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Originally Posted by Dan DruffWere you at this festival?Quote:
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Closer than I thought to this shit. We had a booth at LIB the entire time and had a shitload of people there, me included. Fuck man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Considering the LIB angle, I think that pretty much squashes the disgruntled gambler that wanted to fuck MGM. Pissed off at all of Las Vegas over gambling? Maybe.
Imo this dude was just a giant fucking asshole hell bent on using all of the weaponry he's amassed. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of medical issue he just found out about and this was his parting shot, no pun intended.
Good timing recently giving up my mmj card to get a ccw in its place. I'm most likely done with large venues here. Don't see how I could enjoy myself. Gonna be interesting to see how this effects Raiders games down the road.
If this dickhead was broke from gambling and snapped, I don't get how he had 100k to send to his old lady.
Clearly there is more to this story but at the end of the day some people just want to watch the world burn and u can't handicap crazy.
Also 72 minutes to get the prick's door is a joke. No idea WTF they were doing once they realized where he was, but they bum rushed his suite at a leisurely pace.
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Originally Posted by vegas1369Closer than I thought to this shit. We had a booth at LIB the entire time and had a shitload of people there, me included. Fuck man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Who doubts that OSA would gleefully take a bullet in the leg if it meant a sniff of compo was in the air?
The cunt would be perma railing that gofundme page with a giant napkin tucked into his shirt.
vegas is this true did you see a bald skinny fat monster shambling by your booth
I was getting/giving head in a porta potty there. I can't imagine a more embarrassing way of going out than naked, on my knees with a dick in my mouth, in a porta potty, with another, naked guy.
At least he had a big dick.
I wonder if you guys would be this calm and rational in trying to assign a motive if this guy was an Arab. I’m seeing too many attempts to rationalize (he was on tilt etc.) and/or humanize this fucking animal. Again, if he was a Muslim, the concentration camps would be half way up by now
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A half retarded Arab tries to blow up a plane with his shoe and now we all have to take our shoes off before we fly.
Half a dozen white men slaughter hundreds of innocents with military weapons and exactly not one single fucking thing has been done to keep it from happening again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C69UGWodpcI
Any word if he had any unpaid markers? Probably into them for a million and gave his old lady whatever he had left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
Unless he was banned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffIf they would have to do it in Nevada court, they are fucked, because the state protects casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
If somehow they could get it done in federal court, they might have a shot, though honestly I don't see them as liable. It is unreasonable to believe that a large hotel has to monitor the movements of thousands of guests. I suppose there could be a small amount of liability in letting him check in under someone else's name, but that really wasn't a factor anyway. He could have checked in under his own name and accomplished the same thing.
It could have been a blumpie.Quote:
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MGM stock barely fell after the shooting. An indication that their liability might be very small to none.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerUnless he was banned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
An attorney can be very persuasive to get this stuff covered up. If I were MGM, there would be no way in hell I would want this liability to goto trial. I can think of a few ways they were negligent.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyBHow were Mandalay staff negligent?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Funny how these assault rifle attacks didn't happen during the Assault Weapons Ban from 1994 to 2004.
Read this 2012 article on if it would have worked completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=18000724
I was at parts of LIB and was at this shooting watching Big & Rich right before and had left.
Don't know who you are, but as a fellow PFA'er, glad you made it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldHosterRead this 2012 article on if it would have worked completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=18000724
I was at parts of LIB and was at this shooting watching Big & Rich right before and had left.
I think this article is further proof that it would have worked, just needed more fine tuning.
Thank you, I have been listening to the PodCast for a bit when I am traveling for work. Sometimes I get on forums sometimes I don't I get so tired of computers and the BS that it drives me BSC sometimes. I work in the high end IT industry and we often are approached with problems such as this.Quote:
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Now on fine tuning it so it would work with this, no frigging way! I think one of the only solutions to have this taken care of any quicker is a system such as http://www.shotspotter.com/ installed on the property, and then a quick dispatch team with local armed security. The problem with this is that he could have barricaded the door or something that they wouldn't have the explosive to open even with light weight det cord, then he would have had much more than the 10 minutes. I have used the system and it is amazing!
Disclaimer I am an engineer, so I do have some what of a leg up. I also know quite a large amount about weapons systems etc. Now what I am putting here is NOTHING that isn't available with just a quick DuckDuckGo/Google search.
I have a Dillion 1050 automatic press.
I also have a very high accuracy CNC mill and lathe.
With some raw materials none of which is ATF controlled or background checked. I could easily build 4-5 rifles and 5,000-10,000 rounds that were smaller and much more effective. I wouldn't have used bump stocks but built the rifles using something off of the M4, M249 type platform. If I was doing suppressed and wanted to be very destructive I would use a 300 blackout round. With full auto sears, selectors, and suppressors (much higher rate of fire that is somewhat quite)!
How long and how much money? I could do the builds in 3-5 days maximum if I wasn't in a hurry. The Ammo while watching TV, I can produce over 1,000 rounds an hour. If I was in a hurry I could do it in 24 hours or less and lay down far more fire than he did. The cost, depending on speed how done etc 800-20k. I could even rent a machine to do it if I wanted to.
Tell me how that bill would help with someone determined? I have the plans to build a very large amount of firearms that are already CAD/CAM'd. All I need is some steel, piano wire, and aluminum.
Now if the guy wanted to be a real ass what he would have done is built up 150-200 lb's of Tannerite. I can buy everything from CVS to do this and do it in an hour or two. Then put that down and shoot the damn thing with an air rifle at the entrance or where people were running. If I was going to kill myself anyway and didn't give a crap I would put much more in a car, pull it near the gate and set it. Makes a huge boom. There are options that could have been much more powerful than Tannerite detonation and he was already on the road to some of those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99w08bYL6yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz4NHho47iI
He also could have used something like a .50 BMG and popped an aircraft on approach or take off from that location. That would have made a massive mess, much bigger than this. Do this with a few hours practice/training, M82-A1 20" barrel and in a very short time he could have set off 20-30 rounds at aircraft. These rounds will take up to a 737 down with correctly placed rounds when they are on approach or departure. I also have the capability to build this type of system up just would take me a day or two longer, but could be done from raw materials.
There are SO many more ways to do this MUCH cheaper than what he did, and with so many options as to what could have been worse. You can't legislate will away once someone like this puts their minds to it. Also metal detectors wouldn't have worked in a situation such as this as he has TIME to get just a couple of them up piece by piece, and the time to get the ammo up there.
Druff you should probably write down this clowns IP and call the fedsQuote:
Originally Posted by OldHosterThank you, I have been listening to the PodCast for a bit when I am traveling for work. Sometimes I get on forums sometimes I don't I get so tired of computers and the BS that it drives me BSC sometimes. I work in the high end IT industry and we often are approached with problems such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Now on fine tuning it so it would work with this, no frigging way! I think one of the only solutions to have this taken care of any quicker is a system such as http://www.shotspotter.com/ installed on the property, and then a quick dispatch team with local armed security. The problem with this is that he could have barricaded the door or something that they wouldn't have the explosive to open even with light weight det cord, then he would have had much more than the 10 minutes. I have used the system and it is amazing!
Disclaimer I am an engineer, so I do have some what of a leg up. I also know quite a large amount about weapons systems etc. Now what I am putting here is NOTHING that isn't available with just a quick DuckDuckGo/Google search.
I have a Dillion 1050 automatic press.
I also have a very high accuracy CNC mill and lathe.
With some raw materials none of which is ATF controlled or background checked. I could easily build 4-5 rifles and 5,000-10,000 rounds that were smaller and much more effective. I wouldn't have used bump stocks but built the rifles using something off of the M4, M249 type platform. If I was doing suppressed and wanted to be very destructive I would use a 300 blackout round. With full auto sears, selectors, and suppressors (much higher rate of fire that is somewhat quite)!
How long and how much money? I could do the builds in 3-5 days maximum if I wasn't in a hurry. The Ammo while watching TV, I can produce over 1,000 rounds an hour. If I was in a hurry I could do it in 24 hours or less and lay down far more fire than he did. The cost, depending on speed how done etc 800-20k. I could even rent a machine to do it if I wanted to.
Tell me how that bill would help with someone determined? I have the plans to build a very large amount of firearms that are already CAD/CAM'd. All I need is some steel, piano wire, and aluminum.
Now if the guy wanted to be a real ass what he would have done is built up 150-200 lb's of Tannerite. I can buy everything from CVS to do this and do it in an hour or two. Then put that down and shoot the damn thing with an air rifle at the entrance or where people were running. If I was going to kill myself anyway and didn't give a crap I would put much more in a car, pull it near the gate and set it. Makes a huge boom. There are options that could have been much more powerful than Tannerite detonation and he was already on the road to some of those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99w08bYL6yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz4NHho47iI
He also could have used something like a .50 BMG and popped an aircraft on approach or take off from that location. That would have made a massive mess, much bigger than this. Do this with a few hours practice/training, M82-A1 20" barrel and in a very short time he could have set off 20-30 rounds at aircraft. These rounds will take up to a 737 down with correctly placed rounds when they are on approach or departure. I also have the capability to build this type of system up just would take me a day or two longer, but could be done from raw materials.
There are SO many more ways to do this MUCH cheaper than what he did, and with so many options as to what could have been worse. You can't legislate will away once someone like this puts their minds to it. Also metal detectors wouldn't have worked in a situation such as this as he has TIME to get just a couple of them up piece by piece, and the time to get the ammo up there.