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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
There is a big hole in this narrative; its one thing to get into these things early, its another to do it right.
People who do it right have minimal exposure and maximum returns. Micon's theme song seems to be maximum exposure, minimal returns.
Yeah the whole reason his list is so long is because micon ended up failing on executing each one properly, or else the list could've stayed at one and he'd be paid
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Never say never!
May take a decade or two but yeah you just jinxed yourself.
Not saying you'll be best buddies n shit but
you n Micon will end up reminiscing about the good ole days or sharing a laugh or two at a poker table or something.
Dutch is mentioned because: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...sWithClubs-comQuote:
Originally Posted by beano52Gank played on SWC some and seemed pretty broke, talked about living in Cali @ some hostileQuote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO
(guess he's always got those 20 acres of oceanfront property in the middle of Idaho).
Dutch rarely played of recent on SWC (at least under the "Dutch" screen name).
Dutch did just bink $288,000 something @ WSOP circa '14.
http://i.imgur.com/856N3FX.jpg?1
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I CAME LATE TO THE PARTY WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN YOU GUYS???
DOUBT DRUFF WILL ANSWER....
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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
+1
http://www.antiguagaming.gov.ag/file...0Licencing.pdf
cliffs:
- any company wanting a gaming license must be incorporated under laws of Antigua
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- any owner with more than 5% stake must complete personal declaration which includes where all your money came from in last 5 years and details if youve ever been arrested regardless if charges were laid
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- once all information and fee is received commission will grant a decision on your license within 60 days
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-prevention of money laundering, How will the identities of the players be verified? What internal procedures will be employed
regarding ‘Know Your Customer’? How will monies, both deposited and withdrawn,
be monitored? These are some of the questions which must be taken into consideration.
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-provide proof of capital. in addition you must also provide minimum of USD$100,000 as security (this is on top of fees)
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- must provide business plan detailing accounting, finances, security, record keeping etc as soon as practical but within 90 days but before you begin conducting interactive gaming
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- social responsibility - provide details how you will prevent underage and problem gambling
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Originally Posted by sonatine
The thing with a lot of those opportunities was Micon inserting himself into someone else's brilliant idea. You know, an angle shooter. Rarely does the angle shooter do things correctly, but backs into a winner every now and again.. and then gets his ass kicked by those he angle shot. In this case the angle shootee is every B&M casino in Nevada that paid for the privilege of doing business there.
Would hate to think of the scenario we would be looking at if this was 1965 Las Vegas and he pulled this shit.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
The thing with a lot of those opportunities was Micon inserting himself into someone else's brilliant idea. You know, an angle shooter. Rarely does the angle shooter do things correctly, but backs into a winner every now and again.. and then gets his ass kicked by those he angle shot. In this case the angle shootee is every B&M casino in Nevada that paid for the privilege of doing business there.
Would hate to think of the scenario we would be looking at if this was 1965 Las Vegas and he pulled this shit.
I gotta say, what worries me now is how the Antiguan locals are going to take to Micon's stick it to the man act.
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Originally Posted by phantom
Like I said. A scam. He has no intention of getting one
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I would stack up on any amount that he thinks hes 100% going to get one.
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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
I would stack up on any amount that he thinks hes 100% going to get one.
Maybe the application reads like a warrant. -Micon " I am not a lawyer and I don't understand a lot of what's in it."
20 pages since I last opened this thread?
Cliffs for the too lazy to read crowd would be appreciated.
honestly if youre looking for new info check out the 'dinosaurs are fake' thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
BUCKLE THE FUCK UP FIRST.
How about Druff and Micon had a falling out 4 years ago went on with each other their lives and moved on? There are several close friends over the years I had falling outs with, and just moved on. It's not that unusual. Not sure why there are all these conspiracy theories on why two people who were friends now simply despise each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffNo, we don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
I read somewhere Bill Murray and Harold Ramis once we the best of friends in all their move collaborations in the 80s (Ghostbusters, Stripes, etc...). Then in the mid 90s they had a huge falling out on the set of Groundhog Day. Even nearly 20 years later when Ramis was on his death bed, Murray finally made a glancing attempt to put it behind him, but by all accounts it was just an act, they still hated each other. Shit happens.
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Originally Posted by TonyHow about Druff and Micon had a falling out 4 years ago went on with each other their lives and moved on? There are several close friends over the years I had falling outs with, and just moved on. It's not that unusual. Not sure why there are all these conspiracy theories on why two people who were friends now simply despise each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I read somewhere Bill Murray and Harold Ramis once we the best of friends in all their move collaborations in the 80s (Ghostbusters, Stripes, etc...). Then in the mid 90s they had a huge falling out on the of Groundhog Day. Even nearly 20 years later when Ramis was on his death bed, Murray finally made a glancing attempt to put it behind him, but by all accounts it was just an act, they still hated each other. Shit happens.
Not sure how seals is going to be the number one topic when obviously the dinos are the real scoop. If Druff can be the first to expose the fake scientists, so called 'paleontologists,' and the massive conspiracy to hide the truth all in an elaborate scheme to take our money so we can look at chicken bones on display, then he will become a legendary talk show host internationally syndicated, the biggest radio show of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatinehonestly if youre looking for new info check out the 'dinosaurs are fake' thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
BUCKLE THE FUCK UP FIRST.
Either way I hope this all gets cleared up soon. Because if Druff doesn't get on this soon, I'm sure Brian Williams will do a nice job lying and covering up for it when he is back on air in 6 months, with a puff piece about how little Tommy found a T-rex fossil right in his backyard.
They quit making the worst podcast effort that ever happened, together.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I CAME LATE TO THE PARTY WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN YOU GUYS???
DOUBT DRUFF WILL ANSWER....
The Chairman speaks some more...
A bit of new info in this Antiguan newspaper article: $20K in electronic equipment? And boy does he sound like he's trying to butter up those Antiguans.
http://antiguaobserver.com/ousted-ga...-for-business/
Ousted gaming company owner considers Antigua for business
February 25, 2015
The chairman of Seals With Clubs, a Bitcoin Poker gaming operation which US authorities suspect has been operating illegally, said he’s is considering moving his business to Antigua permanently after his Las Vegas home was raided on February 11, 2015.
The businessman, Bryan Micon who also confirmed to OBSERVER media that he is already in Antigua, denied reports he “fled” to this country to hide from US investigators who, in a search warrant, said his business is in violation of the Nevada Revised Statutes NRS 463.750(10b).
The warrant further alleged the gaming site does not have the appropriate licenses as required by State law NRS 463.160(1a).
In an exclusive interview, Micon said, “With the recent development with Seals With Clubs, my former partners didn’t want anything to do with it anymore for whatever reasons. Some of the guys we’re still working with are re-launching a server in Europe and are going to start offering Bitcoin poker to the world and they are very interested in settling here in Antigua and opening an office here,” he said.
The investor said he hopes they would succeed in setting up business here and he’s encouraged that Antigua has been fighting the US, through the World Trade Organisation (WTO), in a decade old dispute.
The entrepreneur added, “I have been watching the new Antigua government and it looks very positive to online gaming and tourism businesses and employing Antigua and creating new Antiguan jobs. So, it seems it is such a wonderful place to live and work and I’m considering to go through the motions to see what it’s like to base everything here.”
Micon said he became chairman of the company after his partners quit and “handed over all the assets” immediately following the raid.
He also said he is not suspicious of his partners who wish to remain anonymous, although they readily handed over everything to him, and have decided to walk away from the company without a fight.
Speaking about the online media reports that he’s evading prosecution by US authorities, Micon said he came to Antigua about a week ago, but added his trip was planned long before the recent raid.
The entrepreneur, however added that although it was planned for a later date, it was brought up by a few weeks to give his family “a break” from the trauma of the experience, during which his electronic equipment, valued at over US$20,000 and his wife’s phone, among other items, were allegedly taken from the family.
You have to tuck your feathers tight and fly high in this spot.
Make sharp moves. An old man once told me that in life, "sometimes less is more".. You may know your truths, but the timing when dealing with a criminal case isn't always "right" when you think it feels right. Let your lawyers handle all your public persona/brovada...
Bitcoin separates the legal case. Its valid, we played for bitcoin NEVER a USD!!!.
Yesterday's article is still up too: http://antiguaobserver.com/gaming-ch...s-police-raid/Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
This is only notable because Micon has been responding to comments on it, the big one being that he had signed a lease on a previous trip so already had a residence there. Considering the timing, I wonder if NGC raided his home earlier than they intended because of his traveling and getting living arrangements set up in Antigua.
I am still at a loss as to how Micon will operate in Jamaica without being licensed. Puzzling as to how the silent partners will manage to remain anonymous. Wouldn't they have had to sign contracts when gave Micon 50 percent or whatever it was of seals? I am sure they communicated. Wouldn't Micons partners who wish to remain anonymous be located thru computer emails back and forth between Micon? I hope they get away unscathed, just wondering if could be further actions or the serving of the warrant is the end of it. Seems unlikely that serving of warrant is the end of it . Would it have been possible to encrypt all messages? Hopefully that was the case.
It could possibly be that they were fearful of his relocation coinciding with the relase of 2.0 software (which was stated as being close to release).Quote:
Originally Posted by neorabYesterday's article is still up too: http://antiguaobserver.com/gaming-ch...s-police-raid/Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
This is only notable because Micon has been responding to comments on it, the big one being that he had signed a lease on a previous trip so already had a residence there. Considering the timing, I wonder if NGC raided his home earlier than they intended because of his traveling and getting living arrangements set up in Antigua.
I love how Micon is convincing the media that he is some big shot "chairman" or "chief" of some huge gaming company. When in reality he is a lazy delusional stoner who sits around in a 20yr old tshirt everyday high out of his mind, trying to figure out ways to contribute nothing to society.
Also those comments and hus responses are pure gold. Just a "family man" Bryan Micon is, a persecuted one. Yeah fucking right.
So the way I read this is probably the same guys are running Seals from Europe and Micon Fled the country. That sound about right?Quote:
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i mean ok cool but you just described pretty much 90% of silicone valley.
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Originally Posted by chinamaniacSo the way I read this is probably the same guys are running Seals from Europe and Micon Fled the country. That sound about right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
Yes after re reading looks like the server will be in Europe, prob a 3d world country? Sounds like the programmers are going to stay with seals but the main guys (hdev) are out.
I may have missed but does Antigua have an extradition treaty with US?
It appears they do.
They do but at the same time if they do think he was an owner of the originally Seals are they going to go and get him? Is this big enough?Quote:
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I need a refresher on how this works. Calvin Ayre is Antigua & Costa Rica too. They never got him.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacThey do but at the same time if they do think he was an owner of the originally Seals are they going to go and get him? Is this big enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I was expecting some "Allah Akbar!" moment as Micon pushed the launch button in Antigua. Guess that's not happening.
This thread is god. Without all the 2+2 noise you guys have sussed out all the relevant shit to create a picture of exactly where this guy stands.
As of now, Micon has 3 things to worry about:
1) Charges pending from SealsWithClubs.com via NGC
2) Charges being generated from SWCPoker.eu or whatever via NGC because Im sure hes still legally a Vegas resident
3) (a whole new problem) Charges being generated from SWCPoker.edu by the Antiguan authorities, who arent going to take kindly to some honkey yank stoner thumbing his nose at all their well established gaming laws from a beach front rental.
As bad as #1 and #2 are, at least he goes to jail on US soil. #3 puts him in the slam in Antigua. And that is sooooooooooo real.
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Yes after re reading looks like the server will be in Europe, prob a 3d world country? Sounds like the programmers are going to stay with seals but the main guys (hdev) are out.
The article is a bit confusing, but I believe this is what he's saying:
- They are going to immediately run the server from Europe (probably that same Romanian server, or if not something similar), and he will just live in Antigua to avoid the US authorities from cracking down on him for offering games to US residents.
- If everything goes well, and he can get investors, he will move the whole operation (including the servers) to Antigua, and legally register/license everything a legit business there.
He is doing the Europe thing so he won't be breaking Antiguan law (or at least so he believes) by operating an unlicensed gambling site there. I am not sure how Antigua feels about that. Perhaps they only care about licensing if the physical servers are based out of Antigua. I don't know, perhaps someone can clarify out here.
I also believe he did this interview because he wanted to make clear to Antiguan authorities that the new Seals will initially be run by his partners in Europe, and not from Antigua, thus not leaving him on the hook for a license.
His current partners are not necessarily European. He's just saying the server will be set up there. The partners may be American, may be European, may be some other nationality, and in fact they may not exist at all.
Anyway, that's how I read it.
Also it looks like he is denying moving to Antigua to run from US authorities, so he will be deemed more suitable to get a license down the line. One of the requirements for licensing in Antigua is that you're not on the run from the law elsewhere.
I'm not sure how he thinks he's going to pull off that explanation, since he clearly stated in his own video that he decided it was better to leave the US "sooner than later" after the raid, and you don't have to be a genius to understand what that meant.
With that said, he is telling the truth that he was planning an Antigua move before the raid. That part isn't BS.
The comment section is gold. What a delusional fuck.
So that explains how he will get around licensing, the server will be in Romania. I still wonder how Antigua govt will be with the fact that he is running a poker site from their country albeit the server is not located there. Lot of gamble. Server is going to be in Romania and his partners are going to be offering (marketing)bitcoin world wide. I would hope he would have felt someone out in the govt. with regard to running the site while a resident of Antigua.Quote:
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Looks like the people of Antigua aren't too happy with "Macon" hiding out there.Quote:
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Iris • 9 hours ago
Send him packing, back from whence he came. Antigua is not a hideout for law breakers.
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Da Ras • 3 hours ago
the more I read this guy's(micon) quotes, the more I'm convinced he is a used car salesman.
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Ermle • 4 hours ago
This man needs to be kicked to the curb and sent back to the USA to allow the authorities there to deal with it.
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Ermle • 7 hours ago
Turn him over to t he US authorities.
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david • an hour ago
This man needs to answer to his past.... Antigua does not approve.
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carvaa • 11 hours ago
Macon became chairman of the company after his partners quit and handed over all the assets immediately following the raid. What a lucky man. Now all this took place around February 11th. It's now February 25th. Electronic equipment, wife's phone and other items were seized. and if I know these people well, first to go was his computers, and when the US government takes your computer, it ain't over. Mr Macon, in a case such as this, wouldn't it be wiser taking a long vacation to reflect before jumping back in so soon? Sir, either you're a very bold man or a very slick man, and I'll used the latter since you've been doing pretty well on the media. The way you speak of my country, our government should give you an office in the Tourism ministry. Yes we are eager to get our gaming industry rolling once more, but we can't afford to have Wadadli back in the USA Today Newspaper again. One Love my brother.
Let's not forget though that Calvin Ayre is also Canadian, and as far as I can tell, not running from Canadian authorities. I have to imagine that it is harder to grab a Canadian than your own Citizen in these situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarI need a refresher on how this works. Calvin Ayre is Antigua & Costa Rica too. They never got him.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
I was expecting some "Allah Akbar!" moment as Micon pushed the launch button in Antigua. Guess that's not happening.
This thread is god. Without all the 2+2 noise you guys have sussed out all the relevant shit to create a picture of exactly where this guy stands.
Also, Calvin is rich as fuck and Micon is not.
I thought I would put this out there even though I don't honestly believe it myself. I think everyone, including most of us here and on the radio show, picked up on the fact that the Seal presser released the other day really went out of it's way to say that Micon never had control of the money or any other "real responsibility" at/with Seals.
Could it be that the rest of the company is over in Europe and they are just throwing out bullshit to help Micon and possibly themselves? If Micon has any pull what-so-ever at Seals anymore there is no way he would let that presser come out reading the way it did unless he was in on it.
Thoughts?
Could very well be. Originally they said hardware failure and would be back up soon probably to give Micon time to maneuver. If they gave out misinformation initially why couldn't they do it with press release? Meant to quote daly on my 8th beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyLet's not forget though that Calvin Ayre is also Canadian, and as far as I can tell, not running from Canadian authorities. I have to imagine that it is harder to grab a Canadian than your own Citizen in these situations.Quote:
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Also, Calvin is rich as fuck and Micon is not.