Active shooter in Las Vegas

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saw a couple of girls running while snapchatting.

even worse were the dumbasses who stood up yelling out fuck you and flicking off air in the general direction.

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If anyone needs convincing that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol, they just need to watch that video. The guy has beer in hand, people dying around him, people on the ground around him trying to take cover, and he is trying to antagonize a guy that is shooting at him with what is essentially an automatic weapon .

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Nothing to do with alky or weed, the snap chat, twitter, video, fb, texting during that crisis in the line of fire is a prime example of the intelligence of said group. It was not all attendees but a lot!

I do not believe I am being harsh, though it may sound harsh ask yourself, would older, well educated, wealthy types (assuming one would attend such a concert), do ANY of that stupidity while their head is a live target? Imagine such a terror attack happened at an opera in Geneva, think we'd see that moronic behavior?

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

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Originally Posted by blake

but i can also see it being embarrassing for ISIS if they claim he was an ISIS soldier, when a few days later it comes out that he wasn't (like if he made a video confession a few days earlier or something).

i'm *officially* leaning to this being ISIS-related

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ISIS bullshit works just like Trump bullshit. They can make ridiculous accusations because they know two things-

1) Their brainwashed minions will immediately believe it.

2) If every mainstream news outlet runs a story completely debunking the accusation (as has happened many times for both) their brainwashed minions will dismiss it as "Jew lies", if they ever even see it in the first place. That's why vilifying the press is such an important part of their brainwashing.

We're not the real target audience of ISIS propaganda, its members and potential members are. They need to brag about fake successes to counter the fact that they've been losing territory for most of 2 years. Just this week, the Iraqi Army took back the last significant Iraqi town controlled by ISIS.

If you're serious about your ISIS suspicious, I'm pretty disappointed in you. He was a devout wahabist Muslim who spent most of his final days gambling? And he owned no Korans or any religious objects of any kind? And he didn't mention his conversion to hardcore Islam to anyone?

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in fairness, i've followed almost none of this story except that he had a ton of guns and apparently was not specifically targeting this group, but was scouting out other concerts as well.

does ISIS have a tendency to lie about these things? i'm genuinely asking as i have no idea and am too lazy to google

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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps

I bet LOTF has a 3 inch erect penis when he types these posts. Can't wait til Liz crokes so Canada can drop the monarchy.

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Canadians like Will & Kate and their kids a lot. I doubt we drop the monarchy.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

http://cdn.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-c...le-431x600.jpg

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While I was writing my last post, I remembered this receipt. No devout Muslim would order a non-Halal cheeseburger from Mandalay.

But then I noticed the date at the top left was 9/27, and I believe he checked in on 9/28.

EDIT- The source page of those pictures addresses the date thing.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...uite-2-people/

i've gone over more of Callimachi's tweets. for those that don't know, she's the NYTimes reporter covering ISIS, so she's not exactly a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

a couple of her more notable tweets on the subject:

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sorry that was a disastrously long post, but those tweets are so interesting (like LOTF noted) that i wanted to post them

again... the person saying all of this is the fucking NYTimes reporter covering ISIS

her suspicions should just be rejected out of hand?

another thing to note that it was Callimachi who other newspapers like the USA Today ran to, in order to debunk the ISIS claim, which she did initially, but has since backtracked

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Originally Posted by blake

does ISIS have a tendency to lie about these things? i can see why they would, but i can also see it being embarrassing for ISIS if they claim he was an ISIS soldier, when a few days later it comes out that he wasn't (like if he made a video confession a few days earlier or something).

i'm *officially* leaning to this being ISIS-related

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That, of course, makes sense for an organization wanting to maintain a degree of credibility. And if that self-proclaimed expert is right about ISIS 'rarely' claiming credit for attacks that had nothing to do with them. Then yeah, game on I guess.

Still have huge doubts myself as many so-called experts still insist that ISIS are full of shit A LOT of the time.

Add to the fact it would be their biggest ever overseas coup, I would assume they'd have released at least something to back their claim up.

Also, just look at the guy. I know he had a Filipino partner. But fuck me, an old American white man not only converting to Islam but taking up Jihad as well?

Seriously can't buy into that at all just yet (maybe its denial). But I'm no longer at zero point zero chance after what we've just read.

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Originally Posted by blake

sorry that was a disastrously long post, but those tweets are so interesting (like LOTF noted) that i wanted to post them

again... the person saying all of this is the fucking NYTimes reporter covering ISIS

her suspicions should just be rejected out of hand?

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Ignoring her acknowledged complete lack of evidence- On three previous occasions, ISIS has taken credit for things they had absolutely nothing to do with. Why is it so hard to believe that they did it a fourth time?

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sorry that was a disastrously long post, but those tweets are so interesting (like LOTF noted) that i wanted to post them

again... the person saying all of this is the fucking NYTimes reporter covering ISIS

her suspicions should just be rejected out of hand?

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Ignoring her acknowledged complete lack of evidence- On three previous occasions, ISIS has taken credit for things they had absolutely nothing to do with. Why is it so hard to believe that they did it a fourth time?

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i could explain further, but i would just be plagiarizing her. are you "disappointed" with the NYTimes journalist covering ISIS for not rejecting the idea that he was radicalized?

the ISIS reporter for the fucking New York Times.

did i mention she covers ISIS for the NYTimes?

#7 literally the only tweet that mattered:

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psychotic dad
full time gambler
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there just arent a lot of entry points there for radicalism. im not going to be like [ EXPLOSION SOUND ] MIND BLOWN if he decided one day out of the blue that jihad was the answer but its Really Fucking Dumb to connect those dots at this point.

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Originally Posted by blake

sorry that was a disastrously long post, but those tweets are so interesting (like LOTF noted) that i wanted to post them

again... the person saying all of this is the fucking NYTimes reporter covering ISIS

her suspicions should just be rejected out of hand?

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Ignoring her acknowledged complete lack of evidence- On three previous occasions, ISIS has taken credit for things they had absolutely nothing to do with. Why is it so hard to believe that they did it a fourth time?

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Because their attacks likely run into the hundreds, and lying about just 3 (if that stat is true) would make their 'lie rate' incredibly low.

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#7 literally the only tweet that mattered:

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there just arent a lot of entry points there for radicalism. im not going to be like [ EXPLOSION SOUND ] MIND BLOWN if he decided one day out of the blue that jihad was the answer but its Really Fucking Dumb to connect those dots at this point.

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but that's not what she's doing. she's saying she can't just reject the notion that he was radicalized. she also makes a decent argument for the premise that ISIS's claim of responsibility is a fact that makes it more likely and not less likely (or neutral), that he was radicalized.

For the sake of this discussion, I'll assume we are all on the same page that there isn't a discernible difference between ISIS and Mossad.

Gotta agree with Barry here.

No evidence he had ties to ISIS, and it's incredibly difficult to believe that he was radicalized, given both his background and recent actions.

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#7 literally the only tweet that mattered:

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there just arent a lot of entry points there for radicalism. im not going to be like [ EXPLOSION SOUND ] MIND BLOWN if he decided one day out of the blue that jihad was the answer but its Really Fucking Dumb to connect those dots at this point.

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but that's not what she's doing. she's saying she can't just reject the notion that he was radicalized. she also makes a decent argument for the premise that ISIS's claim of responsibility is a fact that makes it more likely and not less likely (or neutral), that he was radicalized.

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your face was radicalized.

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#7 literally the only tweet that mattered:

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there just arent a lot of entry points there for radicalism. im not going to be like [ EXPLOSION SOUND ] MIND BLOWN if he decided one day out of the blue that jihad was the answer but its Really Fucking Dumb to connect those dots at this point.

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but that's not what she's doing. she's saying she can't just reject the notion that he was radicalized. she also makes a decent argument for the premise that ISIS's claim of responsibility is a fact that makes it more likely and not less likely (or neutral), that he was radicalized.

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I don't give a shit who she writes for. I'm evaluating her argument, and it sucks.

Evidence against-
Devout Muslims don't gamble, and he definitely gambled last week.
No one noticed what would have been a massive and obvious lifestyle change.

Evidence for-
ISIS, who has lied 3 times before, said so.

I'd say the preponderance of evidence is massively on the against side. Is it impossible? Like Sonatine just said, of course not. But until another chunk of evidence lands of the For side, it's just not worth seriously discussing.

blakes mounting losses in fantasy football have literally destroyed his brain

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Originally Posted by blake

but that's not what she's doing. she's saying she can't just reject the notion that he was radicalized. she also makes a decent argument for the premise that ISIS's claim of responsibility is a fact that makes it more likely and not less likely (or neutral), that he was radicalized.

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I don't give a shit who she writes for. I'm evaluating her argument, and it sucks.

Evidence against-
Devout Muslims don't gamble, and he definitely gambled last week.
No one noticed what would have been a massive and obvious lifestyle change.

Evidence for-
ISIS, who has lied 3 times before, said so.

I say the preponderance of evidence is massively on the against side. Is it impossible? Like Sonatine just said, of course not. But until another chunk of evidence lands of the For side, it's just not worth seriously discussing.

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i suggest that the fact that she works for the NYTimes makes her more credible as it's not coming from a right-wing conspiracy site. if this was a reporter from breitbart or infowars, you would surely be pointing that out.

also you're diminishing the arguments she set forth.

she said that ISIS lied three times out of 50. i.e., 47 of 50 times, they did not lie. even when they do lie, they have not lied on the scale of something like this.

they don't simply take responsibility for every act of terror, even ones they are 100% involved in.

as of yet, the police have come out with no motive. the LV sheriff oddly asked the question of whether he was radicalized at a press conference.

i'm not telling you that there is proof that he was radicalized or even that it's more likely than not that he was. i don't think we can discount it though, and it is at least as plausible as a million of the other theories we are debating here.

also lol at it's so ridiculous that it's not worth discussing. we have 39 pages of idiotic theories already

if youre still grasping for attribution and motive after finding out paddock donated to bernie sanders, you have not been paying attention.

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if youre still grasping for attribution and motive after finding out paddock donated to bernie sanders, you have not been paying attention.

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Exactly.

Bernie has been a Mossad agent for decades.

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Ignoring her acknowledged complete lack of evidence- On three previous occasions, ISIS has taken credit for things they had absolutely nothing to do with. Why is it so hard to believe that they did it a fourth time?

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i could explain further, but i would just be plagiarizing her. are you "disappointed" with the NYTimes journalist covering ISIS for not rejecting the idea that he was radicalized?

the ISIS reporter for the fucking New York Times.

did i mention she covers ISIS for the NYTimes?

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He is probably visibly shaking at the thought of it not being just some random white guy right winger gun nut, and instead another Islamic terrorist action.

a couple other points on this

while the ISIS angle may sound crazy (and it does), doesn't the theory that he was a degenerate gambler that decided to meticulously plan and shoot hundreds of people for gambling losses (i guess?) sound equally nuts?

and before that he booked two rooms in a hotel in chicago overlooking the park where lollapalooza was playing in august, so that casts serious doubt on the "i hate las vegas" or "i hate republicans" theories. no proof that he was considering going psycho then, but it's a reasonable assumption

also ISIS claimed he was radicalized 6 months ago, which happens to be the last time his brother was in contact with him

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i could explain further, but i would just be plagiarizing her. are you "disappointed" with the NYTimes journalist covering ISIS for not rejecting the idea that he was radicalized?

the ISIS reporter for the fucking New York Times.

did i mention she covers ISIS for the NYTimes?

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He is probably visibly shaking at the thought of it not being just some random white guy right winger gun nut, and instead another Islamic terrorist action.

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Can you link to the post where I call him a "right winger"?

It sure is easier to argue with the pretend me that you've made up in your head.

HOLY SHIT BLAKE WAS RIGHT






CASE CLOSED.

I keep thinking of that image on their little newsletter of the Mandalay Bay covered in blood. That is a strong statement IMO. Could have easily just said "yeah we did it" and let it ride, but they went the extra mile and are risking serious credibility if it comes out they are lying by doing that.

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ISIS's newsletter also said the guy converted and adopted the name Al-Amriki ("the American"), and that the US government's suppressing the truth about his conversion.

breitbart's got a little more info up about it

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Callimachi, who has pointed out that ISIS rarely made completely false claims of responsibility for attacks until fairly recently, reports that Islamic State supporters are using the bombing of a Russian airliner over Egypt as an example of an ISIS attack that was initially denied by the authorities. They also accuse American police and media of conspiring to hide the “martyrdom” of Paddock by suppressing his connection to the Islamic State.

Some eyebrows were raised on Tuesday when Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo asked at a press conference, “Did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us?” Law enforcement agencies state they have not yet uncovered any evidence to suggest the Las Vegas killer was connected to international terrorism.

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http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...der-caliphate/

does ISIS have a tendency to lie about these things? i can see why they would, but i can also see it being embarrassing for ISIS if they claim he was an ISIS soldier, when a few days later it comes out that he wasn't (like if he made a video confession a few days earlier or something).

i'm *officially* leaning to this being ISIS-related

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I agree with you most of your posts, but this is a

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Can't we all just get along

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ISIS's newsletter also said the guy converted and adopted the name Al-Amriki ("the American"), and that the US government's suppressing the truth about his conversion.

breitbart's got a little more info up about it



http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...der-caliphate/

does ISIS have a tendency to lie about these things? i can see why they would, but i can also see it being embarrassing for ISIS if they claim he was an ISIS soldier, when a few days later it comes out that he wasn't (like if he made a video confession a few days earlier or something).

i'm *officially* leaning to this being ISIS-related

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I agree with you most of your posts, but this is a

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Did you actually read the twitter thread from the NY Times reporter, or just see a BreitBart link and think zomg right wing nutjob conspiracy theorists? I'm betting the latter.

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I agree with you most of your posts, but this is a

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Did you actually read the twitter thread from the NY Times reporter, or just see a BreitBart link and think zomg right wing nutjob conspiracy theorists? I'm betting the latter.

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the second i realized i gave the incorrect impression that this came from breitbart, and did not accurately credit the NYTimes reporter (even though LOTF made that clear in his post), i knew i would get this response from every liberal on this site.

Two things: Gee, big shocker that ISIS would risk their stellar truth track record and try to take responsibility for the biggest mass shooting in American history. SHOCKING!!!!!

If he was a jihadist, why wouldn't he make that very obvious? That's the fucking point, not just to kill people.

I've read and seen a lot of really stupid shit the last couple of days, but this believing ISIS angle because of some NY Times reporter who covers ISIS takes the cake. Actually its probably runner up to the pics of the supposed 4th floor windows broken out that were on the I15 side of the building, which was the opposite side of the building. Saw that on FB yesterday.

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ISIS's newsletter also said the guy converted and adopted the name Al-Amriki ("the American"), and that the US government's suppressing the truth about his conversion.

breitbart's got a little more info up about it



http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...der-caliphate/

does ISIS have a tendency to lie about these things? i can see why they would, but i can also see it being embarrassing for ISIS if they claim he was an ISIS soldier, when a few days later it comes out that he wasn't (like if he made a video confession a few days earlier or something).

i'm *officially* leaning to this being ISIS-related

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I agree with you most of your posts, but this is a

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please re-read the last few pages, but this time ignore the reference to breitbart and realize that the person i am agreeing with is the NYTimes reporter covering ISIS, who is also a contributor at NBC and was a Bureau Chief for the AP in West Africa.

she is literally the reporter other newspapers (such as USA Today) went to in order to debunk the Vegas shooter being radicalized theory

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I agree with you most of your posts, but this is a

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please re-read the last few pages, but this time ignore the reference to breitbart and realize that the person i am agreeing with is the NYTimes reporter covering ISIS, who is also a contributor at NBC and was a Bureau Chief for the AP in West Africa.

she is literally the reporter other newspapers (such as USA Today) went to in order to debunk the Vegas shooter being radicalized theory

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Honestly Brietbart didn't even register with me. I read the tweets as being from a NY Times reporter.

Please stop before you embarrass yourself any further. You do realize the only person siding with you here is NBH, right?

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Two things: Gee, big shocker that ISIS would risk their stellar truth track record and try to take responsibility for the biggest mass shooting in American history. SHOCKING!!!!!

If he was a jihadist, why wouldn't he make that very obvious? That's the fucking point, not just to kill people.

I've read and seen a lot of really stupid shit the last couple of days, but this believing ISIS angle because of some NY Times reporter who covers ISIS takes the cake. Actually its probably runner up to the pics of the supposed 4th floor windows broken out that were on the I15 side of the building, which was the opposite side of the building. Saw that on FB yesterday.

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how exactly would he do that? a pre-made video recording setting forth his reasoning? terrorist organizations often claim responsibility for attacks (like bin laden and 9/11 for example). they don't come from the attackers themselves.

and you suggesting that i believe the ISIS angle "because of some NY Times reporter" is pretty fucking shallow

i don't necessarily believe that it was ISIS-related, but think it can't be ruled out.

even the NY Times reporter didn't say she believes it was ISIS, she provided facts and data supporting her belief that it is *possible*. what part of her argument are you rejecting or did you not read it?

blake ur forgetting to factor in the fact shes a lol woman though

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please re-read the last few pages, but this time ignore the reference to breitbart and realize that the person i am agreeing with is the NYTimes reporter covering ISIS, who is also a contributor at NBC and was a Bureau Chief for the AP in West Africa.

she is literally the reporter other newspapers (such as USA Today) went to in order to debunk the Vegas shooter being radicalized theory

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Honestly Brietbart didn't even register with me. I read the tweets as being from a NY Times reporter.

Please stop before you embarrass yourself any further. You do realize the only person siding with you here is NBH, right?

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i have not even begun to embarrass myself. but seriously, personal attacks now? you're not even trying to make arguments?

and i did consider the NBH thing, but LOTF also agrees so i'm not completely nuts

vegas1369: Not even going to debate this utter crap. No hard feelings.


god you are a complete douche

trump fans, is this what i sound like 99% of the time? seriously how do you put up with me

BLAKE SO RADICALIZED BY BREITBART YALL

Let's be honest, if this guy was ISIS affiliated, POTUS would've blabbed about it as soon as he was briefed on it.

i apologize for my outburst

as gare and dish can attest, i started winston, evans, D-Jax, Humphries and Dwayne Allen in fantasy this week, and after tonight's game, my weekend is already ruined.