Americas Cardroom Shadiness

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

PKR: You're posts are just getting more and more bizarre.

I along with a lot of other players have offered suggestions for changes to the Beast that would help bring in more rec players to the site. My suggestions have absolutely no reflection on my game at all. If you've read my other posts you'd know that I play on several sites so I don't compete in the Beast. We all know that WPN is more reg infested than the other sites. I've made a number of suggestions to help appease that.

The CEO has discussed a number of my suggestions in his twitch streams. Whether he agrees with me or not, I give him a lot of credit for being the only CEO that puts himself out there and directly addresses the concerns of his players.

It's pretty funny to read an admitted scammer such as yourself lecturing about honesty.

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LMAO, What else is a bored and broke 16 year old that loves poker suppose to do? I'm probably one of the only few kids that photoshopped their drivers permit to 18 to cash out.


And FYI... Beast is for Reg players... no Rec in their right mind that deposits here and there would even try for the beast.. if you want rec players you have to have multiple daily GOOD VALUE micro stakes.. micro stakes tournaments should always out number high stakes tournaments avaliable... rec players like myself only deposit $10-$50 max.. we only join $5 games if we win... if you think about it....if you have a large pool of micro stakes and a better payout structure that would guarantee you create 1-5 mid stakes players after every tournament.... cant just expect mid and high stakes players to appear out of no where.. you have to build them...

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Recs don't post here. Only RecRegs, RegRecs and RegRegs (Regs)

So are you a RecReg or a RegRec?

A.C.R.

REC,S NEED NOT APPLY.

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

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Originally Posted by duped_samaritan

Recs don't post here. Only RecRegs, RegRecs and RegRegs (Regs)

So are you a RecReg or a RegRec?

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I dont consider myself a reg at all.. ive been an online rec player for the past 10+ years but before i started online i would play poker for all three days on the weekend with the homies at the round table.. that is considered fun poker.. you cant find a better live game than that.

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You know reg is short for "regular" right?

As in someone who plays "regularly"

Haha @ me being an WPN rep. I didn't just create my account as you can see by the join date.

You keep making reference to the UB/AP scandal but what you're accusing WPN of has nothing similar to do with. You're accusing the software of causing bad beats after you make a move, etc (I really don't feel like rereading to what you're accusing WPN of.

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Originally Posted by AhoosierA

Haha @ me being an WPN rep. I didn't just create my account as you can see by the join date.

You keep making reference to the UB/AP scandal but what you're accusing WPN of has nothing similar to do with. You're accusing the software of causing bad beats after you make a move, etc (I really don't feel like rereading to what you're accusing WPN of.

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Also there was evidence backing up UB/AP accusations.

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

Hey all! I think Im on to something with ACR... i need help confirming...

So it seems like every time I bluff and steal a pot I get dealt a cooler or bad beat within 2-3 hands.. I have checked my hand logs in holdem manager and it seems I am right..

If any of you guys have hand logs from ACR please check and see if what im saying happens to you also...

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^^^^Not evidence

Played in some Hi 5 and there were some crazy ass beats left and right... i was watching multiple tables and everyone kept losing AQ/AK vs A9/A5... or some Q7 bs.. shit that makes people tilt and rebuy.. seems like a big ass scam session.. lol... all of a sudden all of the ACR twitch streamers just died...



Just wondering anyone here ship tournaments on ACR? or ran deep in the Hi 5 Series?

America's card room is acam..

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

Played in some Hi 5 and there were some crazy ass beats left and right... i was watching multiple tables and everyone kept losing AQ/AK vs A9/A5... or some Q7 bs.. shit that makes people tilt and rebuy.. seems like a big ass scam session.. lol... all of a sudden all of the ACR twitch streamers just died...



Just wondering anyone here ship tournaments on ACR? or ran deep in the Hi 5 Series?

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Seems like you got scammed right in the neck...lol ...

^^Is that really him? If so LOL, I won't even waste time in this thread anymore.

And yes. I'm a slight winning player on WPN. Granted over a small sample size as I just started playing on WPN in the last 2 months or so. I mostly played on Bovada before...

I also have real-life friends that make a living playing on WPN. Part of a private FB group where people are consistently posting daily about making deep runs & final tables.

I'm sorry you suck.
Ok...not really

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Originally Posted by AhoosierA

^^Is that really him? If so LOL, I won't even waste time in this thread anymore.

And yes. I'm a slight winning player on WPN. Granted over a small sample size as I just started playing on WPN in the last 2 months or so. I mostly played on Bovada before...

I also have real-life friends that make a living playing on WPN. Part of a private FB group where people are consistently posting daily about making deep runs & final tables.

I'm sorry you suck.
Ok...not really

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LOL! Well see where you're at in say after your first tournament ship? Please let us know if you deposit your life savings.. We all win at the start... Take your roll to Jackpot and see what happens after you tilt the first time.


FYI... This username isn't the one you see on SharkScope. I just randomly chose a SN.. but who in the heck is that? LMAO! Maybe the owner of ACR...

You think i'm foolish enough to put my real SN on here with all these trolls..

I've stolen and bluffed many many pots. I also take a ton of beats. Not sure where the problem is.

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Originally Posted by Sol

I've stolen and bluffed many many pots. I also take a ton of beats. Not sure where the problem is.

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kinda of a little early to be saying that with 225 games

prob cause you play high stakes.. dont need to rob you.. youll pay rake

and we all know youll be down 2k or more in the end hahahah

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Originally Posted by Sol

I've stolen and bluffed many many pots. I also take a ton of beats. Not sure where the problem is.

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Sol has gone parabolic.

He tapped that $750 resistance 3x. Broke through resistance and retested $750 support (work with me). Then he went parabolic (like Bitcoin).

Sol typically experiences 50-100% retracements.

Is Sol emotionally equipped to handle a $2,000 retracement without the penultimate tilt to $0?

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by Sol

I've stolen and bluffed many many pots. I also take a ton of beats. Not sure where the problem is.

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Sol has gone parabolic.

He tapped that $750 resistance 3x. Broke through resistance and retested $750 support (work with me). Then he went parabolic (like Bitcoin).

Sol typically experiences 50-100% retracements.

Is Sol emotionally equipped to handle a $2,000 retracement without the penultimate tilt to $0?

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Lmao. Former Supernova Elite. ACR isn't the only site I play. I think I'm up around 20K in poker since starting up again about 1.5-2 moths ago, too bad I lost about a half of that in online blackjack.

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Originally Posted by Sol

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Sol has gone parabolic.

He tapped that $750 resistance 3x. Broke through resistance and retested $750 support (work with me). Then he went parabolic (like Bitcoin).

Sol typically experiences 50-100% retracements.

Is Sol emotionally equipped to handle a $2,000 retracement without the penultimate tilt to $0?

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Lmao. Former Supernova Elite. ACR isn't the only site I play. I think I'm up around 20K in poker since starting up again about 1.5-2 moths ago, too bad I lost about a half of that in online blackjack.

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FiveFifty was boss

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Originally Posted by Sol

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Sol has gone parabolic.

He tapped that $750 resistance 3x. Broke through resistance and retested $750 support (work with me). Then he went parabolic (like Bitcoin).

Sol typically experiences 50-100% retracements.

Is Sol emotionally equipped to handle a $2,000 retracement without the penultimate tilt to $0?

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Lmao. Former Supernova Elite. ACR isn't the only site I play. I think I'm up around 20K in poker since starting up again about 1.5-2 moths ago, too bad I lost about a half of that in online blackjack.

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How many different times did you deposit through those games or was it just one deposit?


seems to me like their blackjack is rigged but poker is not... thast the thing.. you CAN win but majority of the time their mass bots will take top places while you can take 3-6th place easily...
their bots will get them to the final tables but humans take over after that... think about it.. if you send 100 bots eventually 3-5 of them will make top 18...
that way for sure theyll always play a final table...

thats why i say its bad to play aggressive on there because they set their software to punish those folks.. its the only way to beat bots in NL.. fi they eliminate that their bots will have a chance.. it may not be blunt rigging but its a disadvantage for those that play aggressive..


It will be very hard for low limit players to clear it because of the award points requirement (120 award points = $5 released). You get 5.5 APs for each $1 paid in rake. In a fully raked pot ($3) you only get like 6 award points after splitting it with other players who contributed to the pot (https://www.americascardroom.eu/play...tting-a-bonus/), and you need 10,080 award points to clear the $420 bonus (i.e. ~$1833 paid in rake). If you are playing say, 100 PLO with an average pot of $20-25 or so (which is typical of that limit) and playing about 30-40% ish of your hands, you are expecting to earn between 1-2 APs per hand so you would have to play something like 7000-8000 hands to clear the full bonus (roughly). That number would double if you were playing 50 PLO, and that number would be higher if you were playing holdem instead of omaha. And it would be near impossible to clear playing MTTs, even if you played the highest ones. So this bonus is essentially a scam for low limit and low volume players, but very good for mid/high limit higher volume players. With the additional 27% rakeback minus deductions from the bonus, I remember these bonuses will generally bump your rakeback up to something like 42%, and if you put in that volume for a month you can expect to score pretty high in the rake race leaderboard (roughly $250 bonus every 2 weeks plus a $55 satellite seat which is really juicy because about half the table sits out). Everything added up, it's pretty close to 1st year Supernova Elite rakeback from back on stars if you can clear the bonus in the month that they give you.

I think I might put on $840 plus a potential additional reload since I busted the 5K I had on there on blackjack (their blackjack is rigged so make sure you self-ban if you have hard time controlling yourself while intoxicated like me). It's pretty tilting to play 50 PLO with 4-5 other tightass regs at every 6-max table because they only 3 bet aces, never bet or call without the nuts, etc. but gota take a good deal when you see one.

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

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Originally Posted by Sol

Lmao. Former Supernova Elite. ACR isn't the only site I play. I think I'm up around 20K in poker since starting up again about 1.5-2 moths ago, too bad I lost about a half of that in online blackjack.

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How many different times did you deposit through those games or was it just one deposit?

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I duno man I just got a couple sites I play on and just put in money if I need more, and withdraw if I win.

If you feel the site is rigged then don't play there.

First game I played in a while was the other day in a jackpot sng just for fun because Bovada was giving me lag trouble and this happens:



I had the AA obv.

It's hilarious and I see quads by far way more then any other network in my life but I'm not going to make claims that WPN is rigging it up.

To say the network is full of regs compared to Bovada is a fair assessment though because wherever their is rakeback and volume rake race leaderboards you will find a bunch of hardcore grinding regs (good and not so good ones).

As for blackjack nothing more to say except it's a pit game with a built in house edge that even if it is actually fair the vast majority of people are going to lose long term that they really wouldn't have to rig the shuffle to show a profit. People also bet horribly in live casinos with blackjack when they are degening around such as increasing bets when they are losing,etc... At times it works just as if you move up a few stakes in poker but over the long run bad bankroll management decisions in all formats of gambling are usually not going to end well.

If you really want to play blackjack online do it with the live dealer sites (5dimes has two of them and a WPN skin) instead of going up against a computerized program.

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

If you feel the site is rigged then don't play there.

First game I played in a while was the other day in a jackpot sng just for fun because Bovada was giving me lag trouble and this happens:



I had the AA obv.

It's hilarious and I see quads by far way more then any other network in my life but I'm not going to make claims that WPN is rigging it up.

To say the network is full of regs compared to Bovada is a fair assessment though because wherever their is rakeback and volume rake race leaderboards you will find a bunch of hardcore grinding regs (good and not so good ones).

As for blackjack nothing more to say except it's a pit game with a built in house edge that even if it is actually fair the vast majority of people are going to lose long term that they really wouldn't have to rig the shuffle to show a profit. People also bet horribly in live casinos with blackjack when they are degening around such as increasing bets when they are losing,etc... At times it works just as if you move up a few stakes in poker but over the long run bad bankroll management decisions in all formats of gambling are usually not going to end well.

If you really want to play blackjack online do it with the live dealer sites (5dimes has two of them and a WPN skin) instead of going up against a computerized program.

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I find it funny after 3-4 years that their tournaments only really have 100-200 players... everything looks good but for some reason their player pool is not retaining.. i think their robbing their players so fast that they just quit... i highly suspect it as rigging and scamming... I dont see any reason why people would not play on ACR...


Everyone losing a lot of money but I just cant picture any pros on this site winning it all.. Theres just way too much money to being taken and rigging is the only reason...


I have found some flaws in their software that if i do a certain thing.. i would be dealt a premium starting hand the very next hand.. I have tried it over and over and it seems to work more than 70% of the time.... I believe this is the new way of activating their cheats without even having to use any extra software on your computer...

Scamming and cheating in poker these days isn't like the old day where they see your cards and rob you...
its more like setting up the algorithm a certain way and know how it works and how to exploit it vs other players to use it as an advantage... similar to taking 2 cards out of a 52 deck and playing poker all night. and know not to buy straights that have those cards in it...

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

I have found some flaws in their software that if i do a certain thing.. i would be dealt a premium starting hand the very next hand.. I have tried it over and over and it seems to work more than 70% of the time.... I believe this is the new way of activating their cheats without even having to use any extra software on your computer...

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Now that you've figured out their rigged system, you must be a very wealthy man.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

I have found some flaws in their software that if i do a certain thing.. i would be dealt a premium starting hand the very next hand.. I have tried it over and over and it seems to work more than 70% of the time.... I believe this is the new way of activating their cheats without even having to use any extra software on your computer...

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Now that you've figured out their rigged system, you must be a very wealthy man.

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Not quite.. Thats only lvl 1 to activate.. you have to play certain way after that for step 2 confirmation... its not that simple buddy... if it was that easy to activate there would be people accidentally activating it...


think of it like the Mexican cartel with secret compartments.. you have to press AC + radio and step on the brakes to open the compartment..


just shows how smart you are thinking its that simple... im done talking to small people like you..

I like playing on WPN and maybe i'm a dummy for thinking like this at all, or for still playing there if i really think something weird is going on.
I'd rather be working hard on other things, not this kind of stuff.

Long story short, noticed something weird a few months ago and it led me to start noting and categorizing everyone. Basically kind of feel
things are slanted a bit in favor of the newer accounts.

Snapped a couple screenshots of Top 15 winners and losers at my stake so far this month. I mark new accounts as "buddies" in PT4, so
those guys have the buddy icon. Could be totally random and i happened to look on just the right day, but i thought it was interesting.

Top 15 winners


Top 15 losers

When i first joined acr, I really knew nothing.

I wasn't a fish but plankton.

I binked micro tournament, s left and right never having to rebuy or anything..

I didn't even know what an add on was couse club wpt didn't have them and wouldn't click on it the first couple of times and actually binked one of those.

Just saying...

Seems like the glitches are changing as soon as I post them here..
I found the new glitch already though.. It got me deep in tournaments... Private message me if you want to know it cause I wont post it since its getting changed as so as I do...

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Originally Posted by Fake WPN account

I like playing on WPN and maybe i'm a dummy for thinking like this at all, or for still playing there if i really think something weird is going on.
I'd rather be working hard on other things, not this kind of stuff.

Long story short, noticed something weird a few months ago and it led me to start noting and categorizing everyone. Basically kind of feel
things are slanted a bit in favor of the newer accounts.

Snapped a couple screenshots of Top 15 winners and losers at my stake so far this month. I mark new accounts as "buddies" in PT4, so
those guys have the buddy icon. Could be totally random and i happened to look on just the right day, but i thought it was interesting.

Top 15 winners


Top 15 losers

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AmericasCardroom.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
BlackChipPoker.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
BookMaker.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
Full10Poker.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
MythosPoker.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
PokerHost.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
PokerKing.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
TruePoker.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
YaPoker.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay


Those are all the sites connected to WPN so its possible they could just use one of those sites to host all of their bot or shady accounts... We will never truly know because we cant even register at those sites..

I seriously think some insiders at WPN are robbing their skins players blindly by altering things and know how the RNG algorithm works.. I notice when I do certain things the cards will flop 100% of the time in my favor and HOLD and when I did other things I would be dealt a premium starting hand the very next hand on the BIG BLIND... although the BB trick stopped working as soon as i Posted it here.

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

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Originally Posted by Fake WPN account

I like playing on WPN and maybe i'm a dummy for thinking like this at all, or for still playing there if i really think something weird is going on.
I'd rather be working hard on other things, not this kind of stuff.

Long story short, noticed something weird a few months ago and it led me to start noting and categorizing everyone. Basically kind of feel
things are slanted a bit in favor of the newer accounts.

Snapped a couple screenshots of Top 15 winners and losers at my stake so far this month. I mark new accounts as "buddies" in PT4, so
those guys have the buddy icon. Could be totally random and i happened to look on just the right day, but i thought it was interesting.

Top 15 winners


Top 15 losers

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AmericasCardroom.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
BlackChipPoker.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
BookMaker.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
Full10Poker.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
MythosPoker.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
PokerHost.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
PokerKing.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay
TruePoker.eu Winning Poker Network Yatahay
YaPoker.com Winning Poker Network Yatahay


Those are all the sites connected to WPN so its possible they could just use one of those sites to host all of their bot or shady accounts... We will never truly know because we cant even register at those sites..

I seriously think some insiders at WPN are robbing their skins players blindly by altering things and know how the RNG algorithm works.. I notice when I do certain things the cards will flop 100% of the time in my favor and HOLD and when I did other things I would be dealt a premium starting hand the very next hand on the BIG BLIND... although the BB trick stopped working as soon as i Posted it here.

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missed a few


Betcoin.ag
BetDSI
Bookmaker
FabulousPoker
IslandCasinoPoker
HostPoker4You
PokerArabia
PokerKing
SportBet
SuperStackPoker
TOP
TruePoker
YaPoker

I reposted the links. For some reason they weren't showing up i guess.

Have some more stuff i would like post. Just working on how to put it together, and how to filter for what i'm trying to show.

One report is Hero vs Villian, but unfortunately it does not show the "buddy" icon in that report. So i may export to excel and highlight the players that way.

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Originally Posted by Fake WPN account

I reposted the links. For some reason they weren't showing up i guess.

Have some more stuff i would like post. Just working on how to put it together, and how to filter for what i'm trying to show.

One report is Hero vs Villian, but unfortunately it does not show the "buddy" icon in that report. So i may export to excel and highlight the players that way.

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Seriously, if you really think something is going on & are willing to post some proof/content, like your last post, then you should start your own thread because everything in this thread has been a joke.

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Originally Posted by Fake WPN account

I like playing on WPN and maybe i'm a dummy for thinking like this at all, or for still playing there if i really think something weird is going on.
I'd rather be working hard on other things, not this kind of stuff.

Long story short, noticed something weird a few months ago and it led me to start noting and categorizing everyone. Basically kind of feel
things are slanted a bit in favor of the newer accounts.

Snapped a couple screenshots of Top 15 winners and losers at my stake so far this month. I mark new accounts as "buddies" in PT4, so
those guys have the buddy icon. Could be totally random and i happened to look on just the right day, but i thought it was interesting.

Top 15 winners


Top 15 losers

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whats weird about this?

He's saying that the players marked with a buddy symbol are all new players. And that since there are more buddies as winning players than there are losing players, that the site gives new players an edge.

There's a couple of problems with that though. The sample sizes (of both the number of players and hands played) are way way too small to mean anything at all. And the players usernames aren't included in the charts, so their join dates can't be independently verified.

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Originally Posted by Fake WPN account

I like playing on WPN and maybe i'm a dummy for thinking like this at all, or for still playing there if i really think something weird is going on.
I'd rather be working hard on other things, not this kind of stuff.

Long story short, noticed something weird a few months ago and it led me to start noting and categorizing everyone. Basically kind of feel
things are slanted a bit in favor of the newer accounts.

Snapped a couple screenshots of Top 15 winners and losers at my stake so far this month. I mark new accounts as "buddies" in PT4, so
those guys have the buddy icon. Could be totally random and i happened to look on just the right day, but i thought it was interesting.

Top 15 winners


Top 15 losers

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Keep an eye on them.. see if they get spawned into bigger tournaments. I suspect ACR or WPN has a buddy system of bots to place top in tournaments. The software is glitchy like you can do certain things and get 90% of the same outcome.

Here's proof ACR could be Ultimate Bet or Paradise Poker..... They don't go away they just change names and start scamming again...





They have been around since 2001 says one ACR rep. Not many sites during that time. Ultimate BS sure was. BUSTED

To pick apart the reddit post:

1. ACR was the old Doyle's Room so if you go off that they have been around since 2001.

2. The do offer the million dollar tournaments and are the only site to do so that accepts Americans.

3. The free series is true and the guarantee but this isn't 100% money coming out of their pocket. You start with 1000 chips for the free entry and people can rebuy/addon which cost money. In the end they might be giving away 30% of the 150k, 50%,etc... It's still free/added money by the network but I'm just making this clear how it really works as they shell out the rest when they guarantee isn't met.

4. A small amount of the end total of the rake race pool was put into it by ACR. The rest is taking from raking pots or the sit n go fee. This can be a nice added bonus on top of the 27% you get in rakeback as well. When I grinded the site hard a few years back before it really grew their were times I made over 100% rakeback after the bonus by winning the leaderboard but most of the time it fell in the 60% to 80% if I recall (RB + leaderboard bonus + tourney ticket).

WPN is the network for a hardcore grinder who wants to play a bunch of tables for various incentives and don't mind battling it out with a bunch of regs in the process. Bovada games are by far softer, despite being anonymous tables. The Bodog/Bovada network is a bigger player pool and has always targeted sports/casino people who will sit down playing poker creating more soft spots. They offer random casino games and sports betting over on WPN but most of the player pool isn't on there for that. You are limited to 4 tables max in cash/sng on Bovada with the recreational model.

It's all about a player and what they want out of a site. If you are a recreational player then winning on WPN could be tough beyond the micros.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

He's saying that the players marked with a buddy symbol are all new players. And that since there are more buddies as winning players than there are losing players, that the site gives new players an edge.

There's a couple of problems with that though. The sample sizes (of both the number of players and hands played) are way way too small to mean anything at all. And the players usernames aren't included in the charts, so their join dates can't be independently verified.

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I used to snap a screenshot of every players Profile that i wanted to note, and i have a lot of them, but at some point it became a little tedious and i changed the way i did it. But i do sort of wish i had stuck to that way of doing it.
I have a large sample of hands, but it is just a matter of figuring out how to filter for different things.

Speaking of profiles:

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

Here's proof ACR could be Ultimate Bet or Paradise Poker..... They don't go away they just change names and start scamming again...

They have been around since 2001 says one ACR rep. Not many sites during that time. Ultimate BS sure was. BUSTED

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Or Truepoker? Or 5dimes? Or BetCris?

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

To pick apart the reddit post:

1. ACR was the old Doyle's Room so if you go off that they have been around since 2001.

2. The do offer the million dollar tournaments and are the only site to do so that accepts Americans.

3. The free series is true and the guarantee but this isn't 100% money coming out of their pocket. You start with 1000 chips for the free entry and people can rebuy/addon which cost money. In the end they might be giving away 30% of the 150k, 50%,etc... It's still free/added money by the network but I'm just making this clear how it really works as they shell out the rest when they guarantee isn't met.

4. A small amount of the end total of the rake race pool was put into it by ACR. The rest is taking from raking pots or the sit n go fee. This can be a nice added bonus on top of the 27% you get in rakeback as well. When I grinded the site hard a few years back before it really grew their were times I made over 100% rakeback after the bonus by winning the leaderboard but most of the time it fell in the 60% to 80% if I recall (RB + leaderboard bonus + tourney ticket).

WPN is the network for a hardcore grinder who wants to play a bunch of tables for various incentives and don't mind battling it out with a bunch of regs in the process. Bovada games are by far softer, despite being anonymous tables. The Bodog/Bovada network is a bigger player pool and has always targeted sports/casino people who will sit down playing poker creating more soft spots. They offer random casino games and sports betting over on WPN but most of the player pool isn't on there for that. You are limited to 4 tables max in cash/sng on Bovada with the recreational model.

It's all about a player and what they want out of a site. If you are a recreational player then winning on WPN could be tough beyond the micros.

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Doyle's Cardroom was Merge and was founded in 2004...

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ACR Rep for sure! OMG! How did you find me?

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Originally Posted by PKRPlayer2001

Doyle's Cardroom was Merge and was founded in 2004...

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Doyles Room was not Merge.

Also to be noted. When Doyle's Room closed down, the owners ran off with the money. WPN bought the site and paid the players out of its own pocket.

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Doyle's Cardroom was Merge and was founded in 2004...

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Doyles Room was not Merge.

Also to be noted. When Doyle's Room closed down, the owners ran off with the money. WPN bought the site and paid the players out of its own pocket.

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Seems to me they just switch owners in their circle and keep the same non-working SCAM Setup


So do they just keep paying each other for the 100 players they have or what? I wouldnt want to buy a non working poker site just to switch software and names.