Official answer ?'s about 1st WSOP event/experience

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by garrett

lol searless gues I had 7100

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I guess when it's all just made up drivel, you can just change the facts on a whim

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I was offering an honest chance for people who wanted to know what ones real first WSOP experience was, as well as PFA contributors to throw at me some things they wanted to know or get.

You were the 1st post in this thread saying 'shut up garrett', and now expect anyone to take anything you say in this thread with any validity.

Searless I have put years into studying this game, and more than you. Dont go there, don't try and dissuade someones opportunity for being a bitter person, because you decided to have 2 children and get married and are practically broke, from someone who is willing to give his whole life to achieving success at playing poker. As I am.

All you are is a hater, and funny I dont even dislike you. I just see all the jealousy in everything you write. You're better than this 'Jsearless24'!!!

He's most definitely not better than that.

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Originally Posted by garrett

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

Why were you so short to begin with?

Were you only sitting waiting for big hands or were you making any attempts at picking up dead money from the late position? Typically having been in the chip range you were in the full extent of your tournament life, it means that you failed to be aggressive in the correct spots.

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The reason I went from ~6100 to 4800 was right before I got moved the 2nd time I got QQ EP and opened 3x, got 3bet to 1200 (iirc or close) flatted tight amateurish guy so far. Flop came JJK I had QQ, I lead out ~40% of pot, he raises me. I folded QQ there on JJK flop, and then I got moved to brasilia on a table with Shorr+other all young players with ALOT of chips, oddly I would bet the guy I busted too and Shorr at that point in tourney, were both top 20 chip stacks in the tourney.

But I went down from ~6100 to the 4800 before the table move from pavilion to brasilia with QQ on a JJK flop (rainbow)

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I have to agree with anonamoose that you should have shoved in.

There are a few reasons for this:

1) You're already a few levels in and have less than starting stack. So you can't use the argument of, "I already have plenty of chips, there's no point to throw them away in what could be a race or KK/AA situation".

2) You don't have enough chips to play the hand through postflop, unless the board is terrible and you end up folding. And yet you won't get most action postflop unless you're either outflopped (or already behind KK/AA), or facing a hand like 99/TT/JJ (which would have called your preflop shove anyway). So all you're doing by flatting there is robbing yourself of postflop value while letting hands behind you catch up. It's not like you would have been able to fold to a shove on a 883 board.

3) You are well behind the chip average (especially after calling 1200 and not winning), so you might as well get it in and hope to win a race or already be ahead (or perhaps pick up the pot uncontested if he folds to your shove). Simply put, you need to win chips at this point.


Note that I defended your QT/AQ bustout hand, and 100% would have done the same as you in that spot.

This is just one of those times you shove it in with your QQ, hope you're not facing AA/KK, and hope you don't get outflopped otherwise. It's definitely not a lock to win by any means, but you have to win hands like that if you want to have a shot at even cashing, let alone hitting a big score.

Or, simply put, you're always 4-bet-shoving QQ in a non-Main-Event, non-Extended-Play WSOP tournament if you or your opponent has a stack well below average.

how will you finance next years wsop, if you are going?

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Originally Posted by garrett

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

I guess when it's all just made up drivel, you can just change the facts on a whim

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I was offering an honest chance for people who wanted to know what ones real first WSOP experience was, as well as PFA contributors to throw at me some things they wanted to know or get.

You were the 1st post in this thread saying 'shut up garrett', and now expect anyone to take anything you say in this thread with any validity.

Searless I have put years into studying this game, and more than you. Dont go there, don't try and dissuade someones opportunity for being a bitter person, because you decided to have 2 children and get married and are practically broke, from someone who is willing to give his whole life to achieving success at playing poker. As I am.

All you are is a hater, and funny I dont even dislike you. I just see all the jealousy in everything you write. You're better than this 'Jsearless24'!!!

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Lol, so much fail Garrett. How do you know you're better at poker than me? Did you learn that when you scraped $63 together only to lose to me? You're better, only in your delusional mind.

And the creme de la creme, you say I'm practically broke? Lol, in the same thread you admitted you barely scraped up one way airfare and hotel money for the cockroach in. You did have a $6 breakfast though. I just spent $300/night on a hotel in Chicago, because I'm well not "practically broke"

Jealous? Of what exactly? That I've never once been arrested, that I don't beat my parents, that although not millionaire rich i lead a comfortable life, that I've never been in a suicide smock? Tell me what I'm jealous of Garrett? There's a few questions for you

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by garrett

The reason I went from ~6100 to 4800 was right before I got moved the 2nd time I got QQ EP and opened 3x, got 3bet to 1200 (iirc or close) flatted tight amateurish guy so far. Flop came JJK I had QQ, I lead out ~40% of pot, he raises me. I folded QQ there on JJK flop, and then I got moved to brasilia on a table with Shorr+other all young players with ALOT of chips, oddly I would bet the guy I busted too and Shorr at that point in tourney, were both top 20 chip stacks in the tourney.

But I went down from ~6100 to the 4800 before the table move from pavilion to brasilia with QQ on a JJK flop (rainbow)

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I have to agree with anonamoose that you should have shoved in.

There are a few reasons for this:

1) You're already a few levels in and have less than starting stack. So you can't use the argument of, "I already have plenty of chips, there's no point to throw them away in what could be a race or KK/AA situation".

2) You don't have enough chips to play the hand through postflop, unless the board is terrible and you end up folding. And yet you won't get most action postflop unless you're either outflopped (or already behind KK/AA), or facing a hand like 99/TT/JJ (which would have called your preflop shove anyway). So all you're doing by flatting there is robbing yourself of postflop value while letting hands behind you catch up. It's not like you would have been able to fold to a shove on a 883 board.

3) You are well behind the chip average (especially after calling 1200 and not winning), so you might as well get it in and hope to win a race or already be ahead (or perhaps pick up the pot uncontested if he folds to your shove). Simply put, you need to win chips at this point.


Note that I defended your QT/AQ bustout hand, and 100% would have done the same as you in that spot.

This is just one of those times you shove it in with your QQ, hope you're not facing AA/KK, and hope you don't get outflopped otherwise. It's definitely not a lock to win by any means, but you have to win hands like that if you want to have a shot at even cashing, let alone hitting a big score.

Or, simply put, you're always 4-bet-shoving QQ in a non-Main-Event, non-Extended-Play WSOP tournament if you or your opponent has a stack well below average.

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I played it over and over in my head.

Its the same end result, instead of c/r the flop on the AQ10 (w Q10 vs. AQ) if I shove, he's still calling with AQ 100% of time obviously. So its a moot point and same end result given effective stack sizes/position etc. I lost because I left myself vulnerable to the frequent table breaks/changes and that was honestly because of my lack of WSOP experience. Now I know though, not to do that ever again.

I get all the different level strategic thought, but honestly the hand plays itself.

Other than am I willing to fold and leave myself with ~2400 at a table with 30k+ stacks, just to be a hero. I am way better than that Todd.

What are the blind levels when the tight guy decides to 3 bet to 1200 after your ep raise? Depending on a few things I would definitely disagree with shipping over top when there is literally one hand (jj) that you want to see.

The way you describe the guy he might just set mine jj. As crazy as it sounds quickly folding the QQ as if you folded nothing isn't horrible. Especially if you aren't deep. Especially if a nit to your knowedge is somehow 3 betting an ep raise light pre ante.

So either just feel like a huge nit and quickly fold and go on wit life. Or show the QQ and fold.

1. If he shows you worse or AK you can feign tilt.

2. If he doesn't show you are now the nit and should relish the opportunity to 3 bet everyone paying attention with a ton of different hands in the next few hours. I'm not a math wizard so I'm constantly going with whatever image I feel the table has for me.


Only problem is like you said. Once you get a good image you are getting moved.

No my intention to pile on here but if you have 6K and there re a few others with 30K at the table and "it's time to make a move/stand" then I'm shipping with the QQ into the 1200 re-raise and hoping for the best. If he folds then he folds.

They show up with three hands here folks. I'm not giving anyone with that demeanor any action ever. When you chunk in praying to see ak you are doing it wrong.

If 3 bet to 1200 at most the blinds are 100/200

You people like to tell cooler stories. When in my mind I gotta see a guy 3 bet with a variety of hands before he gets my action.

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

What are the blind levels when the tight guy decides to 3 bet to 1200 after your ep raise? Depending on a few things I would definitely disagree with shipping over top when there is literally one hand (jj) that you want to see.

The way you describe the guy he might just set mine jj. As crazy as it sounds quickly folding the QQ as if you folded nothing isn't horrible. Especially if you aren't deep. Especially if a nit to your knowedge is somehow 3 betting an ep raise light pre ante.

So either just feel like a huge nit and quickly fold and go on wit life. Or show the QQ and fold.

1. If he shows you worse or AK you can feign tilt.

2. If he doesn't show you are now the nit and should relish the opportunity to 3 bet everyone paying attention with a ton of different hands in the next few hours. I'm not a math wizard so I'm constantly going with whatever image I feel the table has for me.


Only problem is like you said. Once you get a good image you are getting moved.

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Guy can call with AKo, AKs, AQs, AQo, AJs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99.

Hands he can be raising with in addition to above JTs+, 55-88.

You don't need to ask what the blinds are to realize it's 100/200 or 75/150, just look at the raise sizing. You're shipping at QQ everyday all day. You're oop and need to extract as much value preflop as you can.

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

They show up with three hands hete folks. I'm not giving anyone with that demeanor any action ever. When you chunk in praying to see ak you are doing it wrong.

If 3 bet to 1200 at most the blinds are 100/200

You people like to tell cooler stories. When in my mind I gotta see a guy 3 bet with a variety of hands before he gets my action.

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I opened 3x from EP(QQ) and it was the first time this guy (amateurish/tight in the cutoff) even reraised (3bet). On a JJK flop over a lifetime I know I was behind there, it was a good fold. And If I was gonna 4bet we weren't deep enough to get that creative, which I do know how to do, it's just -EV in that spot. Just didn't have enough chips behind, to get overly cute.

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

What are the blind levels when the tight guy decides to 3 bet to 1200 after your ep raise? Depending on a few things I would definitely disagree with shipping over top when there is literally one hand (jj) that you want to see.

The way you describe the guy he might just set mine jj. As crazy as it sounds quickly folding the QQ as if you folded nothing isn't horrible. Especially if you aren't deep. Especially if a nit to your knowedge is somehow 3 betting an ep raise light pre ante.

So either just feel like a huge nit and quickly fold and go on wit life. Or show the QQ and fold.

1. If he shows you worse or AK you can feign tilt.

2. If he doesn't show you are now the nit and should relish the opportunity to 3 bet everyone paying attention with a ton of different hands in the next few hours. I'm not a math wizard so I'm constantly going with whatever image I feel the table has for me.


Only problem is like you said. Once you get a good image you are getting moved.

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Guy can call with AK, AQ, AJ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99.

Hands he can be raising with in addition to above JTss+, 55-88.

You don't need to ask what the blinds are to realize it's 100/200 or 75/150, just look at the raise sizing. You're shipping at QQ everyday all day. You're oop and need to extract as much value preflop as you can.

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You play your way. I will be over here not stacking off with nits. I will fuck a dog if that guy had anything but aa Kk or ak.

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

Guy can call with AK, AQ, AJ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99.

Hands he can be raising with in addition to above JTss+, 55-88.

You don't need to ask what the blinds are to realize it's 100/200 or 75/150, just look at the raise sizing. You're shipping at QQ everyday all day. You're oop and need to extract as much value preflop as you can.

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You play your way. I will be over here not stacking off with nits. I will fuck a dog if that guy had anything but aa Kk or ak.

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Get ready to fuck a dog then. Can't tell you how many times I seen people three bet with JTs+ in those events.

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Originally Posted by garrett

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

They show up with three hands hete folks. I'm not giving anyone with that demeanor any action ever. When you chunk in praying to see ak you are doing it wrong.

If 3 bet to 1200 at most the blinds are 100/200

You people like to tell cooler stories. When in my mind I gotta see a guy 3 bet with a variety of hands before he gets my action.

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I opened 3x from EP(QQ) and it was the first time this guy (amateurish/tight in the cutoff) even reraised (3bet). On a JJK flop over a lifetime I know I was behind there, it was a good fold. And If I was gonna 4bet we weren't deep enough to get that creative, which I do know how to do, it's just -EV in that spot. Just didn't have enough chips behind, to get overly cute.

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There is absolutely nothing creative about 4 betting all in pocket queens. It's the third best hand in the game. Shipping preflop is beyond standard there, it's pretty much required.

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

You play your way. I will be over here not stacking off with nits. I will fuck a dog if that guy had anything but aa Kk or ak.

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Get ready to fuck a dog then. Can't tell you how many times I seen people three bet with JTs+ in those events.

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For their first open in an hour much less a 3 bet of and ep raise pre ante?

No.

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

Get ready to fuck a dog then. Can't tell you how many times I seen people three bet with JTs+ in those events.

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For their first open in an hour much less a 3 bet of and ep raise pre ante?

No.

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Why don't you try actually reading what's said? He said he'd been at the table for 30 minutes. That's maybe 2 orbits at most. A 3 bet from late position could have only occurred twice. Not as much of a nit as you're giving him credit for.

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I was only on that table 30-45mins mins until the AQ vs. Q10hh AQ10 flop bustout hand.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by garrett

The reason I went from ~6100 to 4800 was right before I got moved the 2nd time I got QQ EP and opened 3x, got 3bet to 1200 (iirc or close) flatted tight amateurish guy so far. Flop came JJK I had QQ, I lead out ~40% of pot, he raises me. I folded QQ there on JJK flop, and then I got moved to brasilia on a table with Shorr+other all young players with ALOT of chips, oddly I would bet the guy I busted too and Shorr at that point in tourney, were both top 20 chip stacks in the tourney.

But I went down from ~6100 to the 4800 before the table move from pavilion to brasilia with QQ on a JJK flop (rainbow)

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I have to agree with anonamoose that you should have shoved in.

There are a few reasons for this:

1) You're already a few levels in and have less than starting stack. So you can't use the argument of, "I already have plenty of chips, there's no point to throw them away in what could be a race or KK/AA situation".

2) You don't have enough chips to play the hand through postflop, unless the board is terrible and you end up folding. And yet you won't get most action postflop unless you're either outflopped (or already behind KK/AA), or facing a hand like 99/TT/JJ (which would have called your preflop shove anyway). So all you're doing by flatting there is robbing yourself of postflop value while letting hands behind you catch up. It's not like you would have been able to fold to a shove on a 883 board.

3) You are well behind the chip average (especially after calling 1200 and not winning), so you might as well get it in and hope to win a race or already be ahead (or perhaps pick up the pot uncontested if he folds to your shove). Simply put, you need to win chips at this point.


Note that I defended your QT/AQ bustout hand, and 100% would have done the same as you in that spot.

This is just one of those times you shove it in with your QQ, hope you're not facing AA/KK, and hope you don't get outflopped otherwise. It's definitely not a lock to win by any means, but you have to win hands like that if you want to have a shot at even cashing, let alone hitting a big score.

Or, simply put, you're always 4-bet-shoving QQ in a non-Main-Event, non-Extended-Play WSOP tournament if you or your opponent has a stack well below average.

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I was check raising thin but calling every all in ( I was 100% committed to that pot with my stack, at that pt obv), I just took a different line. Because I was actually trying to get him off marginal hands with a check raise and a relatively small stack (which looks strong bc the smaller stack), because most players in a WSOP 1k, would think, I am not c/r there without something better then there marginal holdings/ When he reraises, I know he doesn't have 1010/QQ (bc I have Q10) I can beat every AK AJ, A<9, and bluffs.

Its marginal, but yea I was playing for everything. Should I nit it up because I Might only get 1 chance at a WSOP event, I didnt ever think that. I know how to play poker and that was where I should be getting it in, over large sample size!

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Originally Posted by garrett

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I have to agree with anonamoose that you should have shoved in.

There are a few reasons for this:

1) You're already a few levels in and have less than starting stack. So you can't use the argument of, "I already have plenty of chips, there's no point to throw them away in what could be a race or KK/AA situation".

2) You don't have enough chips to play the hand through postflop, unless the board is terrible and you end up folding. And yet you won't get most action postflop unless you're either outflopped (or already behind KK/AA), or facing a hand like 99/TT/JJ (which would have called your preflop shove anyway). So all you're doing by flatting there is robbing yourself of postflop value while letting hands behind you catch up. It's not like you would have been able to fold to a shove on a 883 board.

3) You are well behind the chip average (especially after calling 1200 and not winning), so you might as well get it in and hope to win a race or already be ahead (or perhaps pick up the pot uncontested if he folds to your shove). Simply put, you need to win chips at this point.


Note that I defended your QT/AQ bustout hand, and 100% would have done the same as you in that spot.

This is just one of those times you shove it in with your QQ, hope you're not facing AA/KK, and hope you don't get outflopped otherwise. It's definitely not a lock to win by any means, but you have to win hands like that if you want to have a shot at even cashing, let alone hitting a big score.

Or, simply put, you're always 4-bet-shoving QQ in a non-Main-Event, non-Extended-Play WSOP tournament if you or your opponent has a stack well below average.

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I was check raising thin, because I was actually tryign to get him off marginal hands, because most players in a WSOP 1k, would think, I am not c/r there without something better then there marginal holdings/ When he reraises, I know he doesn't have 1010/QQ (bc I have Q10) I can beat every AK AJ, A<9, and bluffs.

Its marginal, but yea I was playing for everything. Should I nit it up because I Might only get 1 chance at a WSOP event, I didnt ever think that, I know how to play poker and that was where I should be getting it in, over large sample size!

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Do you understand what the purpose of betting is? You bet for value, you bet to make people pay to draw, or you bet to get an opponent off a better hand. You should in no instance ever be betting to get someone to FOLD a marginal hand that is worse than yours. You want to get paid by the marginal hand not lose value by making it fold. Anyway, we analyzed the hell out of this hand. This hand would have gone different and you'd still be in 90% of the time if you didn't totally nit up your QQ.

Ask cleatus or pimp drexel what hand the guy 3 bet with.

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

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Originally Posted by garrett

I was check raising thin, because I was actually tryign to get him off marginal hands, because most players in a WSOP 1k, would think, I am not c/r there without something better then there marginal holdings/ When he reraises, I know he doesn't have 1010/QQ (bc I have Q10) I can beat every AK AJ, A<9, and bluffs.

Its marginal, but yea I was playing for everything. Should I nit it up because I Might only get 1 chance at a WSOP event, I didnt ever think that, I know how to play poker and that was where I should be getting it in, over large sample size!

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Do you understand what the purpose of betting is? You bet for value, you bet to make people pay to draw, or you bet to get an opponent off a better hand. You should in no instance ever be betting to get someone to FOLD a marginal hand that is worse than yours. You want to get paid by the marginal hand not lose value by making it fold. Anyway, we analyzed the hell out of this hand. This hand would have gone different and you'd still be in 90% of the time if you didn't totally nit up your QQ.

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Anonymoose you want all my attention so here you are.

What did I do wrong, in your opinion?