropping her, but rather just putting her down quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
How come we haven't heard of any major or even medium-grade injuries if this force was so terrible?
I won at poker. Therefore, I'm awesome at poker.
Druff with results based analysis.
I think we're at the point of counting how many angels will fit on the head of a pin. I see it as an attack on someone who was mentally unstable and you see it differently. I will concede that she needs to not be in public school if you concede that he shouldn't deal with juvenile offenders. But I guess that doesn't matter because his fate is already decided and his boss didn't see it your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't see any downward force. I see him lifting her off the desk and putting her on the floor. In fact, it looks like he's not even completely dropping her, but rather just putting her down quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
How come we haven't heard of any major or even medium-grade injuries if this force was so terrible?
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
yes plenty of assumptions being thrown around lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThe police cannot assume each unruly person they deal with is mentally disturbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
We don't even have evidence that this girl was mentally disturbed. Sounds like a a lot of assumptions are being thrown around in order to make the girl sound more victim-like.
Would your opinion about this change if you learned that the girl did not have mental/emotional handicaps, and was simply being a defiant bitch?
You don't have to sympathize with the girl to recognize that the cop crossed a line. People can be still be victims as a result of their own stupid actions.
Sometimes when poker players get scammed, I hear people say it's hard to sympathize with them because they were so naive or stupid. Fine. Don't feel sorry for them. You should still condemn the scumbag that scammed them, though.
How do you know she wasn't going to be arrested after being removed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
It's actually better if a police officer is involved, because it removes the level of liability the school has if something goes wrong.
If the assistant principal tries to remove her and something goes wrong, her parents could claim that he "wasn't trained for physical confrontation" and sue the school for millions.
Similarly, if I were in a restaurant and was disrupting the place and refusing to leave, it would be safer (legally and physically) for the restaurant owner to call the police to do it, rather than attempt to physically throw me out himself.
Presumably this officer was employed by the school because they had enough of a problem with unruly students to where an additional level of authority above school administrator was needed to handle some problems.
Todd, as your biggest mark here, shut it down. Lifted out of her desk? Did you miss the part where he just up and tosses her backwards, desk and all? he didn't grab at her arm and try to remove her from the room, he tried to injure her. Obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffNobody was beaten up. She was lifted out of her desk, put on the ground, then handcuffed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
The cop in question was effectively on probation for previous abuse allegations. He could have used any number of pain-compliance methods to facilitate the exfiltration of the student. Instead, he went ham.
So...
Yes the student should have been subjected to forceful removal through increasingly severe application-of-force methods.
No the cop did not perform as trained and needed to be held responsible for that. Termination is appropriate here.
Sorry to ruin the thread but Im sure someone will find something to needlessly debate.