LOL Canada: Trudeau to stop bombing ISIS

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

This isn't nation building. That accusation held merit for the Iraq invasion, but not for bombing missions against terrorist groups.

If we let the countries listed above handle ISIS, nothing will get done. This isn't a matter of getting involved in other nations' affairs. ISIS is a sworn enemy of the United States. We don't need to wait for another 9/11-sized disaster (or worse) before taking them seriously.

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"nothing will get done" is pretty lol. What happened to Republicans?

What will happen is these groups will kill each other, occupy each others attention and time, and not worry so much about us. Otherwise known as successful foreign policy throughout the history of the USA.

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You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

Yeah not to sound hawkish but what happens in the middle east wont stay in the middle east.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

"nothing will get done" is pretty lol. What happened to Republicans?

What will happen is these groups will kill each other, occupy each others attention and time, and not worry so much about us. Otherwise known as successful foreign policy throughout the history of the USA.

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You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

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If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

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If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

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Since we have a time machin..: how about going to were it all presumably started when Sir Winston Churhill gifted the Jews Israel? Or did that really not happen??

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

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If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

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I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

"nothing will get done" is pretty lol. What happened to Republicans?

What will happen is these groups will kill each other, occupy each others attention and time, and not worry so much about us. Otherwise known as successful foreign policy throughout the history of the USA.

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You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

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No, but Republicans are talking about troops in that fight. Did they learn nothing from the last decade? Of course, I know the answer, they didn't learn and don't care.

Giving logistical help and even air cover is fine. ISIS sucks, but Turkey, Saudi, Iran all have military assets that can fight ISIS on the ground. Any army we put in the middle east creates as much of a problem as it can possibly solve.

And Crowe had it right. Don't even arm al queda in Afganistan to begin with.

Republicans should have the same theory about terrorists that they do with mass shootings. If a shooter/terrorist is intent on doing harm, it's terrible, but you can't do anything about it. That's the price of freedom. Up to now, the solution has been spend 100's of billions of dollars a year.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

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The Boston Marathon bombing doesn't count?

So, 2 years.

What's going on with ISIS is complete fucking bullshit.


Those fuckers are armed to the teeth with American weapons... weapons that were 'sold' to the Iraqi army after a bullshit war which was designed partly to enrich the companies who made this weaponry.... All paid for using the natural wealth that is Iraqi oil.


ISIS only came to rise in the first place because of that bullshit war. And I'll say it again - it was a war that was partly designed to make certain American companies with close ties to American politicians very, very rich.


So privately, i can see the new Canadian PM concluding that his lovable neighbors should be cleaning up their own fucking mess. Especially considering they're the one's who created AND profited from this whole mess.


Also, the Canadian PM won a large majority on the premise that the Canadian military would pull back in the Middle East.


He has a mandate for this.

If we're smart, we'll let IRAN take out ISIS.

Give peace a chance man.......

http://youtu.be/Y09YOkVmGg0
http://youtu.be/Y09YOkVmGg0

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

What's going on with ISIS is complete fucking bullshit.


Those fuckers are armed to the teeth with American weapons... weapons that were 'sold' to the Iraqi army after a bullshit war which was designed partly to enrich the companies who made this weaponry.... All paid for using the natural wealth that is Iraqi oil.


ISIS only came to rise in the first place because of that bullshit war. And I'll say it again - it was a war that was partly designed to make certain American companies with close ties to American politicians very, very rich.


So privately, i can see the new Canadian PM concluding that his lovable neighbors should be cleaning up their own fucking mess. Especially considering they're the one's who created AND profited from this whole mess.


Also, the Canadian PM won a large majority on the premise that the Canadian military would pull back in the Middle East.


He has a mandate for this.

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Unlike l.o.t.f... I can conclude much of this is accurate, albeit no all..

That just show th he ugly group think of the left. They are not capable of understanding anything without an ideological.filter...or they rationalize there euthanasia and Margaret sanger, Fabian society mindsets.. they will lie to u for what they believe to be the greater good.. they are not mentally stable enouph to agree with a conservative on anything..

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lol at worthless canadians being like BRO WE HAD THAT ONE GOOD SNIPER BRO canada you are a pussy nation who cant afford fighter pilots but you dine out on like 11 year old afghan stories

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Can you please do PFA a favor and re-enroll in kindergarten? Then read a fucking book. Can't afford fighter pilots.... god damn you are a fucking mongoloid.

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

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I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

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Thank to yankee neocon support.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

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I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

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Druff, 9/11 happened because the FBI was horribly mismanaged domestic investigations from terrorism suspects., while the CIA also ducked up. In case you missed the reporting of this fact from about a dozen years ago, read it and weep over the deadly incompetence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/us...ia-lapses.html

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

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I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

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Also, watch this Frontline report from 2002. It discusses how one of its special agents, who was a maverick and sidelined by the bureaucratic idiots running the FBI's terrorism unit, was on the trail of Al Qaeda, and warned about it, but was ignored and left the agency due to a minor security lapse that ruined his FBI career. Again, bureaucratic incompetence allowed 9/11, not a failure to be more militaristic.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

It's not about money.

It's about a crippling fear of collateral damage, so they are backing off of the bombing and letting other countries take the blame if anything bad happens (while still reaping the benefits if the other countries manage to weaken ISIS via these bombings).

This strategy was used in the 1990s against Osama bin Laden -- basically to ignore him and engage him very minimally, and hope he'll go away. You see how that worked out.

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He masterminded a plot that killed 3,000 Canadians?

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Druff I think you're taking Trudeau's quote out of context. We already discussed this in the election thread.

Canada will do so in a responsible way, IE not spending m/billions of dollars.

We will sit back and let others fight the battle and provide support along the way. This is how Canada should operate, we are not a military power by any means.

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"... in a responsible way" seems to mean "We will let everyone else spend the money, bear the brunt of civilian death controversies, while we enjoy the same benefits from their efforts as if we were involved."

I think that's bullshit. It's like a class group project where one guy says, "You know, I'll sit this one out, but I support the work you guys are doing, and I'm sure you'll get all of us a good grade!"

It is understandable that Canada doesn't have the military that the US does, but they should at least contribute their fair share, unless they are philosophically opposed to the bombing.

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And/or unless Canadians don't want their military involved in it, which by all indications they mostly don't.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

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I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

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We also have a decades long streak of 10K+ people being murdered every year, mostly by guns, and a roughly 2-decade long streak of weekly random mass shootings by young white male losers. This is a MUCH more likely cause of violent death for Americans, and it is a problem that is easily solved, and to solve it would cost nearly nothing compared to how much the US spends on the Pentagon/intelligence/surveillance complex, with zero collateral damage and without generating more hatred of us.

The biggest couse of death is African-American,s in your nieborhoodr..fact jack......

Obama and u are the only racist in the room.

Hongkonger is a racist

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So u post a picture of another racist stupid niggar,, any relation??

Mr. Putin.. is stateing that HE IS going to start using thermo weaponry to eradicate the isis issues in certain areas... These weapons when detonated will fry whole swatches..QUE: "PATTON MONOLOG FROM THE MOVIE"

Finally a real weapon. Better a couple of extra of them then the continued genocide of coptic Christians and modern day brutal slavery..

He stated tbat isis is not cappable of negotiations and it is a war on rabbid zealots who will not negotiate..

He also.stated that he will.not unnecessay risk russion livez in this pursuit..

He recieved a standing ovation.. I gave him one too..

russion everybody

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Mr. Putin.. is stateing that HE IS going to start using thermo weaponry to eradicate the isis issues in certain areas... These weapons when detonated will fry whole swatches..QUE: "PATTON MONOLOG FROM THE MOVIE"

Finally a real weapon. Better a couple of extra of them then the continued genocide of coptic Christians and modern day brutal slavery..

He stated tbat isis is not cappable of negotiations and it is a war on rabbid zealots who will not negotiate..

He also.stated that he will.not unnecessay risk russion livez in this pursuit..

He recieved a standing ovation.. I gave him one too..

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Putnin is doing right by his people..

Obama/biden started that Baltic shit.(Obama really is playing on the Muslim brotherhood side. Whatever damage?!? Or drone strikes They tell u about. That's just collateral damage there accepting to keep on fooling you.. Putnin put more of a hurt in one week with 1/10 of the soldiers..

There special forces didn't lower standers to take short fat slow chicks and take diversity trainer on how not to offend the enemy..

There are global interest trying to monopolize the russion economy.
Obama and bush gave away our economy, putnin is fighting to keep his..

He is fighting for his country and he actually wants to help create s middle class and increase the wealth and quality of life for there citizenry..

At this point in time.. He is there reagon...

If he prevails.. It will be a golden age for there citizenry. Strong money, jobs, infrastructure natural resources.. Growth!!

Sparten I often skim over lots of your needling, but I see what you are trying to convey here.

I'm not sure you aren't actually trying to troll here, or reverse-level everyone to think you actually feel fond of or side with Putin's agenda to get some reaction. Maybe it is just who you are and not some agenda ridden troll.

Either way, you couldnt be more wrong from what the General public gets to see it seems. Putin thinks hes a slick husler imo, like raw and dirty mean husler in Politics and Government. Much of his leverage is the nukes. And the sorta rogue place that Russia is.. The Russian husle is thick and Putin doesn't have nearly as much as you seem to think here correct. He is a legitimate loose cannon who you cant ever trust, and always will have 1 eye on until he is dead or gone. Incredible you would even imply half of those things about Putin but that is funny.

Oh, and the implication that allowing some women an opportunity to try out for some of the U.S elite forces being a bad thing. Couldn't disagree more. That is crazy talk and keep in mind people don't know as much as they think they know, in the general public. I would feel safe betting that women have been around and involved with special forces for sometime, most likely under in classified situations, though who knows. Moving the issue into the mainstream and allowing women to compete is fine if they complete the training. Women have different traits than men, not all would be considered 'bad' and may be considered advantageous to some missions.

You have a square block should fit into a round hole mentality here and it is not very well thought out.

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Sparten I often skim over lots of your needling, but I see what you are trying to convey here.

I'm not sure you aren't actually trying to troll here, or reverse-level everyone to think you actually feel fond of or side with Putin's agenda to get some reaction. Maybe it is just who you are and not some agenda ridden troll.

Either way, you couldnt be more wrong from what the General public gets to see it seems. Putin thinks hes a slick husler imo, like raw and dirty mean husler in Politics and Government. Much of his leverage is the nukes. And the sorta rogue place that Russia is.. The Russian husle is thick and Putin doesn't have nearly as much as you seem to think here correct. He is a legitimate loose cannon who you cant ever trust, and always will have 1 eye on until he is dead or gone. Incredible you would even imply half of those things about Putin but that is funny.

Oh, and the implication that allowing some women an opportunity to try out for some of the U.S elite forces being a bad thing. Couldn't disagree more. That is crazy talk and keep in mind people don't know as much as they think they know, in the general public. I would feel safe betting that women have been around and involved with special forces for sometime, most likely under in classified situations, though who knows. Moving the issue into the mainstream and allowing women to compete is fine if they complete the training. Women have different traits than men, not all would be considered 'bad' and may be considered advantageous to some missions.

You have a square block should fit into a round hole mentality here and it is not very well thought out.

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Of course the government media has it wrong. It was a video tape right? It was a work place accident.. The people only want hill or jeb..its not a kleptocracy your just paranoid. Obama is not a racist we are..lets not talk about Margret Sanger that hill and Obama worship or rev wright.

Dude, say what u will but I amam sooo right. It's almost become blatent. There starting to make Baghdad Bob look like a spin master..everything really is a lie. It's always kinda been like that but I think it's kinda apexed now..

Sorry for your willful ignorance or insidious self interest..