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P.S. It’s official: The Republican Party has gone full Trumptard with a ridiculous request that would delay certification of Michigan’s vote by the legislature for at least two weeks while an audit is conducted to examine whether there was election fraud that would have unfairly tilted the vote there for Biden, who leads by over 140,000 votes with less than 6000 remaining to counted as of this evening.Quote:
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Originally Posted by dwaito be fair, there is no republican party, these are Trump people. no republican will ever win again, only Trump had a shotQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
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This is the poor understanding you continue to have about the way the public view progressives.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The Republicans should be worried. All of the Democrats in the House who lost were centrist Democrats who didn’t support progressive policie such as Medicare-for-all and increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour. In the meantime, 4 more progressive Justice Democrats were elected to the House.
The progressive Dems are slowly gaining support among the general public, and that tide will continue to sweep more progressives Dems to primary victories at the party level, followed by wins in the general election. And no amount of non-Trump Republican blather from the likes of John Kasich that Biden needs to adopt moderate Republican policy positions is going to be able to sway enough of the populace into support the middle class-failing policies traditional conservatives are peddling.
The hard left has been claiming that the progressives did well in the 2020 House elections, and the Democratic moderates did poorly, thus this is proof positive that people are rejecting moderates and identifying with progressives.
This is very flawed thinking. The problem with this theory is that Congressional elections are by district, and thus the base of voters varies extremely widely. The progressive has the edge in AOC's district. In purple districts -- and even some working-class blue districts -- the progressive turns people off. There aren't enough progressive districts out there to give a substantial number of victories to progressive candidates. In short, if the Dems ran all progressive House candidates in a Congressional race, they would get slaughtered.
So why did the moderates lose? Because they were dragged down by the progressives. It's all the same party, so even if the Democratic candidate is moderate and doesn't overtly support extreme left positions, voters will see "Democrat" and think, "Oh, that's the party which wants to defund the police, eliminate cash bail, cancel all college debt at taxpayer expense, allow 3-year-olds to transition, kill my health insurance, and raise everyone's taxes to pay for all this shit. No thanks!"
Democrats are finding that it is hard to run as a "moderate" these days, when the party branding is so loud and so left.
I actually hope that Democrats like you continue to think that the extreme progressive agenda is the way to go, and that the Democratic Party will do better in 2022 if they just continue going left.
Truthfully, there's a big opportunity right now for Democrats to crush the GOP in the 2020s if they just drop the extreme bullshit, and take on a more "we care about the average voter, fuck the elitists" attitude which propelled Trump to initial popularity. Instead, Democrats are telling white swing voters that they're all racists, and they're telling minorities that they must consider themselves victims, plus everyone needs to get on board with the extreme trans agenda and be okay with abortion at 9 months.
I think you just don't understand the way swing voters think. You spent a long time in academia, and I think it messed up your perception of the real world.
The sadly funny thing about Trump is he woulda CRUISED to re-election if he had chosen to be remotely serious about handling covid.
Not cruised. Maybe it would have been enough to squeak by.Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
The problem is that regardless of the "seriousness" shown, we would have had a relatively similar result. There wasn't a mistake he made which resulted in any realistic difference in number of deaths.
I know that the TDS left likes to say he caused a ton of death, but if you drop the bias and look at the reality, he actually didn't.
So "serious" Trump still presiding over 225,000 deaths by election day, I think it's mostly the same result. "Trump screwed it up, it's his fault, blah blah blah", and it's game over. Note that the media is incredibly hostile to him, and would have found a way to blame him no matter what.
I will say that since the election was fairly close, perhaps Trump with better messaging during COVID would have impressed enough people to where, even with the death, he could have made up those votes he lost in those close states, and taken the election.
The "cruising to victory" would have occurred if there was no COVID at all. That's how it was looking in January.
Just read the dismissal of Rudy's hail mary Pennsylvania lawsuit. Dismissal was ordered tonight. The judge was hilarious. Totally called out their bullshit "legal arguments". Comically bad legal arguments by team trump.
The best part was there is a reasonably passable argument to be made in court, but Trump's attorneys were too stupid to see it.
What was the reasonably passable argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
You're just making up numbers. There would be a ton less dead and sick if dumbass hadn't made mask wearing a political thing. If you can't accept that basic fact, then let's skip discussing the rest of the issues because you're in truth isn't truth mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffNot cruised. Maybe it would have been enough to squeak by.Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
The problem is that regardless of the "seriousness" shown, we would have had a relatively similar result. There wasn't a mistake he made which resulted in any realistic difference in number of deaths.
I know that the TDS left likes to say he caused a ton of death, but if you drop the bias and look at the reality, he actually didn't.
So "serious" Trump still presiding over 225,000 deaths by election day, I think it's mostly the same result. "Trump screwed it up, it's his fault, blah blah blah", and it's game over. Note that the media is incredibly hostile to him, and would have found a way to blame him no matter what.
I will say that since the election was fairly close, perhaps Trump with better messaging during COVID would have impressed enough people to where, even with the death, he could have made up those votes he lost in those close states, and taken the election.
The "cruising to victory" would have occurred if there was no COVID at all. That's how it was looking in January.
If you want to pay me 20k per day then I'm happy to share it. Blake can probably see it too and will probably share it with you for free out of boredom if you can convince him to read tonight's order.Quote:
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Originally Posted by rum dick
What was the reasonably passable argument?
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Originally Posted by rum dickYou're just making up numbers. There would be a ton less dead and sick if dumbass hadn't made mask wearing a political thing. If you can't accept that basic fact, then let's skip discussing the rest of the issues because you're in truth isn't truth mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Lol @ arguing with a straight face that trump just couldn't have done anything more to save more lives than what he actually did
fuck that fat piece of shit traitor
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Originally Posted by rum dickYou're just making up numbers. There would be a ton less dead and sick if dumbass hadn't made mask wearing a political thing. If you can't accept that basic fact, then let's skip discussing the rest of the issues because you're in truth isn't truth mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
stop being a faggot, masks aren't saving anyone, you might feel better that you're wearing one and being a cuck but Trump didn't cause any deaths by saying masks are useless, just like Fauci did as well.
the left made it a political thing, not Trump you huge faggot
Making up numbers is exactly the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dickYou're just making up numbers. There would be a ton less dead and sick if dumbass hadn't made mask wearing a political thing. If you can't accept that basic fact, then let's skip discussing the rest of the issues because you're in truth isn't truth mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
There have been zero credible studies about how many COVID deaths were caused by people choosing not to wear masks because Trump influenced them not to. (This is different, by the way, from people choosing ON THEIR OWN not to wear masks, regardless of what Trump said.)
I bet that would account for very few deaths. Either way, the hysterical left is just guessing at this.
At the same time, they aren't accounting for the very logical fact that the media's obsession with masking has caused the opposite problem -- the illusion of security of masking. Many believe that masking protects them, and thus put less effort into staying home and social distancing.
While this is anecdotal, a guy called into radio last night and talked about his friend's workplace, where they were actually asking COVID-positive people without symptoms to come in.
"Just put on a mask and it will be fine", these people were told.
There really is a widespread belief that mask wearing = safety.
It's very possible that more people have been killed by the belief that masking keeps them safe than people killed by non-masking due to Trump's reticence to push masking.
Either way, there's no studies on any of this, nor can anyone on the left explain why anti-masking Norway was never hit hard. It's a lot of guessing and speculation to blame it all on the Big Orange Bad Man.
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Originally Posted by rum dickIf you want to pay me 20k per day then I'm happy to share it. Blake can probably see it too and will probably share it with you for free out of boredom if you can convince him to read tonight's order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Why are you opposed to sharing this argument? Are you afraid Trump reads PFA?
YOU'RE JUST MAKING UP NUMBERS TODD
Trump said it's was all a Democratic hoax and it's nothing more than a simple fluQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffMaking up numbers is exactly the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
There have been zero credible studies about how many COVID deaths were caused by people choosing not to wear masks because Trump influenced them not to.
I bet that would account for very few deaths. Either way, the hysterical left is just guessing at this.
At the same time, they aren't accounting for the very logical fact that the media's obsession with masking has caused the opposite problem -- the illusion of security of masking, to where many believe that masking protects them, and thus put less effort into staying home and social distancing.
While this is anecdotal, a guy called into radio last night and talked about his friend's workplace, where they were actually asking COVID-positive people without symptoms to come in.
"Just put on a mask and it will be fine", these people were told.
There really is a widespread belief that mask wearing = safety.
It's very possible that more people have been killed by the belief that masking keeps them safe than people killed by non-masking due to Trump's reticence to push masking.
Either way, there's no studies on any of this, nor can anyone on the left explain why anti-masking Norway was never hit hard. It's a lot of guessing and speculation to blame it all on the Big Orange Bad Man.
No need to add to this or dispute it.
He downplayed it in March and continued to do so the entire time. Lot's of people died because of Trump and that's a fact
You can argue till you're blue in the face but these simple facts that I laid out are all anyone needs to know
Imagine arguing that trump couldn't have done more...
All the blather you spout means nothing. Whether your point is valid or not makes no difference when the jury is still out and people are dying. Are you wearing a mask when you stock up on more toilet paper? With the amount of shit you spew you should be stocking upQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffMaking up numbers is exactly the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
There have been zero credible studies about how many COVID deaths were caused by people choosing not to wear masks because Trump influenced them not to. (This is different, by the way, from people choosing ON THEIR OWN not to wear masks, regardless of what Trump said.)
I bet that would account for very few deaths. Either way, the hysterical left is just guessing at this.
At the same time, they aren't accounting for the very logical fact that the media's obsession with masking has caused the opposite problem -- the illusion of security of masking. Many believe that masking protects them, and thus put less effort into staying home and social distancing.
While this is anecdotal, a guy called into radio last night and talked about his friend's workplace, where they were actually asking COVID-positive people without symptoms to come in.
"Just put on a mask and it will be fine", these people were told.
There really is a widespread belief that mask wearing = safety.
It's very possible that more people have been killed by the belief that masking keeps them safe than people killed by non-masking due to Trump's reticence to push masking.
Either way, there's no studies on any of this, nor can anyone on the left explain why anti-masking Norway was never hit hard. It's a lot of guessing and speculation to blame it all on the Big Orange Bad Man.
there's tons of clips of MSM, even your beloved CNN telling everyone not to worry, that this is just a flu, everything will be fine, go down to Chinatown, get on the subway, go to events.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickTrump said it's was all a Democratic hoax and it's nothing more than a simple fluQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
No need to add to this or dispute it.
He downplayed it in March and continued to do so the entire time. Lot's of people died because of Trump and that's a fact
You can argue till you're blue in the face but these simple facts that I laid out are all anyone needs to know
Imagine arguing that trump couldn't have done more...
Why do you not hold democrats responsible for this?
why is it only Trump that you rag on?
oh right, cause CNN told you to.
I didn't say Trump couldn't have done more. I'm saying that Democrats wouldn't have done any better, and that Trump didn't cause a major difference in death rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickTrump said it's was all a Democratic hoax and it's nothing more than a simple fluQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
No need to add to this or dispute it.
He downplayed it in March and continued to do so the entire time. Lot's of people died because of Trump and that's a fact
You can argue till you're blue in the face but these simple facts that I laid out are all anyone needs to know
Imagine arguing that trump couldn't have done more...
Remember, Democrats spent most of February whining about xenophobia. That was their early contribution to this whole thing.
It's pure delusion to believe that Democrats were trying to jump and proactively handle this thing, while Trump was thwarting them and calling it a hoax.
Post me a link dated after April 1st from CNN saying it's just a flu and everything will be fine and to hop on the subway to ChinatownQuote:
Originally Posted by dwaithere's tons of clips of MSM, even your beloved CNN telling everyone not to worry, that this is just a flu, everything will be fine, go down to Chinatown, get on the subway, go to events.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Why do you not hold democrats responsible for this?
why is it only Trump that you rag on?
oh right, cause CNN told you to.
2000+ dead today and the fat fuck is out golfing.... doesn't even pretend to care
lol April 1Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickPost me a link dated after April 1st from CNN saying it's just a flu and everything will be fine and to hop on the subway to ChinatownQuote:
Originally Posted by dwai
2000+ dead today and the fat fuck is out golfing.... doesn't even pretend to care
NYC itself was losing over 1,000 per day by April. We were already way fucked by that point.
What is Trump supposed to do at this point? We have a late-fall spike because it's getting cold and people are indoors more.
It's sad what is happening, but people need to recognize what's going on and really avoid going to public places indoors. That should be the message right now from the media, not Trump-shaming and mask obsessing. But they can't help themselves.
lol after April....Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickPost me a link dated after April 1st from CNN saying it's just a flu and everything will be fine and to hop on the subway to ChinatownQuote:
Originally Posted by dwai
2000+ dead today and the fat fuck is out golfing.... doesn't even pretend to care
that's when they realized they could use it against Trump.
but Nancy Pelosi said come on down to Chinatown in Feb i believe, they never closed the subway in NYC, and the media told everyone to relax in January, saying it's just a flu, CHILL OUT BRO.
then they used it as scare porn to scare bitches like you to stay inside, sending your wife out to work and to the grocery store, while you play cards on the computer and chat on internet forums.
So you're saying you think Trump could have done more but the Dems could not have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI didn't say Trump couldn't have done more. I'm saying that Democrats wouldn't have done any better, and that Trump didn't cause a major difference in death rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Remember, Democrats spent most of February whining about xenophobia. That was their early contribution to this whole thing.
It's pure delusion to believe that Democrats were trying to jump and proactively handle this thing, while Trump was thwarting them and calling it a hoax.
Would Hillary have told people it's all a GOP hoax and to not even sweat the stupid virus cus it's not more deadly than the flu?
Would Hillary have told Americans that masks are stupid?
Would she have strong armed the CDC? How about the FDA?
Would she have tossed the pandemic playbook into the trash can?
How in the fuck can you or anyone argue with a straight face that this fucking fat cunt couldn't have done more and no way A Dem could have done a better job
I COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THAN TRUMP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsEQuote:
Originally Posted by dwailol after April....Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
that's when they realized they could use it against Trump.
but Nancy Pelosi said come on down to Chinatown in Feb i believe, they never closed the subway in NYC, and the media told everyone to relax in January, saying it's just a flu, CHILL OUT BRO.
then they used it as scare porn to scare bitches like you to stay inside, sending your wife out to work and to the grocery store, while you play cards on the computer and chat on internet forums.
off topic- that + sized lawyer trump hired is hot af... Jenna Ellis
as rudy speaks all i do is look at her lol
the only decent thing trump has done in his 4 years is get that broads face n tits on tv all day
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Originally Posted by big dickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsEQuote:
Originally Posted by dwai
trump golfs the day away as the g20 meets to talk about covid
yet we have people arguing that he just cant and couldnt do more
OKAY
Biden's margin of victory surpassed 6 million votes today. In percentages it's +3.86% and growing. It will probably end north of 4 points. For a modern election that's not particularly close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Here are some recent elections that were closer than 2020:
2016: Trump -2.1% ("Landslide. Blowout. Historic." -Kellyanne Conway)
2012: Obama +3.85%
2004: Bush +2.4%
2000: Bush -0.5%
That doesn't matter. The swing states had enough close races to where Trump would've won with a little more support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick SanchezBiden's margin of victory surpassed 6 million votes today. In percentages it's +3.86% and growing. It will probably end north of 4 points. For a modern election that's not particularly close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Here are some recent elections that were closer than 2020:
2016: Trump -2.1% ("Landslide. Blowout. Historic." -Kellyanne Conway)
2012: Obama +3.85%
2004: Bush +2.4%
2000: Bush -0.5%
hey, TheXRetard, shut it down with your tds faggot, god
You're a fucking nut.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwailol after April....Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
that's when they realized they could use it against Trump.
but Nancy Pelosi said come on down to Chinatown in Feb i believe, they never closed the subway in NYC, and the media told everyone to relax in January, saying it's just a flu, CHILL OUT BRO.
then they used it as scare porn to scare bitches like you to stay inside, sending your wife out to work and to the grocery store, while you play cards on the computer and chat on internet forums.
https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/at...1&d=1604599038
And rejoicing was heard throughout OSA's apartment.Quote:
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Originally Posted by big dick
So is this the thread where you wanna talk about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffEither way, there's no studies on any of this, nor can anyone on the left explain why anti-masking Norway was never hit hard. It's a lot of guessing and speculation to blame it all on the Big Orange Bad Man.Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
It's been explained to you several times. There's wasn't a huge need for masks when barely no one was infected, not the other way around. If you're too stupid to understand that, then that's on you.
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Originally Posted by gimmickSo is this the thread where you wanna talk about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It's been explained to you several times. There's wasn't a huge need for masks when barely no one was infected, not the other way around. If you're too stupid to understand that, then that's on you.
Druff is supposedly a hypochondriac, and an old Jewish man, so if anything he should be 10000% on board with everyone wearing a mask.
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Originally Posted by dwaito be fair, there is no republican party, these are Trump people. no republican will ever win again, only Trump had a shotQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
i really don't agree. trump gave the GOP a roadmap to winning future elections by focusing on economic populism, trade, immigration, anti-washington, etc.
these are winning arguments and trump even did surprsingly well with minorities this past election.
i couldn't get past trump's personality. neither could half the country.
but if you have a candidate that embraces these ideas going forward -- that isn't a complete embarassment -- republicans have great chances of winning the presidency going forward.
this is especially true if the liberal wing of the dems start becoming more prominent. the words "defund the police" should never be spoken by anyone again.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
Why are you opposed to sharing this argument? Are you afraid Trump reads PFA?
No one reads this site. I don't do shit for free. Sorry not sorry if the OC GOP in me is still a capitalist.