You can see it on Terrence's twitterQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You can see it on Terrence's twitterQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Cool Ty ivy
A rep from the site on 2+2 said they're working on hand history functionality for pokertracker4 and I believe he said HUDs will be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009In reading through the terms of service agreement....no data mining, poker tracker software will be allowed on the siteQuote:
Originally Posted by CoolAssBro
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
That seems to make it pretty easy for people outside the state to play. Throw a laptop on your buddies network (who lives in NV) use gotomypc to login and it is as if you are physically in the state.
Need a cell phone there too. They track your cell phoneQuote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
That seems to make it pretty easy for people outside the state to play. Throw a laptop on your buddies network (who lives in NV) use gotomypc to login and it is as if you are physically in the state.
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Originally Posted by chinamaniacNeed a cell phone there too. They track your cell phoneQuote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
They actually verify it is a cell phone? Seems as if you could just get a 702 number from ring central or Skype for 10 bucks and that would do the trick.
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Originally Posted by PLOL
I was thinking the exact thing. BAD DESICION!
You may have a point. But why would you take any chance in the UB association by name. It’s like a deep seeded physiological thing. It definitely can’t help.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantiumPlease tell us how it could hurt?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLOL
The pimple faced nerds at 2+2 knows its got nothing to do with UB and the rest of the normal population doesnt know about the ub scandal or doesnt give a flying fuck about it
Adamantiun is totally right imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt The RatYou may have a point. But why would you take any chance in the UB association by name. It’s like a deep seeded physiological thing. It definitely can’t help.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
Connecting it with the Ultimate Fighting Champsionship has way more upside imo. It would be different if the UFC wasnt the monster it is, but people will quickly connect this new poker site with UFC. It allows the UFC to more effectively promote it in unison with everything else they are doing. If the UFC was promoting this poker site under a different name, people would think it was just some poker site that sponsors the UFC, which ironically, would probably give it less credibility as a safe place to play. This name to me says "The UFC and Nevada is behind this shit and we are worth billions so your money is safe. We arent some shaddy offshore site"
Besides hardcore investigators, no one will be talking about the UB scandal in a year. Shit, no one is barely talking about it now
^ cmoney is GOD.
Making bad decisions already. Guess we'll go back to the old days when the sites let the pros obliterate the fish and kill the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionA rep from the site on 2+2 said they're working on hand history functionality for pokertracker4 and I believe he said HUDs will be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009
I went to stations made a deposit and played tonight. The software is horrible IMO. They have a ton of improvements to make. Also the tables are all 50bb max buyin. UP has a long way to go.
Two enthusiastic thumbs down
What the hell are you expecting on the first day of a new poker site only to Nevada residents? Pokerstars?????Quote:
Originally Posted by CoolAssBro
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It has been rather hilarious reading some of the dissappointments and expectations of a launchQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerWhat the hell are you expecting on the first day of a new poker site only to Nevada residents? Pokerstars?????Quote:
Originally Posted by CoolAssBro
:doublefacepalm
Exactly! I get the disappointment in regards to trouble signing up for Nevada residents but all the other stuff is LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacIt has been rather hilarious reading some of the dissappointments and expectations of a launchQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
It's one day in and people are asking about HUDs, HU Tables, PLO, Mixed Games,etc... Many new things will come out over time I'm sure but these owners shouldn't be bombarded with requests of why this or that isn't on the site yet but instead given suggestions to improve the software or rake.
People are too spoiled by Pokerstars and Full Tilt of the past but they just have to understand many of their implementations were added over years and this new site Ultimate Poker needs time.
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Originally Posted by PLOLMaking bad decisions already. Guess we'll go back to the old days when the sites let the pros obliterate the fish and kill the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Action
Bad to outlaw huds - people can just make their own hud and the people following the rule get hurt.
What they should do imo is what bodog has always done. Make a 3 or 4 table max so that pros cant sit on 12 tables.
barryg would like to tap thatQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
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Originally Posted by CorriganQuote:
Originally Posted by PLOL
Bad to outlaw huds - people can just make their own hud and the people following the rule get hurt.
What they should do imo is what bodog has always done. Make a 3 or 4 table max so that pros cant sit on 12 tables.
A certain standard has already been set. I realize it is the first day and many improvements wil be made. I was just giving my honest opinion of the site at this moment. If it was great I would have said so. Don't really see the problem with critiquing the site in its current state. I just figured I would give an update, knowing that many users cannot play from their current location and are probably curious. Yesterday was a great day for all online poker players, no doubt about that. Voicing complaints and concerns will be one way the site can grow and improve. Would it be better not to say anything?
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Originally Posted by CorriganQuote:
Originally Posted by PLOL
Bad to outlaw huds - people can just make their own hud and the people following the rule get hurt.
What they should do imo is what bodog has always done. Make a 3 or 4 table max so that pros cant sit on 12 tables.
A lot of these well-intentioned rules end up hurting those willing to follow and help those willing to break them.
Totally agree that there should be a 4-table max.
It looks terrible (especially to fish) when you open up a lobby and there are like 50 tables with 1 player sitting at all of them.
listening to radio last night and the owners of ufc owns station casino... thats why the last 10 or so ufc fights there ultimatepoker.com ads on the ring
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Originally Posted by kmksmkn
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Originally Posted by ActionA rep from the site on 2+2 said they're working on hand history functionality for pokertracker4 and I believe he said HUDs will be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009
Here is the pertinent info in the TOC regarding poker tracking software or home made HUD and the like......again you know as well as I do that there will be idiots who decide "the rules don't apply to me" and will try to skirt them, they will get their accts closed, and you will see threads pop up everywhere stating "Ultimate poker closed my acct for no reason"
6.8. Unethical External Assistance. Players are prohibited from utilizing an external resource which is designed to provide the Player with an unfair advantage over other players.
6.8.1. These external resources include third-party software applications and databases as well as websites, web-based databases, subscriptions services and the assistance of any other person regardless of whether or not that person is also a Player.
6.8.2. Management defines "unfair advantage" to mean the obtaining and/or compilation of any information about other players other than that which the Player has personally observed through Player's own gaming activity.
6.8.3. Furthermore, the Player agrees to allow Management to actively pursue the detection and prevention of Unethical External Assistance including, but not limited to, the identification and reporting of software applications running concurrently with the Software or Websites.
also rule 6.8.3 will aid in the detection of sites like "GoToMyPC" and other remote software applications so my suggestion Is that if you really want to play on the site just move the fuck to las vegas and not fuck it up for the rest of us
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Originally Posted by lvpkr1009Quote:
Originally Posted by Action
Here is the pertinent info in the TOC regarding poker tracking software or home made HUD and the like......again you know as well as I do that there will be idiots who decide "the rules don't apply to me" and will try to skirt them, they will get their accts closed, and you will see threads pop up everywhere stating "Ultimate poker closed my acct for no reason"
6.8. Unethical External Assistance. Players are prohibited from utilizing an external resource which is designed to provide the Player with an unfair advantage over other players.
6.8.1. These external resources include third-party software applications and databases as well as websites, web-based databases, subscriptions services and the assistance of any other person regardless of whether or not that person is also a Player.
6.8.2. Management defines "unfair advantage" to mean the obtaining and/or compilation of any information about other players other than that which the Player has personally observed through Player's own gaming activity.
6.8.3. Furthermore, the Player agrees to allow Management to actively pursue the detection and prevention of Unethical External Assistance including, but not limited to, the identification and reporting of software applications running concurrently with the Software or Websites.
also rule 6.8.3 will aid in the detection of sites like "GoToMyPC" and other remote software applications so my suggestion Is that if you really want to play on the site just move the fuck to las vegas and not fuck it up for the rest of us
I can see this coming already....people bitch and moan all this time about there being no legal online poker any longer, argue for states or feds to pass some kind of bill, bills finally get passed, sites finally get opened and people fuck it up, people go back to bitching about there being no legal online poker
This is great. I always got a chuckle out of how offshore sites refused this.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009Quote:
Originally Posted by Action
Here is the pertinent info in the TOC regarding poker tracking software or home made HUD and the like......again you know as well as I do that there will be idiots who decide "the rules don't apply to me" and will try to skirt them, they will get their accts closed, and you will see threads pop up everywhere stating "Ultimate poker closed my acct for no reason"
6.8. Unethical External Assistance. Players are prohibited from utilizing an external resource which is designed to provide the Player with an unfair advantage over other players.
6.8.1. These external resources include third-party software applications and databases as well as websites, web-based databases, subscriptions services and the assistance of any other person regardless of whether or not that person is also a Player.
Ghosting
6.8.2. Management defines "unfair advantage" to mean the obtaining and/or compilation of any information about other players other than that which the Player has personally observed through Player's own gaming activity.
6.8.3. Furthermore, the Player agrees to allow Management to actively pursue the detection and prevention of Unethical External Assistance including, but not limited to, the identification and reporting of software applications running concurrently with the Software or Websites.
This was obvious it was coming. I think some of this basically covers all the garbage that ruined online poker. Ghosting/HUD/Software/Bots/Datatmining etc... Pretty much all covered, right there.
Some may be looking for a new job soon after you factor in no rakeback or affiliate deals.
Here's another REALLY interesting thing in the TOC IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by garrettThis is great. I always got a chuckle out of how offshore sites refused this.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009
This was obvious it was coming. I think some of this basically covers all the garbage that ruined online poker. Ghosting/HUD/Software/Bots/Datatmining etc... Pretty much all covered, right there.
Some may be looking for a new job soon after you factor in no rakeback or affiliate deals.
4.16.2. We reserve the right to disclose your personal data to third parties including government institutions, or police authorities, regulators and other governing bodies or competent authorities when such data is requested or required in order to comply with any applicable law, regulation, legal process, governmental request and/or judicial order.
I think that this clearly shows that they will turn your ass in to the police if you break the rules/laws/regulations just as they would if you were in their casino playing and did something illegal. I think that some people will find it a rude awakening when they figure out that playing on Ultimate Poker is no different than playing in the casino because it will be considered an extension of the B&M casino
They also have several references to the use of BOTS/sharing accts/selling accts so ya I think people will be sorely disappointed if they think they will be able to just get tons of rakeback and have it be like the old days.
If people violate these rules, it won't fuck it up for everyone. The violators will just get kicked off the sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009Quote:
Originally Posted by Action
Here is the pertinent info in the TOC regarding poker tracking software or home made HUD and the like......again you know as well as I do that there will be idiots who decide "the rules don't apply to me" and will try to skirt them, they will get their accts closed, and you will see threads pop up everywhere stating "Ultimate poker closed my acct for no reason"
6.8. Unethical External Assistance. Players are prohibited from utilizing an external resource which is designed to provide the Player with an unfair advantage over other players.
6.8.1. These external resources include third-party software applications and databases as well as websites, web-based databases, subscriptions services and the assistance of any other person regardless of whether or not that person is also a Player.
6.8.2. Management defines "unfair advantage" to mean the obtaining and/or compilation of any information about other players other than that which the Player has personally observed through Player's own gaming activity.
6.8.3. Furthermore, the Player agrees to allow Management to actively pursue the detection and prevention of Unethical External Assistance including, but not limited to, the identification and reporting of software applications running concurrently with the Software or Websites.
also rule 6.8.3 will aid in the detection of sites like "GoToMyPC" and other remote software applications so my suggestion Is that if you really want to play on the site just move the fuck to las vegas and not fuck it up for the rest of us
It will only cause an issue if there is a mass number of people falsifying their location and this creates a legal concern for the federal government, regarding these rooms opening up the door to illegal interstate online gambling.
This is a good point, and I discussed it to some degree on radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009Here's another REALLY interesting thing in the TOC IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by garrett
4.16.2. We reserve the right to disclose your personal data to third parties including government institutions, or police authorities, regulators and other governing bodies or competent authorities when such data is requested or required in order to comply with any applicable law, regulation, legal process, governmental request and/or judicial order.
I think that this clearly shows that they will turn your ass in to the police if you break the rules/laws/regulations just as they would if you were in their casino playing and did something illegal. I think that some people will find it a rude awakening when they figure out that playing on Ultimate Poker is no different than playing in the casino because it will be considered an extension of the B&M casino
They also have several references to the use of BOTS/sharing accts/selling accts so ya I think people will be sorely disappointed if they think they will be able to just get tons of rakeback and have it be like the old days.
Some people are used to cheating on these sites and getting away with it, or at worst having their accounts closed. These same people might be in for a shock when they get arrested for the same activities on these new, regulated sites.
At the same time, a lot of stuff in the TOS is just legal ass-covering, and in reality a lot of these things may never be enforced.
They will, however, be reporting all of your winnings to the IRS. Count on that.
BTW, I shot them an e-mail to ask about the methodology they use to verify your Nevada location, and I got this response:
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Hi Todd
At this time, we can only verify your location if you have one of the following mobile providers:
- ATT
- T-Mobile
- Sprint
Part of the verification process is for us to be able to confirm that you are within Nevada borders. If you are with a cellular provider not mentioned above, our system currently does not support their devices for geo-location. We are working on expanding our network and should be adding new carriers in the near future.
If you do have one of the 3 listed providers above please read on.
If the problem is that you haven't yet received an SMS/text message from us, you can simply text the word "YES" to UPOKER (876537). If you receive a response, you should be good to go. If you're still experiencing troubles, read on:
For players on Verizon: We're working with Verizon as we speak to try to get their technical issue resolved. We're in contact with them every day and we do feel we're close to a solution.
For players on AT&T, T-Mobile or Sprint: We understand that some players with LTE-enabled phones are also receiving an error that we are unable to locate them in Nevada. Disabling LTE on your phone and logging in again should alleviate this problem.
For instructions on how to disable LTE on an iPhone 5: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09...-the-iphone-5/
For instructions on how to disable LTE on a Samsung Galaxy: http://forum.radioshack.wdsserve.com...-LTE/m-p/57790
Please don't hesitate to e-mail us at playercare@ultimatepoker.com if you require further assistance on this or any other issue.
Thanks Todd,
Craig M.
Player Care Ace
Ultimate Poker
I highly doubt that small group of cheaters will have any effect on the overall game. Too much revenue at stake. What may be surprising to some, is how aggressive everyone with skin in the game go after them. What will most likely happen is they will be made an example of. And you never want to be THAT guy. They sometimes get hard, hard time just to prove an overall point to others thinking about trying the same thing. Some inevitably today, are already thinking in 2013 they are smarter than and more sophisticated than big, big Casinos with lots of force to have people prosecuted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffIf people violate these rules, it won't fuck it up for everyone. The violators will just get kicked off the sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009
It will only cause an issue if there is a mass number of people falsifying their location and this creates a legal concern for the federal government, regarding these rooms opening up the door to illegal interstate online gambling.
This will be interesting to watch unfold.
Does anyone know if you can qualify for Station casinos 300,000$ live freeroll tournament by playing online at Ultimate poker?
"Player care ace".
That's a strong work title
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Originally Posted by garrettI was honestly trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, having been piled on here myself before. Although after reading this, I am not so sure it is warranted. Here is a problem with that idea, obviously, many people are going to have a hard time understanding in a regulated and legal framework, the days of doing this crap are over. Needless to say if you do this on a real U.S site, you are risking real legal consequences, not to mention possibly being black-listed from the casinos them-self completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi
I would imagine doing so on a Caesers site for example, would be very, very -EV. Something tells me "some" are going to have to learn the hard way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD94dVu8lqQ
Winning players are bad for their business and they will be treated as such. Long term winners will be under scrutiny for cheating. What they want are a bunch of breakeven players and some fish. Keep depositing and they won't bother you, keep withdrawing and you will have trouble.
Why do they care about winning players? With a ton of losing players someones going to be winning. As long as they are getting paid rake what do they care?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
In many cases online sites don't care for big winners but that is because of obstacles people have to go through to put money on (costs the site money too) and the cost of sending money to Americans that they are eating some if not all of in some circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by GingeryWhy do they care about winning players? With a ton of losing players someones going to be winning. As long as they are getting paid rake what do they care?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
For Ultimate Poker a lot of these expenses aren't as much since they aren't dodging the law and they don't have to worry for now about new people not signing up when they will be booming with new customers for a while as long as they can fix various signup issues people are having.
According to Pokerscout, Ultimate Poker has now passed up Seals With Clubs as a bigger poker site in less than 72 hours of launch.
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This is so weird.
They briefly added $20/$40 and I saw Crazy Mike on there playing some guy heads up.
I just looked again and $20/$40 is gone.
:wtf
Apparently Crazy Mike requested it, and they took it away as soon as the game was over.
:gay
http://www.bluff.com/news/jonathan-l...tepoker-42652/
Ultimate Poker signs three new pros Jason Somerville, Jonathan Little, and William Reynolds.
I'd expect bigger names to sign with WSOP obv..
I'm not sure whats worse claiming these things are what ruined online poker or the fact you lump completely legal things with illegal stuff. Huds were legal and the only people who complain about them are the 2 tabling fish that dont understand how to use them correctly. If a site wants you to multitable you need to be able to have a hud. Thats almost like saying in a live environment you cant look at the other player during the hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrettThis is great. I always got a chuckle out of how offshore sites refused this.Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpkr1009
This was obvious it was coming. I think some of this basically covers all the garbage that ruined online poker. Ghosting/HUD/Software/Bots/Datatmining etc... Pretty much all covered, right there.
Some may be looking for a new job soon after you factor in no rakeback or affiliate deals.