I'm sure that Micon, his daughter and wife will love living in Antigua for the rest of their lives.
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I'm sure that Micon, his daughter and wife will love living in Antigua for the rest of their lives.
Antigua - black 91%, mixed 4.4%, white 1.7%, other 2.9%
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Themselves, yes. Micon, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
The focus is more upon what they'll be doing (and not be doing) going forward, and you have to really look at it closely to pick out the parts indicating that he didn't hold the money. It wasn't even stated clearly enough to ever be used as a legal defense.
To me this looks like they were making it clear to the NGC and other law enforcement bodies reading it that:
1) They are paying people out, and this wasn't a scam
2) Everyone but Micon is closing shop immediately and won't be offering any more bitcoin gambling, nor will they be supporting Micon's new venture in any way
So that release mainly looks like something they put out to mitigate their own damages. Since they control sealswithclubs.eu (and always have, apparently), I don't even think Micon had a choice about what they wrote. Not saying he did or didn't approve the statement (I don't know), but I'm pretty sure they were adamant about getting those two important points out there.
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Originally Posted by DRK Star
Prob not too hard to guess my four.
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Hey Druff, the first 3 seconds of this video will tell you how the pronounce the word "Antigua"... Will save you sounding like a bit of an ass the next time you mention it on radio..
It is NOT "Ant-wie-ga"
Rest of the video isn't bad either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lO4DHCJ4a4
edit- @2.30 the bitch pronounces it similar to the way Druff did...
So maybe it's me that's the ass.... but I've never heard it said like that before.
They actually did come back up for a few hours after the initial outage. Given what hdev was saying in lobby chat when they came up and when he announced he was taking it back down, it seems like they actually thought it was a hardware problem at first. I don't really know what to make of the few days after they went down, they were talking about stuff being back on twitter but also put up a cashout form and the wording on the website made it seem like they might not be coming up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZOCould very well be. Originally they said hardware failure and would be back up soon probably to give Micon time to maneuver. If they gave out misinformation initially why couldn't they do it with press release? Meant to quote daly on my 8th beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
I bet the guy who advertised his poker deposit cards on NWP would question micon's integrity, after micon stole his idea and started his own version of the same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineNo one who has met Micon would question his integrity (ok almost no one).Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
The X factor here is the 'new people' hes bringing aboard. We saw this pattern repeat itself on the old silk road sites; one day, bitcoins vanish, and some dude the site operators trusted is no longer responding to emails/phone calls.
With Micon shopping for an entirely new team to replace Seals, I think one would have to make quite a leap of faith to deposit btc on a site that:
1) has totally unknown elements hired under duress responsible for the money
2) absolutely 100% has not had the time or money to hire 3rd party penetration testers, much less code auditers
3) there is no indication they have any perimeter defense solutions (IDP/IDS) in place to mitigate emerging threats.
Between the site getting hacked by Russians and one of Micon's new superteam enabling Godmode by sniffing network traffic, tailing logs, or snooping processes.... I consider any deposits to that site to be critically endangered pending a responsible disclosure from the chairman detailing what progress has been made on all those fronts.
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Nevada residents get a 200% match for first deposit?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
LOL, the site is on Micon's own dime now so that ain't happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
He's basically gave the finger to the Nevada Gaming Commission with this relaunch so he better not step foot in the state and probably the entire country again.
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Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerLOL, the site is on Micon's own dime now so that ain't happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
He's basically gave the finger to the Nevada Gaming Commission with this relaunch so he better not step foot in the state and probably the entire country again.
Soooo, odds he got his gaming license from Antigua?
so blake just made a slam dunk post in IST...
basically blake pointed out that micon just told the antiguan government that since bitcoin doesnt exist within the 'banking system' his business is except from their licensing requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by micon
because that line definitely worked out great for him in vegas.
micon is literally one of the biggest idiots ever
Nitrogen Sports is operating in Costa Rica exclusively with anon BTC transactions offering all sorts of gaming including poker. Owners and operators are largely anonymous. I've only seen one guy's name attached to the operation. All players are anonymous. Seems like there's no issues there with any of the other gaming issues brought up by operating in Antigua.
SWC already has a brand and following, why not just go to CR, disappear, and reopen SWC. Fuck, add degen sports betting to the repertoire if you want. Just don't be the Youtube sensation and degen king Bryan Micon. Lay low man...the US just seriously targets this shit with a fucking vengeance.
CR certainly isn't extraditing Americans involved in gaming. Frankly, you could collect millions in deposits and stiff everyone and nobody's doing shit.
And seriously, this whole gaming personality BS that micon is going with is just straight up dumb. Do you know who the owner of 5 Dimes is? It's Tony right? Who the fuck is Tony? Doing Youtube videos? No. But we all know exactly who Bryan Micon is. Just seriously so fucking stupid.
Plus CR is a fucking cool ass place. The Caribbean sucks.
Because weed is more legal in Antigua
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Druff already saw that post
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Originally Posted by sonatine
these antiguan observer news stories were mind-blowingly stupid on micon's part.
he's admitting that he's now the sole owner of seals with clubs, that it will be up and running within days and that he's basically living in antigua.
he's mistaken if he thinks that the fact that the server is physically located in romania will be enough to exempt him from getting an antiguan gaming license. a hell of a lot more goes into the analysis than just the physical location of the server. like if all your key employees (i.e. micon) are in antigua, antigua will surely take the position that the business is operating and must be licensed there. the fact that seals with clubs is not licensed in romania or any other jurisdiction makes his argument look even more ridiculous.
micon's basically admitting that he wants to use antigua to shelter him from the US, yet he's not giving antigua anything in return. just fucking idiotic.
This is going to end incredibly badly for him. I feel pretty awful for his wife and kid.
I wouldn't be surprised if they interrogated the shit out of Micon.
They probably told him, tell us everything and you go home today and we'll put in a good word for you.
Refuse to cooperate, your going to jail and our case is a slam dunk and you'll get x amount of years. Do you want your daughter only being able to visit you in a prison?
He may be in Antigua to hide from his business partners and not the govt. Maybe both, who knows.
Is there any evidence that Micon isnt still currently working with the same people at Seals?
They may have told a story just to get the heat off of them and make people think they are now out of it.
The reality is that there is lots of things to speculate about, but nothing proven yet.
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He's not exactly hiding or even pretending to hide. He's actually doing interviews and videos telling people where he is and what he's doing. That's pretty close to if not exactly the antithesis of hiding.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
SMH the broke peanut gallery needs to stop nerd raging over micon's multimillion dollar operation.
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Good luck in Antigua. The trending stories on that page shouldn't give any cause for concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom
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Damn...how many balloons does he pop each year with that face.
Starting to look a little like Bruce Jenner?Quote:
Originally Posted by TexterQuote:
Damn...how many balloons does he pop each year with that face.
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Originally Posted by TexterQuote:
Damn...how many balloons does he pop each year with that face.
Best case scenario is that Antigua more or less has mercy on him and lets him stay in their shithole country for god knows how long. The problem is that if his new bitcoin poker site doesnt work out he is fucked. Only he knows what is on those computers that were seized, but even he seems to think he is going to be charged.
He can keep saying over and over to himself he has done nothing wrong, but he is using the same sort of warped thinking that the guys behind Silk Road and bitcoin exchanges used before they went to prison. I am not saying there is a moral equivalent between the businesses but these bitcoin guys seems to brainwash themselves into believing that laws dont apply simply because how one interacts with bitcoins is different than how one interacts with real currency. It is a very "cult like" mentality as you can give the person all the evidence to the contrary, pick apart their logic, but they still wont budge. His "math does not bow to guns" line just shows you he doesn't get it. It ISNT about the bitcoin itself. It is about the laws that were broken using the bitcoin as the means to purchase the goods and services. If we are to believe that Micon did nothing wrong, then the guy behind Silk Road should still be free.
100 % agree it is a total warped mentality, here is a quote from the articleQuote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Texter
Best case scenario is that Antigua more or less has mercy on him and lets him stay in their shithole country for god knows how long. The problem is that if his new bitcoin poker site doesnt work out he is fucked. Only he knows what is on those computers that were seized, but even he seems to think he is going to be charged.
He can keep saying over and over to himself he has done nothing wrong, but he is using the same sort of warped thinking that the guys behind Silk Road and bitcoin exchanges used before they went to prison. I am not saying there is a moral equivalent between the businesses but these bitcoin guys seems to brainwash themselves into believing that laws dont apply simply because how one interacts with bitcoins is different than how one interacts with real currency. It is a very "cult like" mentality as you can give the person all the evidence to the contrary, pick apart their logic, but they still wont budge. His "math does not bow to guns" line just shows you he doesn't get it. It ISNT about the bitcoin itself. It is about the laws that were broken using the bitcoin as the means to purchase the goods and services. If we are to believe that Micon did nothing wrong, then the guy behind Silk Road should still be free.
He explained that the online gaming company uses Bitcoin, a digital currency, to conduct transactions and further argued that as far as he’s aware, his operation cannot be considered illegal because there are no laws, in the US or elsewhere, governing the use of this new electronic currency.
So does this mean I can just come up with my own crypto currency and set up gambling sites all over the USA and world and profit and it wont be illegal?
Best dressed man in poker. Looking a little Steve Martinish ;)Quote:
He explained that the online gaming company uses Bitcoin, a digital currency, to conduct transactions and further argued that as far as he’s aware, his operation cannot be considered illegal because there are no laws, in the US or elsewhere, governing the use of this new electronic currency.
People who used bitcoins on silk road found out differently. Obviously I am not saying poker is the same as buying drugs but using this as a defense probably would not fly if he were to be charged.
Exactly my point. Based on this logic the founder of Silk Road should be a free man since all the transaction were done with Bitcoin. However, the government doesnt see it that way and that guy faces min of 30 years in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac100 % agree it is a total warped mentality, here is a quote from the articleQuote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
He explained that the online gaming company uses Bitcoin, a digital currency, to conduct transactions and further argued that as far as he’s aware, his operation cannot be considered illegal because there are no laws, in the US or elsewhere, governing the use of this new electronic currency.
So does this mean I can just come up with my own crypto currency and set up gambling sites all over the USA and world and profit and it wont be illegal?
So basically with this line of thinking, someone could rent out the MGM convention center and host the BSOP (Bitcoin Series of Poker) and have people buyin and cash out with Bitcoin and this would be legal?
He explained that the online gaming company uses Bitcoin, a digital currency, to conduct transactions and further argued that as far as he’s aware, his operation cannot be considered illegal because there are no laws, in the US or elsewhere, governing the use of this new electronic currency.
Indeed very flawed rationalizing logic. The law may come after him for making these types of statements just to have a case showing on the books that bitcoins cannot be used as a form of circumvention. People trying to evade laws would be charged with the Micon swc bitcoin statute.
It seems even worse than that. He seems to think you can provide ANY goods and services (even if the goods and services are illegal) and as long as you use bitcoin as the "currency" for the transaction the goods or services be cant classified as illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
The stupidity in this thinking runs so deep it is honestly hard to believe.
The whole concept of Bitcoin not being valued is hilarious. The follow up question should always be "how do you get Bitcoin?" When the answer is you buy it with money, then obviously it's a valued currency
best case he will be a nervous wreck every time he lands in the U.S., worst case, arrested on entry. horrible way to live your life.
Just because it's interesting: Canada actually did put down some laws regarding gambling of cryptocurrency. This caused the owner of just-dice to close down for some months, only to (as far as anyone can tell) legally come back up using a different one (CLAMS instead of Bitcoin) because there were no exchanges trading CLAMS for official currency. Not that that has anything to do with Micon or Seals, but I thought it was interesting that a vagueness in laws created wiggle room for them. It's pretty clear that the pachinco model doesn't fly in Nevada, but I've heard of bars in some states playing poker for a buy-in then awarding stuffed animals or some shit that they trade back for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyExactly my point. Based on this logic the founder of Silk Road should be a free man since all the transaction were done with Bitcoin. However, the government doesnt see it that way and that guy faces min of 30 years in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
It's silly to think bitcoin makes gambling fly in the states, some states have laws that outlaw any gambling with something of value, not just dollars. Maybe you can play poker for ham sandwiches in some states, but in others even play money is illegal if there is any value attached. Value being such a wide term that even a leaderboard of winners that provides personal bragging satisfaction could constitute "value." Most states also have laws against giving drugs to someone else, regardless of the number of ham sandwiches that are involved in the transaction.
Obviously none of this has fuck-all to do with this thread, it just made me get sad about the fact that we can't just play poker and be treated like reasonable, consenting, human beings in this country. The comparison, on a poker forum no less, to people that conspired to distribute drugs and have people murdered further depresses my hopes that some day we'll wake up to poker being treated like the game that it is.
except the silk road guy dealt in drugs and murder-for-hire which is quite illegal whether bitcoin was involved or not. Guy could have been giving his wares out for free and he'd still be going to jail, bitcoin or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney