Lets not forget that these looney libtard leftist losers have already stolen cis from math and redefined it as evil white man or something like that when everyone knows that cis(x) = cos(x) + i sin(x)
FUCKING LIBTARDTS!
Lets not forget that these looney libtard leftist losers have already stolen cis from math and redefined it as evil white man or something like that when everyone knows that cis(x) = cos(x) + i sin(x)
FUCKING LIBTARDTS!
Eh, I think I'm okay with this. Universities don't need to be echo chambers. Maybe it's good for students to be exposed to different perspectives, even some of the loonier leftist ones. That's all part of the college experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Yeah. I live in California so liberal experimenting is the concern. You are probably correct that if I lived in a red state the creationism stuff would probably be a bigger problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by SrslySiriusI disagree with you and BlunderMaker that the sky is falling in that regard. It's an issue, but an exaggerated one imo. We have a worse problem with religious fundamentalists on school boards politicizing history and science. My home state is infamous for this. I was taught abstinence-only sex ed and had science teachers making a case for creationism. But even as a kid I saw through that as bullshit, probably because kids' attitudes about these things are more strongly influenced by their parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
Public school has a always been kind of a joke anyway. High school is not very challenging for bright students with serious academic aspirations. They will have to play catch up when they get to college regardless, and I don't see identity politics ever being an issue in higher education STEM departments. If some university churns out engineers that find thermodynamics problematic, Boeing will recruit elsewhere, and other schools will take its place as institutions to be taken seriously.
But they are echo chambers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SrslySiriusEh, I think I'm okay with this. Universities don't need to be echo chambers. Maybe it's good for students to be exposed to different perspectives, even some of the loonier leftist ones. That's all part of the college experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I'm not asking for universities to hire right-wing professors.
I'm asking for public universities to get the politicizing out of their coursework, and to avoid hiring radical professors in general.
I'm a big believer in being able to sign up for what you want.
If you want to pay for an education at a university full of left-wing loony professors, then by all means do so.
But if public funds are involved, you should be able to enroll and not feel the need to parrot back their left wing talking points in order to get a passing grade in certain required classes.
I think it's kind of lame to insulate yourself like that in college, though I don't feel as strongly about it, and could change my view. But if that's a concern, you don't have to get stuck with that sort of overbearing professor. We have resources to avoid that now: http://www.ratemyprofessors.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffBut they are echo chambers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SrslySirius
I'm not asking for universities to hire right-wing professors.
I'm asking for public universities to get the politicizing out of their coursework, and to avoid hiring radical professors in general.
I'm a big believer in being able to sign up for what you want.
If you want to pay for an education at a university full of left-wing loony professors, then by all means do so.
But if public funds are involved, you should be able to enroll and not feel the need to parrot back their left wing talking points in order to get a passing grade in certain required classes.
On the topic of parroting back talking points to get good grades, I was a biology major but I had to take humanities prerequisites like everyone else. I actually found the easiest way to get a good grade on any essay (at that time) was to find some angle to tie in Marxism rhetoric, eg. class struggle, bourgeoisie vs proletariat, etc.
I guess the current version of this to to talk about white privilege, racism, misogyny, etc.
You know what radicalizes professors?
Republicans slashing education funding, discrediting science, and promoting Faith-based everything.
Sites like RateMyProfessor are a nice resource, but sometimes you have no choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SrslySiriusI think it's kind of lame to insulate yourself like that in college, though I don't feel as strongly about it, and could change my view. But if that's a concern, you don't have to get stuck with that sort of overbearing professor. We have resources to avoid that now: http://www.ratemyprofessors.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The reality in college, especially as a freshman, is that often required classes fill up fast, and you are happy to get any space in them at all. In many cases, you don't have the ability to professor shop.
I don't understand what you meant by, "It's kind of lame to insulate yourself like that in college".
I don't want insulation -- just a separation of political activism and education.
I suppose it might be interesting to go to a school which is a mixture of left AND right wing professors, but we know that never happens. At nearly all universities, it leans heavily left. There are a few Christian-type schools which lean right, but I don't think there's a single school where the political activism is essentially equal on both sides of the spectrum.
Honestly, professors should not be expressing their activism through their coursework, unless the student specifically wants to sign up for such a class.
I also feel that the general education requirements in colleges should be done away with anyway. There should be requirements for basic competency in English/writing and mathematics, but beyond that, it should really be about the major and associated coursework. Electrical Engineering students should be forced to take history courses, nor should arts students be required to pass science courses.
The problem is that the university experience today and the original conception of the university experience are very different. Many years ago, universities were attended by relatively few people, and were seen as a place where the scholarly would go to get a complete education. Nowadays, college is primarily attended as a means toward getting a diploma (and/or knowledge) which will open up doors to desired jobs, so these general ed courses are basically a waste of everyone's time and money. Again, if people wish to spend their own money taking such courses, that's great, but they shouldn't be required.
Come on. Now you're just sounding ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
So you think university professors wouldn't be radical if Republicans were just more generous with education funding?
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffCome on. Now you're just sounding ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
So you think university professors wouldn't be radical if Republicans were just more generous with education funding?
I think university professors are, by and large, deeply intelligent. And I think that's something that doesnt really sit well with you, considering the zeal with which they take the knife to a lot of AM talk radio right wing nonsense. Aka your bread and butter.
Also, in regards to funding, it's considered evil by many to want to cut (or refuse to increase) education funding, but the situation is far more complicated than that.
Public schools (both elementary/secondary and college) are, in general, managed poorly when it comes to finances.
Everything is split up by "department", to where some areas are tremendously overfunded (and thus waste occurs), while others are tremendously underfunded. In some cases, this is due to restrictions on the funding itself, but in other cases the school simply allocates poorly, and the bureaucracy makes it nearly impossible to change.
Public institutions, in general, are money pigs. They will keep eating up any money you give them, will do little to cut costs, and then will keep demanding more. If you establish a pattern of giving more funding every time they ask for it, then the problem perpetuates.
I've seen situations in public schools where kids wait 25 minutes to get their lunch because they can't afford to hire a $10/hr lunch lady for 1-2 hours per day, but at the same time, expensive new textbooks are bought for all students to replace the ones bought two years ago. Or beautiful new buildings are constructed on campus when the old ones are functioning just fine.
Or... something I personally experienced in college, when I swiped my meal credit card at a cafeteria, and it turned out their boiler was broken and they couldn't serve me the hot food I paid for. It was prepaid so there was no way to get a refund. When I asked to simply let me go over to the other cafeteria where the boiler was working, I was told, "Sorry, they're on a different budget." When I pointed out that it was a matter of a single $7 meal, the guy actually said, "Yeah, well that's $7 out of our budget, and we're not paying for that."
As long as money given to these schools is mismanaged and over-compartmentalized, Republicans have every right to refuse to increase (or want to cut) funding.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
god, im so sorry... i had no idea... now it all makes sense.
Don't you have universities that have right-wing loony professors? Pay your tuition to one of those. I'm fairly sure that's how capitalism works. Oh and in case you have no such universities or they are all shit then i guess markets have decided.
Logical fallacy part ITT would be faulty generalization. Find a loony that "represents" something and then draw wide conclusions from it. The reason Druff doesn't see a problem with that is because he does it all the time.
I knew you or someone else would come up with something sarcastic in response to that example.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
god, im so sorry... i had no idea... now it all makes sense.
It's something minor, yes, but I experienced it personally, and it's a perfect microcosm of the bigger funding issues going on at universities.
They couldn't let a hungry kid they screwed out of a meal go over to the other cafeteria, because it would mess up their precious budget by $7.
Do you think that was an isolated incident, or do you think that the strict budget-by-department methodology at these schools might be choking some departments while causing needless waste in others?
Public funds pay for the radical left professors at these universities.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
This isn't about capitalism.
I am not saying that anything here "represents" anything else.
Just that it disgusts me to know that these loony professors are being paid with tax dollars, and nothing is ever done about it.
what did you order 4 cheeseburgers and a side of lobster? i mean you could get a lot of food back then for $7
Public funds would pay for the radical right professors. I don't see a problem with that. If by some miracle they don't exist then it's really not the problem of the left wing or the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffPublic funds pay for the radical left professors at these universities.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
This isn't about capitalism.
I am not saying that anything here "represents" anything else.
Just that it disgusts me to know that these loony professors are being paid with tax dollars, and nothing is ever done about it.
And when you say public funds pay for something i'll just assume you mean they chip in a little bit. Where i'm from public funding actually covers the whole thing and then pays you on top of that to go to a university.
I don't know what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickPublic funds would pay for the radical right professors. I don't see a problem with that. If by some miracle they don't exist then it's really not the problem of the left wing or the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
And when you say public funds pay for something i'll just assume you mean they chip in a little bit. Where i'm from public funding actually covers the whole thing and then pays you on top of that to go to a university.
Right wing professors are not hired at public universities because the people doing the hiring are left wing themselves.
Public funding contributes a large portion of the tuition and other expenses at state universities. Students are not given any money to go to the university (or for expenses), unless they are on some form of financial aid, and usually those are just loans.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffI knew you or someone else would come up with something sarcastic in response to that example.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
It's something minor, yes, but I experienced it personally, and it's a perfect microcosm of the bigger funding issues going on at universities.
They couldn't let a hungry kid they screwed out of a meal go over to the other cafeteria, because it would mess up their precious budget by $7.
Do you think that was an isolated incident, or do you think that the strict budget-by-department methodology at these schools might be choking some departments while causing needless waste in others?
Honestly I agree with you regarding the luridly terrible financial management issues that plague a lot of colleges.
But we are talking about high school science classes with 50 year old textbooks and shit, not whether or not your hot meal refund was handled appropriately. And the reason a lot of those schools have no resources to give people basic, competitive educations is that your party aggressively fucks with them for not giving equal time to 'intelligent design', or claims 'the science and math curricula have been politicized' because they address global warming while refusing to give equal time to the garbage data being churned out by Koch sponsored hacks.
Again, not saying there isnt liberal insanity in the mix (graduating kids who cant fucking spell their own names etc) but if we are going to talk about left wing fringe politics in the educational system, lets at least acknowledge what its a response to.
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Originally Posted by gimmickPublic funds would pay for the radical right professors. I don't see a problem with that. If by some miracle they don't exist then it's really not the problem of the left wing or the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
And when you say public funds pay for something i'll just assume you mean they chip in a little bit. Where i'm from public funding actually covers the whole thing and then pays you on top of that to go to a university.
:facepalm2
My feeling is that many posters, probably the younger ones, are missing the pernicious effect that the multigenerational hiring of radicalized professors has had on higher education. This generation's low seniority instructor becomes the next generation's department head and/or school administrator. They hire similar radicals until they almost completely control curriculum and create their kind of campus intellectual climate that is generally intolerant to dissent.
So the markets have decided then. There's nothing to cry about it. If enough students cared about it, all those universities would cease to exist. Your public universities couldn't stay operational with current or historic levels of public funding. Students (or their parents) have voted with their wallets again and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't know what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Right wing professors are not hired at public universities because the people doing the hiring are left wing themselves.
Public funding contributes a large portion of the tuition and other expenses at state universities. Students are not given any money to go to the university (or for expenses), unless they are on some form of financial aid, and usually those are just loans.
you guys are glossing over the big issure here HOW MUCH FOOD DID DRUFF GET FOR $7
also what are the odds he knows the exact order to this day -8900?
Pay attention Jim, the boiler was broken, so I couldn't get any foodQuote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
How nice of you to tell college-aged students and their family to spend a fortune on private universities because the public ones are filled with radical professors.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickSo the markets have decided then. There's nothing to cry about it. If enough students cared about it, all those universities would cease to exist. Your public universities couldn't stay operational with current or historic levels of public funding. Students (or their parents) have voted with their wallets again and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Must be nice to be so cavalier with other people's money.
Oh i'm not telling them how to spend their money, they are telling me how they've spent their money. It appears they don't mind enough to do anything about it. If there was enough demand for conservative leaning public universities they would exist. There is nothing stopping them from setting up shop and asking for public funding. Or maybe we are to believe that this left leaning conspiracy somehow extends to every state. By magic in states where conservatives hold majority in every governing body/position they somehow still can't get shit done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow nice of you to tell college-aged students and their family to spend a fortune on private universities because the public ones are filled with radical professors.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Must be nice to be so cavalier with other people's money.
to be fair you said they couldnt give you hot food, we all assumed you got $7 worth of cold food on principleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffPay attention Jim, the boiler was broken, so I couldn't get any foodQuote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
the reality is that certain professions are more likely to pull in people of a certain political ideology.
it shouldn't be surprising that people inspired to be educators are more likely to be liberal. same with journalism. you can complain that liberals are overrepresented in these areas but that's not likely to ever change and it's not because of some global conspiracy.
how many republican social workers do you think are out there?
on the flip side, i'm sure the majority of hedge fund managers, business owners, etc. are republicans.
Depends, are we including the items negotiating off the bill as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
Druff, don't take this as a troll, more of an honest opinion based on your posting.
I consider you to be more brainwashed than a communist college freshman.
These things were said by a wacko. Don't you realize there is a left, a right and an up and downQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnCommodeUnfortunately, truth is independent of its source. Either these things were said or they weren't. I can find no evidence that they weren't said. I'm always open to reevaluation should new contradictory evidence appear. I'm not constantly angry, just constantly disappointed in the quality of American college faculty and the current reign of terror of campus political correctness.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
40k a pound gtfo moron
here's an example.....a nut jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit
You and a lot of your minions are right sick. Isn't it Betsy Voss who basically wants to privatize schools in general. You know like the airlines, the prisons, the health industry the EPA. See where you are now, I think it's too late for any turnaround. It's like hearing little kids talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffPublic funds pay for the radical left professors at these universities.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
This isn't about capitalism.
I am not saying that anything here "represents" anything else.
Just that it disgusts me to know that these loony professors are being paid with tax dollars, and nothing is ever done about it.
Then you aren't very good at reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Lurker
Whether you agree or disagree with my political opinions, they are not a rehash of Republican or alt-right talking points, and that should be clear after reading enough of what I write.
There have been several times within the past year that I have expressed political opinions which differ from both the mainline Republican Party and its further-right critics.
While I am definitely a conservative and clearly side more with Republicans on most issues, I consider each one individually and form my own opinions.
You don't need to accuse someone of being brainwashed just because their opinions differ from your own.
Ya but he was being niceQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThen you aren't very good at reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Lurker
Whether you agree or disagree with my political opinions, they are not a rehash of Republican or alt-right talking points, and that should be clear after reading enough of what I write.
There have been several times within the past year that I have expressed political opinions which differ from both the mainline Republican Party and its further-right critics.
While I am definitely a conservative and clearly side more with Republicans on most issues, I consider each one individually and form my own opinions.
You don't need to accuse someone of being brainwashed just because their opinions differ from your own.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Lurker
You don't need to accuse someone of being brainwashed just because their opinions differ from your own.
But to be fair Druff, it's all he's got.