I was robbed by a local company for 2700. Whats my best move?

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Originally Posted by 4BET

The website idea seems like a great one but this guy seems to have dug his heels in and ready to fight tooth and nail. Everyone I have talked to about this other well companies included can’t believe he won’t give back deposit. We are busy and really didn’t want to have to sue this crook but he leaves us no choice. My better half surly didn’t want to go this route as she has never even had a parking ticket or been in court other then jury duty

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I would do the same thing. Definitely file in small claims court. The only problem in small claims is that the judges tend to just rule on emotion rather than law, but if you present this well, the optics will be on your side.

Since the judge won't understand the well digging industry well, be sure to be very clear that the company was supposed to be the experts, missed an obvious requirement they should have known about, misquoted you, raised the price by over 100%, and wouldn't give you your deposit back when you didn't want to go with them. Definitely also throw in your suspicion that they did this on purpose in order to rope you in to an $11k job. Use the term "bait and switch".

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Thanks. I can use all the advice you are giving. Should I hire a lawyer? If so can I add that on the amount of lawsuit? I would like to have a lawyer do all the talking if possible. I can pass along the good things you are pointing out

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Originally Posted by 4BET

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I would do the same thing. Definitely file in small claims court. The only problem in small claims is that the judges tend to just rule on emotion rather than law, but if you present this well, the optics will be on your side.

Since the judge won't understand the well digging industry well, be sure to be very clear that the company was supposed to be the experts, missed an obvious requirement they should have known about, misquoted you, raised the price by over 100%, and wouldn't give you your deposit back when you didn't want to go with them. Definitely also throw in your suspicion that they did this on purpose in order to rope you in to an $11k job. Use the term "bait and switch".

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Thanks. I can use all the advice you are giving. Should I hire a lawyer? If so can I add that on the amount of lawsuit? I would like to have a lawyer do all the talking if possible. I can pass along the good things you are pointing out

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Tell them you want the original well drilled and when they refuse tell them they are breaking contract and you want your deposit refunded. Stop being so thick.

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Originally Posted by 4BET

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Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker

agree with this get a few other quotes and see how close they are to the 11k but in general extra work equals extra cost to you. there kinda jerks to not offer your deposit back altho you haven't said if they had done something to justify the hold back.

at some point a "estimate" changed to a "Quote" and changed the dynamics and relationship between contractors and their customers.

when you were informed the extra work would be needed (after initial quote you it would be unreasonable to expect the quote would stand) given the new information.

I almost never do projects on a quoted price unless it is a fairly simple task. cost plus materials is the better fair way of doing business IMO.

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Yes I understand that it would cost more given health department requirements. The question here is are they allowed by law to keep deposit given new price of 11k? Contract does say no refunds on deposit but it also says 5400 for well.

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Lawyer. You’ll probably win but will also lose financially. In three years set fire to there site…….just kidding kinda

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Originally Posted by FR1GHT

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Originally Posted by 4BET

Thanks. I can use all the advice you are giving. Should I hire a lawyer? If so can I add that on the amount of lawsuit? I would like to have a lawyer do all the talking if possible. I can pass along the good things you are pointing out

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Tell them you want the original well drilled and when they refuse tell them they are breaking contract and you want your deposit refunded. Stop being so thick.

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That’s pretty good

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Originally Posted by FR1GHT

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Originally Posted by 4BET

Thanks. I can use all the advice you are giving. Should I hire a lawyer? If so can I add that on the amount of lawsuit? I would like to have a lawyer do all the talking if possible. I can pass along the good things you are pointing out

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Tell them you want the original well drilled and when they refuse tell them they are breaking contract and you want your deposit refunded. Stop being so thick.

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They can’t drill regular well, They are aware of the health department requirements. Plus they won’t talk to me. The owner is ducking me and they have a white trash low life bitch running the office. She is real low end. She thinks you can steal 2700 and the victim will just go away. I told that bitch and the owner they will never get away with this

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Originally Posted by 4BET

Yes I understand that it would cost more given health department requirements. The question here is are they allowed by law to keep deposit given new price of 11k? Contract does say no refunds on deposit but it also says 5400 for well.

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Lawyer. You’ll probably win but will also lose financially. In three years set fire to there site…….just kidding kinda

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I was with you tell you said just kidding. Hehe

so were going no on you living in the parking lot and tanking their yelp pizza reviews, did you inform them you have a 2003 corvette with a custom license plate

I just ask google about the lawyer. I can’t add lawyer fees to the amount. Looks like we will go it alone. No lawyer but I still might check some prices for a lawyer. Although I am not a Jew I often feel like I am. At times I want to check deep in family tree must be a Jew in there somewhere

depending on how you paid them, your bank or credit card company may well be willing to help you out on something like this. They're lousy with lawyers who need something to do.

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so were going no on you living in the parking lot and tanking their yelp pizza reviews, did you inform them you have a 2003 corvette with a custom license plate

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Correct no on living in the parking lot. You must have missed it. Vette was traded in for a new 2016 vette with regular license plate. Then that was traded in for 2018 Toyota. I do feel the need for speed again but no new vetts available atm because GM are idiots

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depending on how you paid them, your bank or credit card company may well be willing to help you out on something like this. They're lousy with lawyers who need something to do.

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Paid with C.C for just this reason. Just received letter today and the assholes said contract is valid. We have been waiting weeks for the bank to charge this back. Still will call the bank Monday morning and let them explain how this is valid, They have did zero work and over doubled the price. Which is why we have to go the small claims route.

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I just ask google about the lawyer. I can’t add lawyer fees to the amount. Looks like we will go it alone. No lawyer but I still might check some prices for a lawyer. Although I am not a Jew I often feel like I am. At times I want to check deep in family tree must be a Jew in there somewhere

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Correct. You need to take this to small claims.

You don't hire lawyers when suing for $2700, unless you are actually willing to burn more money than you win, in order to get back at the other guy.

If you want to walk away with $, you use small claims for something like this.

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Originally Posted by 4BET

I just ask google about the lawyer. I can’t add lawyer fees to the amount. Looks like we will go it alone. No lawyer but I still might check some prices for a lawyer. Although I am not a Jew I often feel like I am. At times I want to check deep in family tree must be a Jew in there somewhere

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Correct. You need to take this to small claims.

You don't hire lawyers when suing for $2700, unless you are actually willing to burn more money than you win, in order to get back at the other guy.

If you want to walk away with $, you use small claims for something like this.

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Ok looks like we will be at the courthouse filing Monday morning. Can’t let this guy get away with this. We have 3 places sitting empty that need work so we can rent them. Last thing we needed was this BS. Really we should be able to add on for all the lost time and headache this has already caused.

Have you gotten quotes from other companies for the new well done correctly? If it’s close to the $11,000 then just have the original company do it and move on.

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

Have you gotten quotes from other companies for the new well done correctly? If it’s close to the $11,000 then just have the original company do it and move on.

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I am hearing it is close to 11k. Problem is owner was supposed to call 3 weeks ago to work it out and never did.We are past the point of return now

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Originally Posted by 4BET

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Have you gotten quotes from other companies for the new well done correctly? If it’s close to the $11,000 then just have the original company do it and move on.

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I am hearing it is close to 11k. Problem is owner was supposed to call 3 weeks ago to work it out and never did.We are past the point of return now

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That fact makes it 1000% you’ll win in court. You want them to complete the work and they won’t.

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Originally Posted by 4BET

We signed a contract with a local company to have a new well drilled for 5400. We put deposit of 2700 down. Health department came back with special requirements for well because we don’t have the required 75 feet setback from septic tank. So well company raised the price to 11,000. I told them to pound sand and refund deposit. They told me no refunds which is stated in contract. Is this illegal? We didn’t cancel 5400 well as contract states. We canceled 11,000 well. According to them they can raise price to whatever they want if you don’t like it they steal deposit.

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Invest in a shady crypto

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I am hearing it is close to 11k. Problem is owner was supposed to call 3 weeks ago to work it out and never did.We are past the point of return now

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That fact makes it 1000% you’ll win in court. You want them to complete the work and they won’t.

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They never started the work to begin with. Once we checked into how much a well like this costs we were not against paying them a big number to do the job but owner lied about calling us to work this out and blocked our phone numbers. The thing is like Druff pointed out they knew from the beginning we didn’t have the required setback and should have never priced well at 5400. The place is all remodeled and been ready to rent for months except no water, So we have no choice but to pay a company whatever it costs

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We signed a contract with a local company to have a new well drilled for 5400. We put deposit of 2700 down. Health department came back with special requirements for well because we don’t have the required 75 feet setback from septic tank. So well company raised the price to 11,000. I told them to pound sand and refund deposit. They told me no refunds which is stated in contract. Is this illegal? We didn’t cancel 5400 well as contract states. We canceled 11,000 well. According to them they can raise price to whatever they want if you don’t like it they steal deposit.

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Not even about the money at this point. Honestly the 2700 won’t change our life’s for a second win or lose. Not bragging but in reality it means nothing. The fact this low life robbed us keeps me up at night. The fact this company can continue to cheat and steal from other customers hiding behind that garbage contract makes me want to expose them and get the word out.

Yeah honestly the biggest fail on their part was fucking up the original quote despite being the supposed experts in well drilling.

So basically they gave you a quote which was 50% too low because of this fuckup, got you to agree to it and give a deposit, and they don't want to let you out of it because the job is far more than they originally quoted due to their own oversight. I can't see that standing up in court.

You might even have a case regarding forcing them to do the job for $5400 instead of $11k, but you probably don't want to compel them to the job while resenting you. But LOL at thinking they can keep their deposit over this.

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Yeah honestly the biggest fail on their part was fucking up the original quote despite being the supposed experts in well drilling.

So basically they gave you a quote which was 50% too low because of this fuckup, got you to agree to it and give a deposit, and they don't want to let you out of it because the job is far more than they originally quoted due to their own oversight. I can't see that standing up in court.

You might even have a case regarding forcing them to do the job for $5400 instead of $11k, but you probably don't want to compel them to the job while resenting you. But LOL at thinking they can keep their deposit over this.

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Hopefully the judge sees it this way. You would think if the judge has common sense he will see through their BS. We could never trust them to do the well at this point regardless of price

Lol at everyone playing lawyer.

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Lol at everyone playing lawyer.

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Kk we all know you’re a $500 hr mouth piece. We are all waiting for your professional opinion, I think druff has some good ideas. Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker

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Lol at everyone playing lawyer.

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Kk we all know you’re a $500 hr mouth piece. We are all waiting for your professional opinion, I think druff has some good ideas. Any thoughts?

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First. I’d need to know what state your in. Then, I’d have to read the entire contract. Post it here and I’ll give you my opinion. BTW, I’m only a $300 an hour lawyer, but I would charge five if I could get it!

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Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker

Kk we all know you’re a $500 hr mouth piece. We are all waiting for your professional opinion, I think druff has some good ideas. Any thoughts?

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First. I’d need to know what state your in. Then, I’d have to read the entire contract. Post it here and I’ll give you my opinion. BTW, I’m only a $300 an hour lawyer, but I would charge five if I could get it!

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It's not Baron's situation. This happened to 4BET, who lives in Florida.

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Kk we all know you’re a $500 hr mouth piece. We are all waiting for your professional opinion, I think druff has some good ideas. Any thoughts?

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First. I’d need to know what state your in. Then, I’d have to read the entire contract. Post it here and I’ll give you my opinion. BTW, I’m only a $300 an hour lawyer, but I would charge five if I could get it!

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First. I’d need to know what state your in. Then, I’d have to read the entire contract. Post it here and I’ll give you my opinion. BTW, I’m only a $300 an hour lawyer, but I would charge five if I could get it!

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It's not Baron's situation. This happened to 4BET, who lives in Florida.

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If you have time Druff I dont mind you posting contract here minus names and address. I had someone else pm requesting to see it. I would but probably would take me hours to figure out how to block personal information. We filed case this morning. Now we have to wait for summons and take it to the sheriff at courthouse to have the lowlife served.

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Kk we all know you’re a $500 hr mouth piece. We are all waiting for your professional opinion, I think druff has some good ideas. Any thoughts?

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First. I’d need to know what state your in. Then, I’d have to read the entire contract. Post it here and I’ll give you my opinion. BTW, I’m only a $300 an hour lawyer, but I would charge five if I could get it!

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dude that's pretty cool of you, check with 4bet... $300 is a decent fare my lawyer is 600 but she gets her lakies to do a lot of the mundane paper work stuff for better price.
I always say 30% increase in price is good even if you loose 10% customers, less work for more money.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. If you don't want to waste money on a lawyer, which is probably the way to go or if you lose the case then take the "revenge is a dish best served cold" route.

Cold in this case means lots of patience. Maybe a year, maybe three depending how bold you are. Plenty of ways to cost this guy some serious dollars.

Pm me if you are unfamiliar

A weird turn of events happened this morning. Our Bank C.C was credited 2700 this morning. This is weird because Saturday we received a letter from the bank saying contract is valid and for us to go pound sand. Which is why I started the thread Saturday and filled law suit Monday morning. We just talked to the bank and they said it’s ruled in our favor but vendor has 30 days to contest. So it’s not yet final. I guess we will have to let the lawsuit keep going and about the time they are thinking of contesting the sheriff will be hitting them with a summons.

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A weird turn of events happened this morning. Our Bank C.C was credited 2700 this morning. This is weird because Saturday we received a letter from the bank saying contract is valid and for us to go pound sand. Which is why I started the thread Saturday and filled law suit Monday morning. We just talked to the bank and they said it’s ruled in our favor but vendor has 30 days to contest. So it’s not yet final. I guess we will have to let the lawsuit keep going and about the time they are thinking of contesting the sheriff will be hitting them with a summons.

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I've never seen this before. Was the letter on Saturday stating that it was ruled against you, or simply that they determined that the contract was valid, but were still working on it?

I agree you shouldn't drop the lawsuit until the 30 days pass and it stays final.

Small companies are harder to beat than larger ones in CC disputes, because the small companies will tend to take time to respond. The large ones are often bogged down in bureaucracy and the 30 days go by without them contesting. For example, one time an airline was super slow giving refunds and wouldn't send me back $120 they admitted they owed me. I was told it would be 12 weeks wait, which was lol. Why should they keep my money for 3 months because they're being cheap on staffing? So I did a chargeback, of course they faliled to respond, and I won by default. Then the airline didn't realize I had charged back, and sent me the $120 anyway, around the 12 week mark, so I got it back twice. Let's just say I didn't run to give it back to them.

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A weird turn of events happened this morning. Our Bank C.C was credited 2700 this morning. This is weird because Saturday we received a letter from the bank saying contract is valid and for us to go pound sand. Which is why I started the thread Saturday and filled law suit Monday morning. We just talked to the bank and they said it’s ruled in our favor but vendor has 30 days to contest. So it’s not yet final. I guess we will have to let the lawsuit keep going and about the time they are thinking of contesting the sheriff will be hitting them with a summons.

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I've never seen this before. Was the letter on Saturday stating that it was ruled against you, or simply that they determined that the contract was valid, but were still working on it?

I agree you shouldn't drop the lawsuit until the 30 days pass and it stays final.

Small companies are harder to beat than larger ones in CC disputes, because the small companies will tend to take time to respond. The large ones are often bogged down in bureaucracy and the 30 days go by without them contesting. For example, one time an airline was super slow giving refunds and wouldn't send me back $120 they admitted they owed me. I was told it would be 12 weeks wait, which was lol. Why should they keep my money for 3 months because they're being cheap on staffing? So I did a chargeback, of course they faliled to respond, and I won by default. Then the airline didn't realize I had charged back, and sent me the $120 anyway, around the 12 week mark, so I got it back twice. Let's just say I didn't run to give it back to them.

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I sent you a copy of letter via text, After just reading letter again I am even more shocked they put the money back, Not Pending it’s on the card available. Seems someone made a mistake here. Can’t be both letter says we are SOL. Yet MONEY BACK this morning

Whatever the final outcome ultimately is, you should rake this fucker through the coals however possible. I wouldn't even care if you got your money back or not. Fuck that motherfucker.

Post that shit wherever you can and make sure it is on the front page of Google results. Make a website, post on review forums...wherever you can. If it were me, my primary job would be to make sure that every human that looked this guy up looking for business, would click first on my ordeal/story and then think twice about doing business with them.

Nobody that pulls shit like that deserves to be in business.

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I've never seen this before. Was the letter on Saturday stating that it was ruled against you, or simply that they determined that the contract was valid, but were still working on it?

I agree you shouldn't drop the lawsuit until the 30 days pass and it stays final.

Small companies are harder to beat than larger ones in CC disputes, because the small companies will tend to take time to respond. The large ones are often bogged down in bureaucracy and the 30 days go by without them contesting. For example, one time an airline was super slow giving refunds and wouldn't send me back $120 they admitted they owed me. I was told it would be 12 weeks wait, which was lol. Why should they keep my money for 3 months because they're being cheap on staffing? So I did a chargeback, of course they faliled to respond, and I won by default. Then the airline didn't realize I had charged back, and sent me the $120 anyway, around the 12 week mark, so I got it back twice. Let's just say I didn't run to give it back to them.

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I sent you a copy of letter via text, After just reading letter again I am even more shocked they put the money back, Not Pending it’s on the card available. Seems someone made a mistake here. Can’t be both letter says we are SOL. Yet MONEY BACK this morning

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Yeah I saw what you sent me.

On strange element about the letter is how their justification for denying you says that the "contract overrides any verbal quotes or promises that are not included in the signed agreement."

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That's actually in your favor! You wanted the contract enforced (doing the job for $5400) or voided, whereas the company wanted a verbal quote of $11,000 to stand as justification for leaving you on the hook for the deposit. Indeed, you were the one who wanted to stick to the contract terms, and they were the ones who were breaking it!

The morons at the bank thought it was the other way around!

Yet, two days later, you got a different letter, claiming your chargeback was upheld, pending a response from the merchant.

So what happened? I think one of a few things occurred:

1) Someone pressed the wrong button and accidentally sent you the wrong form letter. They realized their mistake and sent you the correct one a day later, but it took an extra day to arrive due to Sunday being in between.
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2) There might be a process where a more senior employee reviews a certain percentage of these chargeback decisions, and corrects were they're erroneous. Perhaps this happened the following day, and the decision was reversed upon review by someone with a functioning brain.
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3) Some kind of bug or glitch occurred which turned your iniital denial into an approval.

Verrrrrrrrrry strange.

Never thought when we received that letter telling the bank they are the ones who won’t honor contract. Tell them to honor the contract and do for 5400 then. Although we did keep telling the bank they raised from 5400 to 11k and no work has been done to justify keeping our 2700. We haven’t received 2nd letter yet. We checked online and the 2700 was credited back. Then called the bank when they opened Tuesday. She said we would receive another letter. I will text over the 2nd letter when we receive it.Thanks for posting your thoughts about the letter. All your thoughts about the case have me going in the right direction.

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Whatever the final outcome ultimately is, you should rake this fucker through the coals however possible. I wouldn't even care if you got your money back or not. Fuck that motherfucker.

Post that shit wherever you can and make sure it is on the front page of Google results. Make a website, post on review forums...wherever you can. If it were me, my primary job would be to make sure that every human that looked this guy up looking for business, would click first on my ordeal/story and then think twice about doing business with them.

Nobody that pulls shit like that deserves to be in business.

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Agree Gordman. The fact this low life is putting us through all this BS is very tilting. I would love to do all I can to run this business in the ground. Any business owner worth their weight in salt would have just refunded and moved on or in the early going we were willing to work out the price and have them to do. Owner is a dirt bag who lied about calling us back and blocked our phone numbers.

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Originally Posted by Gordman

Whatever the final outcome ultimately is, you should rake this fucker through the coals however possible. I wouldn't even care if you got your money back or not. Fuck that motherfucker.

Post that shit wherever you can and make sure it is on the front page of Google results. Make a website, post on review forums...wherever you can. If it were me, my primary job would be to make sure that every human that looked this guy up looking for business, would click first on my ordeal/story and then think twice about doing business with them.

Nobody that pulls shit like that deserves to be in business.

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Lol. You’re getting one side of the story and buying it hook, line and sinker. The number one rule of business litigation is everyone is a liar until proven otherwise.

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Whatever the final outcome ultimately is, you should rake this fucker through the coals however possible. I wouldn't even care if you got your money back or not. Fuck that motherfucker.

Post that shit wherever you can and make sure it is on the front page of Google results. Make a website, post on review forums...wherever you can. If it were me, my primary job would be to make sure that every human that looked this guy up looking for business, would click first on my ordeal/story and then think twice about doing business with them.

Nobody that pulls shit like that deserves to be in business.

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Lol. You’re getting one side of the story and buying it hook, line and sinker. The number one rule of business litigation is everyone is a liar until proven otherwise.

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He has the honest side of the story. I am not a lawyer that lies to save some low life from jail. I don’t lie nor do I need to. We live our best life. Your mind is warped. Probably to many courtrooms. Take a vacation bro

I think 4BET is telling the truth. I have seen the contract. While I have no way to independently validate his claim that they now want $11,000 instead of $5400 as stated in the contract, I believe him.

In general, businesses holding your money (especially small businesses) HATE giving it back. It's some kind of weird psycholgoical block, to where handing money back already held is like losing money. In this case, a small family-owned company held $2700 which they thought pretty much guaranteed work going forward, and then the bad news about the required 75-foot setback dropped, and they realized they couldn't complete the work for anywhere near the quoted contracted price. Now they simply don't want to take $2700 back out of their pocket and refund it, because they were counting on keeping it, and now they have to give it back.

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I think 4BET is telling the truth. I have seen the contract. While I have no way to independently validate his claim that they now want $11,000 instead of $5400 as stated in the contract, I believe him.

In general, businesses holding your money (especially small businesses) HATE giving it back. It's some kind of weird psycholgoical block, to where handing money back already held is like losing money. In this case, a small family-owned company held $2700 which they thought pretty much guaranteed work going forward, and then the bad news about the required 75-foot setback dropped, and they realized they couldn't complete the work for anywhere near the quoted contracted price. Now they simply don't want to take $2700 back out of their pocket and refund it, because they were counting on keeping it, and now they have to give it back.

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Was a dumb reply by jay. I have no reason to lie. I wish this mess wasn’t happening but sadly it is. Even more fail by the company that I haven’t posted. Like they lied on the variance to health department. Guy who came out to price the well was his 1st day on the job. Yes all true. Druff I do have owners cell# if you feel like a troll call one day or even to ask him why he did a bait and switch 5400 to 11k