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Roger Clemens goes freeQuote:
Originally Posted by Riboflavin
:laterfag
He will probably die 2-3 years into his sentence for something health related.
He's 68 so yeah he probably won't live long and if he's not kept under some protection his days are numbered.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover.
So basically do shit and get caught later on in life when you likely don't have a lot of time left and you get off (no pun) easily.
Now the civil suits will start up to empty him of all assets not already tucked away beyond reach. Expect Sandusky headlines for another 3 years or until shanked.
He will be in solidary confinement because everyone and their mother will be looking to shank him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deal
1. Put him in gen pop, let nature take it's course.
2. Sandusky family will obv sue state, and win damages for willfully putting him in danger.
3. While this is going on, victims sue Sandusky and settle for massive amount of cake they normally would never see but.....
4. Sandusky family pays victims off with settlement from state.
5. Everybody wins, pedo is dead and victims are compensated from state who let a child molester prey on young kids at it's most valuable/high profile campuses.
I believe most high maximum prisons have a group of prisoners that have committed similar crimes and are sequestered. This time next year he will be with the other elederly pedos playing chess and watching Wheel of Fortune and giggling. Sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
Giggling with Fluffer?Quote:
Originally Posted by RiboflavinI believe most high maximum prisons have a group of prisoners that have committed similar crimes and are sequestered. This time next year he will be with the other elederly pedos playing chess and watching Wheel of Fortune and giggling. Sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
Don't get the idea that being in any part of prison is a picnic. Ive done work inside a couple of prisons, and they are some really scarey f**kin places. For one thing, there is a terrible stench, like rotting sweat. I was always glad to get the hell out of there. I agree that he'll make it a couple of years at most and that's it. Its a real shame what hes done to his family and everybody else he came in contact with, but he doesn't deserve to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiboflavinI believe most high maximum prisons have a group of prisoners that have committed similar crimes and are sequestered. This time next year he will be with the other elederly pedos playing chess and watching Wheel of Fortune and giggling. Sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
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Originally Posted by lewfather
Straight ripped that joke from Biggie (R.I.P.)
He will be in gen pop. Until his sentencing he is in solitary confinement... After sentencing it's off to the jungle he goes. Not sure he will end up in some isolated wing playing checkers with old fucks like Ribo said, there's a good chance he winds up among a very bad element. I think a good over/under on how long he makes it is 3 years. It would be a sadistically entertaining bet to make TBH. How long and what cause.
I recently reread Catcher in the Rye in which Holden Caulfield uses variants of the phrase 'horsing around' several times.
Not the same book to me anymore. Fuck you Jerry Sandusky.
gg Schultz and Curley.
Emails were released showing that they covered it up, along with Graham Spanier, who somehow has eluded criminal charges thus far.
This pretty much seals the deal that Schultz and Curley are going to get convicted (unless the jury is full of morons), and raises the chances that scumbag Spanier will be charged.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/30/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2
They better hold these guys accountable. Covering up this stuff is almost as bad as raping the kids themselves. Imagine having an opportunity to save some boys from this, and not doing it.
Cnn doesn't seem to make a big deal out of the fact that Paterno was involved with these coverup talks:
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Curley refers to a meeting scheduled that day with Spanier and indicates they apparently discussed the Sandusky incident two days earlier.
Curley indicates he no longer wants to contact child welfare authorities just yet. He refers to a conversation the day before with Paterno. It's not known what Paterno may have said to Curley.
Curley writes: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
Why these guys aren't on a flight to some island is beyond me.
Not sure if this should be a new thread, but the evidence against Joepa is coming out.
There is just no way these jokers did all of this behind his back.
Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--...rup-grows.html
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The Penn State administration had finally hatched a plan. It was too kind, backward and included possibly tampering with a criminal investigation. Still, it was enough of a plan that it could've stopped Jerry Sandusky, child molester, back in 2001.
Just a couple weeks earlier, a football graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, had witnessed Sandusky abusing a boy in a Penn State locker room shower. He told coach Joe Paterno. He told vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley. He could've been more specific. He was clearly specific enough, however, to get their attention.
Schultz plotted out a course of action, according to a bombshell report by CNN, citing an email exchange that's been uncovered in the school's independent investigation by former FBI chief Louis Freeh. The report could be released as early as next month.
According to CNN in an email dated Feb. 26, 2001, Schultz wrote to Curley about a three-part plan that included talking "with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility," … "contacting the chair of the charitable organization" and "contacting the Department of Welfare."
Former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley's alleged email could be damaging for Joe Paterno. (AP)It would have been better to skip directly to the third action and let the welfare authorities do the meeting and informing, but this should've been enough to end Sandusky's reign of terror.
Except that Curley sent an email to Schultz and school president Graham Spanier on Feb. 27, 2001, that changed everything.
"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation," Curley's email said, according to CNN.
It's unclear why Curley suggested that Sandusky (the "person involved") wouldn't be contacted when Schultz's email told Curley to "talk with the subject asap." But the bottom line is that child welfare services was never contacted. And Sandusky, convicted earlier this month on 45 counts of molestation, continued to stalk and abuse the area's disadvantaged boys for seven more years.
The email is devastating on multiple levels, perhaps most for Paterno, who had escaped some measure of scorn thus far by having played the, in-hindsight-I-should've-done-more angle. Paterno, who won more games than any other major college football coach, died at age 85 in January of lung cancer.
[Yahoo! Sports Radio: Dan Wetzel on the Sandusky verdict]
According to Curley's email, Paterno participated more than he ever admitted, including likely talking Curley – and thus the others – out of the plan to turn Sandusky over to authorities.
Take a second for that one to sink in.
It is now perfectly reasonable to postulate that Joe Paterno protected Jerry Sandusky, who had been a Penn State assistant coach from 1969 until retiring in 1999. Sandusky went right along with his business of showering with boys in the locker room, of bringing kids to the sidelines during games, of sitting in the press/luxury box area of home games. Sandusky used the program's allure like a lollipop to draw kids into his van.
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Paterno will never have the chance to defend against this charge or answer these troubling questions.
However, what would be his defense?
The first could be that he and Curley never met on or about Feb. 27, 2001, or if they did meet, Sandusky wasn't mentioned.
In a 2011 appearance to the grand jury, Paterno said McQueary detailed what he saw in the shower. Within a couple days Paterno relayed the story to Curley over the phone. He said he wasn't involved in the investigation after that.
"Because I figured that Tim would handle it appropriately," Paterno testified on Jan. 12, 2011. "I have a tremendous amount of confidence in Mr. Curley and I thought he would look into it and handle it appropriately."
Curley's email tells a different story, that he discussed with Paterno the plan to bring in child protective services.
Perhaps Curley lied in that original email, although why is anyone's guess. Perhaps Paterno forgot about the meeting (a decade had passed by the time the then 84-year-old testified in front of the grand jury). Or perhaps Paterno was trying to cover his tracks by not mentioning it under oath.
The other possibility is that the meeting did take place and Paterno supported turning Sandusky over to child welfare but Curley, after "giving it more thought," overruled Paterno's position and changed direction.
That one is difficult to believe. Tim Curley was Joe Paterno's boss in title only. Curley grew up in State College in a house just down the street from the current Beaver Stadium. He parked cars and sold programs as a kid. He played football at Penn State and was said to be JoePa's handpicked choice as athletic director years later.
This latest report could really damage former Penn State coach Joe Paterno's legacy. (AP)Tim Curley, like so many in State College, stood in awe of Paterno. Forget the organizational chart, he worked for the coach more than the coach worked for him.
The notion that he would ignore Paterno's advice, and then upon doing so never have Paterno question him or later overrule him, is highly unlikely.
There are more details to be sifted through. One is Curley cryptically mentioning he would "tell [Sandusky] we are aware of the first situation."
This seemingly refers to Sandusky being investigated by Penn State police in 1998 for abusing a boy, later known as Victim No. 6, in the showers. The Centre County district attorney at the time chose not to prosecute Sandusky.
While most believe there could be no way that Curley, Schultz and Spanier, let alone Paterno, didn't know about the 1998 investigation when choosing not to act in 2001, this is a smoking gun. It establishes that at least the three administrators did know. And wouldn't Curley have brought it up when discussing Sandusky with Paterno?
It's the most galling and evil part of the CNN revelations. These officials were learning of a second allegation that Sandusky had abused a boy in the showers and yet their reaction wasn't to turn the case over to authorities. Instead they allowed Sandusky to continue to operate on campus, only with the caveat he wasn't supposed to bring children around, an order he routinely violated.
After 1998, you could argue there wasn't much they could do. There was an investigation but no charge. People who work with children are always in fear of such a thing. If the district attorney said there was nothing to it, then you accept there was nothing to it.
Until a similar accusation is made, this time not from a possibly confused kid, but from McQueary, your own 27-year-old, no-reason-to-invent-such-a-story graduate assistant.
[Dan Wetzel: Sandusky is guilty and his victims are heroes for testifying]
In 2001 there was zero excuse to not stop Sandusky. Zero. Penn State's decision was pathetic.
It's a chief reason why Curley and Schultz are facing prison time for failure to report a crime. It's also why Spanier remains a candidate for similar indictment from the attorney general.
Did Spanier realize the stakes of his decision? You bet he did. His email back to Curley concerning not going to child welfare says as much.
"I am supportive," Spanier wrote, according to CNN. "The only downside for us [is] if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."
Graham Spanier is a bad person. That wasn't the "only downside" or even the primary downside of Sandusky not hearing "the message."
The fact that additional children would be abused was the downside. Spanier, ever the self-obsessed top administrator, cared only about his own liability, not some terrified 10-year-old in an empty shower room. At no point, apparently, did anyone write an email about finding the boy McQueary said was being molested.
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What remains is the question of why otherwise reasonable people would make such an ethically bankrupt and criminal decision. These are highly educated, high-functioning men. The answer may never be determined. It may help to go back to that moment.
In hindsight, the smart move would have been to have Sandusky arrested. Viewed from today, Curley, Paterno, et. al. would have been lauded for making the correct decision.
At the time, however, the story would've been about a recently retired defensive coordinator molesting kids in JoePa's locker room.
Paterno was 74 and coming off a 5-7 season. He didn't have much of a team for the foreseeable future, either. Rumblings were growing that it was time for him to retire, that the game had passed him by, that at his age he couldn't handle the responsibilities of a major college football program.
An act of child molestation in the locker room would have only fueled that. When word would have eventually leaked out that in 1998 Sandusky had been investigated for the same charge yet still maintained all-hour access to the facilities, it may have too much for Paterno to survive, let alone explain.
In the precise moment, each of the men must have feared being fired. Even Joe Paterno.
Perhaps that wasn't the case. We may never know and it certainly isn't an excuse for allowing Sandusky to continue. It may explain it, however. Self-preservation is a powerful motivator.
If Sandusky had sought the help they suggested, had he stopped his behavior, had the school not commissioned Louis Freeh to dig through every scrap of information in the football program, a witch hunt that found its witches, they may have gotten away with it.
They didn't, though. Instead, the whole thing gets worse for Penn State. The full report looms. The noose tightens on Curley, Schultz and Spanier.
And Joe Paterno, the beloved saint of the Nittany Lions, is left looking nothing like the man everyone believed he was.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/sp...n.html?_r=2&hp
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N.C.A.A. Gives Penn State $60 Million Fine and Bowl Ban
INDIANAPOLIS — The N.C.A.A. announced significant penalties against Penn State and its football program Monday, including a $60 million fine and a four-year postseason ban, in the wake of the child sexual abuse scandal involving the former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.
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The punishment also included the loss of 10 scholarships per year for the next four years, with a limit of 65 total scholarship players on the roster, as opposed to the typical 85, by the 2014 season. The university must also vacate all of its victories from 1998 to 2011, meaning that Joe Paterno is no longer the major-college career leader in football wins.
In announcing the penalties, Mark Emmert, the N.C.A.A. president, called the case the most painful “chapter in the history of intercollegiate athletics,” and said it could be argued that the punishment was “greater than any other seen in N.C.A.A. history.”
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The fine was equal to the average annual gross revenue of the football program. The money will be placed into an endowment for programs that work to prevent child sexual abuse and assist victims. No programs at Penn State can be financed by the money.
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What the NCAA did today was open a huge can of worms. They are now saying that it doesnt matter if someone specifically violates an NCAA rule, that the NCAA can dole out punishments based upon any lawbreaking.
That last sentence was a huge cluster fuck. Let me clarify. The major thing that everyone around me has been correlating this to was the Kansas Basketball ticket scandal from a few years ago. In that scandal there were MULTIPLE high ranking people in the athletic department that were found to be complicit. There are I believe 5 people in federal prison. The AD at the time had his hand in the pie. What sort of punishment did KU receive from the NCAA for this athletic department cover up? NOTHING. When questioned about it at the time, Mark Emmeret (sp?) said that it was not in the scope of things the NCAA would dole out punishment for because A. it wasnt actually an NCAA violation, B. the legal system had already punished the individuals, and C. the student athletes should not be unfairly punished as they had nothing to do with the scandal.
Now tell me how the Penn State situation is different than that? The only difference is the media hype involved. Penn State essentially recieved a death penalty and KU received nothing!
Children were molested, bro. Lots of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
So now the NCAA is deciding which crimes are worse than others? 5 people are in federal penitentary for violating numerous federal crimes but that University got off scot free? If you cant see the hypocricy there then im not sure what else to say. Im in no way saying that child molestation isnt a horrific crime. Thats not what we are talking about here. What Im discussing is the NCAA and their apparent inconsistency when it comes to doling out punishment. All you care to do is carry on this media sensationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeChildren were molested, bro. Lots of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
12 people got killed in a theatre in Colorado and its on the front page of every website and print newspaper out there. 13 people died in one truck crash in Texas yet that wont get 1/100th of the worldwide coverage. Its all media sensationalism.
I think the mass shooting happens a little less frequently than a car wreck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22So now the NCAA is deciding which crimes are worse than others? 5 people are in federal penitentary for violating numerous federal crimes but that University got off scot free? If you cant see the hypocricy there then im not sure what else to say. Im in no way saying that child molestation isnt a horrific crime. Thats not what we are talking about here. What Im discussing is the NCAA and their apparent inconsistency when it comes to doling out punishment. All you care to do is carry on this media sensationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
12 people got killed in a theatre in Colorado and its on the front page of every website and print newspaper out there. 13 people died in one truck crash in Texas yet that wont get 1/100th of the worldwide coverage. Its all media sensationalism.
Obviously 13 people die in single car accidents all the time.....................Quote:
Originally Posted by tommytI think the mass shooting happens a little less frequently than a car wreck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
Nobody seems to give a fuck though except you because the powers that were at Penn State chose to cover up child abuse. It's not really fair to the current players but any of them with a brain and a desire to play at a high level should have already transferred, and now can with no penalties. Who fucking cares if their program is ruined, I commend the NCAA for the punishment they levied, screw procedure in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22So now the NCAA is deciding which crimes are worse than others? 5 people are in federal penitentary for violating numerous federal crimes but that University got off scot free? If you cant see the hypocricy there then im not sure what else to say. Im in no way saying that child molestation isnt a horrific crime. Thats not what we are talking about here. What Im discussing is the NCAA and their apparent inconsistency when it comes to doling out punishment. All you care to do is carry on this media sensationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
12 people got killed in a theatre in Colorado and its on the front page of every website and print newspaper out there. 13 people died in one truck crash in Texas yet that wont get 1/100th of the worldwide coverage. Its all media sensationalism.
You think the winningest coach in CFB history willfully ignoring child molestation is 'media sensationalism', bro? Or that a truck crash is more newsworthy than some guy lighting up a movie theater? Come on, bro, even you aren't that stupid. Keep on truckin' bro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTYQuote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
Only a fool would compare a ticketing scandal involving nothing more than money to multiple little boys getting repeatedly ass-fucked while the people running an institution turned a blind eye & LET it happen. They could have stopped this as early as 1998 & decided their reputation was more important than even one childs life let alone untold numbers.
You'd actually have a point if everyone didn't feel that these people responsible didn't belong in jail for this coverup but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the general public that feels this way. As far as I'm concerned Joe Paterno can rot in fucking HELL & these other administrators that covered this up belong in fucking jail for a long time. You have to remember this was not a cover-up by the athletic dept, this was a cover-up by the highest brass of the university.
In all fairness to the wreck, they were Mexicans and nobody cares about themQuote:
Originally Posted by tommytI think the mass shooting happens a little less frequently than a car wreck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
Serial child molester Jerry Sandusky, a former Pennsylvania State University football coach, was sentenced to 30 to 60 years in prison on Tuesday for abusing young, at-risk boys for more than a decade.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8960IO20121009
Bye bye dickhead...
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Originally Posted by HEX
Stolen from Chaps at Boris. Needs to be a :thing here.
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Two things, one old, one new.
The old thing (which was strangely underreported in the media):
On November 1, Graham Spanier was finally indicted. I wonder what took so long, given that he was guilty of very similar crimes to Curley and Schultz, who were charged immediately.
Anyway, here is the document regarding the charges against him:
View on scribd here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/111792451/
The new thing is that Sandusky is attempting to appeal! I am guessing that this will be rejected, though:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/pen...eal/index.html
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
In Commonwealth states, the Magisterial courts are akin to simply arraignment courts for most issues. They will dispose of minor crimes and traffic offenses which makes them different slightly, but anything serious is kicked up to Common Pleas courts.
That scribd document comes from the PA AOPC site which I'm very familiar with for various reasons. It's publicly accessible if you want the dirt on any PA resident if you know what to look for. Searching by docket sheets(both magisterial and common pleas)/participant name/ and county will yield any individuals criminal history in totality.
This is how the Spanier case has further progressed past that point. Mostly just legal maneuvering because there was a conflict of interest with Penn State's university house counsel first appearing for Curley, Schultz, and Spanier. That's pretty egregious, and they could walk on that alone potentially. At first the university sent house counsel for those involved because they thought it was a state of PA vs. Penn State issue, and as the case progressed and the university looked to distance themselves from the bad actors, it has created legal difficulties. Spanier had a motion just a few days ago. The status of the case is listed as closed, but it's pretty clear it isn't. Possibly a change of venue to Centre County, I didn't check.
http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketS...D-0001387-2012
Court hearings are going on this month against Spanier, Schultz, and Curley, though none are likely to stand trial until early 2014.
Here is a description of the case against Spanier: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...panier_mo.html
Here is a disturbing account of the fact that Spanier is still drawing a $600k per year salary (LOL) from Penn State, as well as routinely goes out in public in State College, PA: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...thering_c.html
Here is an August 1 article about the hearings: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/08/0...z-hearing.html
From what I am hearing, the Penn State community as a whole still deeply admires Joe Paterno, and they think that the cases against Spanier, Curley, and Schultz are mostly witch hunts.
Basically the whole community is on the defensive about the Sandusky matter, as they feel the community and school were unfairly maligned as caring about football above everything else.
So now they're basically throwing all logic out the window and standing behind everyone but Sandusky himself.
I realize that it's tough to fire a tenured professor (which Spanier is), but how could he STILL be drawing a $600k salary at this point? Sounds like another fail on the part of the school. They've definitely had enough time to complete the procedure of firing him, and at the very least, they have enough evidence to do that, even if he never gets convicted of any criminal charges.
BUMP AGAIN
Curley and Schultz have pled guilty to misdemeanor child endangerment.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/03..._in_sandu.html
They may be testifying against Graham Spanier next week, which would be a major turn of events, as the three men had stood together until now.
I really hope that arrogant prick Spanier gets some serious prison time.
it makes me sick sandusky's wife hasn't spent a day in jail
a lot of this, also were looking at you pedotine.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
sorry i couldnt resist, one love, i was shaqtin.
I never followed this case very closely however there was something I always wanted to know. When McCreary heard the "slapping" in the shower did Sandusky cum in the boy's ass or his face? I think it's a reasonable question. Either way I'm sure it was all a big misunderstanding.
lol wowwww
Don't tell me Pooh's new house is going to have a kids roller coaster, petting zoo and frequent sleepovers. haha