Israel killing my mother, baby sister or little brother. I got no job but I have new plans now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
Prosperity tends to moderate hate. Too late Bibi. Dumbass.
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Israel killing my mother, baby sister or little brother. I got no job but I have new plans now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
Prosperity tends to moderate hate. Too late Bibi. Dumbass.
TEL AVIV, Israel — Israeli officials obtained Hamas’ battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.
The approximately 40-page document, which Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.
The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.
So yea, imo Oct 7th was a false flag.
A couple of US researcherRs found insider trading that suggests Israel knew Oct 7th was coming.
Since it's Israel they word as if some rogue actor did the trading and now the Israelis are investiging. I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of this, wink wink.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ck-2023-12-04/
This pattern is so common i'm declaring it as a new rule.
RE: An Israeli accusation is actually a confession
I think i found out why too, besides the fact they're cold blooded genocidal maniacs. :)
I'm not gonna tell you, you need to read this imortant article.
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-fools-on-capitol-hill/
whomever profited from buying puts , shorting the market should get exposed. there is a paper trail , how is this not being investigated more ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Orko
was it people on the Hamas side ?
was it people on the Israeli side? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5117812675.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a5b4cbc211.jpg
I cannot believe there's people who voted for Biden over Bernie.
Bernie mentions $109,000,000,000 for Ukraine and Israel.
Nothing for Americans. $10 billion so Israel can continue the genocide. Israel is a rich county, they should pay for their own war crimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMbbL-KM7VM
it really is (insert word) that a nation in as much debt as we are simply feel like a cash payment is beneficial for our citizens here. shows us who is our master. pay attention.
but the old testament.... written by who for who? i digress. they will get more of our money b/c apparently our already enormous annual stipend is inadequate for our closest ally --- don't you see all we gain from the r/ship? i continue to digress
Warning, it's powerful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqHrJd_1MiE
Israeli holidays are joyeous celebrations of genocide and there's no group they hate more than Christians.
Christians have no idea how much Jews hate them. After the 500 killed in the attack on the christian hospital there was an est 800 christians in all of Gaza..
I imagine theres only a couple hundred left, if that.
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Meanwhi Israel is at the UNat the UN condemming the world for silence over something that probably didn't. even happen. lol.
https://youtu.be/vu4Txxw9bOo?si=HSqveqte5Ax6zA9M
omg Israel totally knew
and
Bibi was personally warned by Egypt.
The younger generation's eyes are wide open. wow!
https://twitter.com/IsmailogluF/stat...04181683618099
https://youtu.be/f8kE-e-_DUc?si=qvjEyYH3hKnzEDMd
Im out, this is fucked up.
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Originally Posted by Orko
it is something to behold. and when think it through, the jews killed the christian's god. pause and reflect on that. and they are america's closest ally. yep, another financial package to a rich nation who is on our annual dole already.
merica is getting what she deserves. 3 generations.
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bump.
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Originally Posted by Orko
it's just mostly a peaceful Genocide....
How does everyone feel about the US veto-ing the UN resolution for a cease fire
I’m almost older than Kwanzaa.
From the 3 Top University Professors thread.
Kalem was sparring with me. Kalem offered most sensible and honest assessment of Israel v Hamas I’ve come across. Kalem changed my mind. (No one has admitted to changing their mind on PFA before - will I get banned?)
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I would like to believe Hamas will be destroyed forever after the fighting is over, but I know it's probably a pipe dream.
Am Yisroel Chai עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי
https://cdn.britannica.com/53/1753-0...lag-Israel.jpg
we are warmongers obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
13 first world countries out of 14 and 98% of UN members are wrong obviously.
in before the UN is also antisemitic
US Govt official resigns to inform us of several SHOCKING REVELATIONS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlFdFM5kfkI
FWIW I am not saying that I think Israel has some great strategy that I expect to work. It just seems most people critical of Israel don't really have a coherent alternative that would allow them to actually survive and thrive, given the circumstances. Which is fine if you dont actually care if there is a nation of Israel that is surviving and thriving. But the people in Israel actually do care, which is going to cause some disconnect between what you think they should do and what they think they should do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Also, I think we just completely normalize and accept just how bizarre the whole Gaza situation is, and focus solely on Israel's actions but not enough on how the rest of the world is contributing to this problem.
Gaza is basically a refugee camp covering a small area that has turned into a baby making factory with one of the highest birth and growth rates in the history of mankind, that is completely subsidized by outside aid. And on top of this the entire population has been radicalized to support a generational guerrilla war, again completely subsidized by outside aid, that relies on Israel just allowing their guerrilla war to happen.
It really makes no sense at all, and doesn't seem to be doing the people of Gaza any favors. Honestly, I think the rest of the world needs to stop funding the whole enterprise, which would force the Gaza leadership and people to make more rational, peaceful choices; which in the long run would be much more beneficial to the Palestinian people themselves. But it would require them to give up on the political project of reconquering Israel.
Your description of Gaza - baby making factory and all - could describe Chicago or Baltimore. Where there is no prosperity nothing good results.Quote:
Originally Posted by KalamFWIW I am not saying that I think Israel has some great strategy that I expect to work. It just seems most people critical of Israel don't really have a coherent alternative that would allow them to actually survive and thrive, given the circumstances. Which is fine if you dont actually care if there is a nation of Israel that is surviving and thriving. But the people in Israel actually do care, which is going to cause some disconnect between what you think they should do and what they think they should do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Also, I think we just completely normalize and accept just how bizarre the whole Gaza situation is, and focus solely on Israel's actions but not enough on how the rest of the world is contributing to this problem.
Gaza is basically a refugee camp covering a small area that has turned into a baby making factory with one of the highest birth and growth rates in the history of mankind, that is completely subsidized by outside aid. And on top of this the entire population has been radicalized to support a generational guerrilla war, again completely subsidized by outside aid, that relies on Israel just allowing their guerrilla war to happen.
It really makes no sense at all, and doesn't seem to be doing the people of Gaza any favors. Honestly, I think the rest of the world needs to stop funding the whole enterprise, which would force the Gaza leadership and people to make more rational, peaceful choices; which in the long run would be much more beneficial to the Palestinian people themselves. But it would require them to give up on the political project of reconquering Israel.
How did Netanyahu or anyone else think this would turn out long term? Bibi has been the monarch in Israel for a generation. My answer is he had plans.
Let’s not spoil your previous narrative though. I do not care about Israel particularly. I understand anything goes when survival is at stake.
I specifically do not want to endorse any of it with our aid. Our involvement will only make the Middle East worse anyway. This is on them.
The exact name of the organizations running the guerrilla war can change, and it probably wouldn't change the situation very much. What needs to happen to actually change the status quo is the Palestinians giving up on the generational dream to reconquer Israel through armed combat. And I dont think there is actually any reasonable concessions Israel could make that would spur this to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by David USF
I mean, I am sure a lot of Western and Arab nations would be happier if Israel stop colonizing the West Bank with their own right wing wackos. But I dont think this has appreciably altered the Palestinian political project of reconquering Israel very much, one way or another. Reconquering seems to have been the political goal before, during, and probably after.
Will bombing Gaza back into the Stone Age facilitate an ideological shift, or cause the Palestinians to just give up? I really dont know. Such brutal tactics seemed to have worked with China and Xianjing, where there is no expectations that political Islam will ever create problems ever again. But I also acknowledge the fact Arabs are so racist against Jews for historical reasons and Israel having religious importance complicates matters.
But it seems pretty obvious if Israel just retreated back to the border and everything goes back to the way it was before, nothing will change.
Now imagine that outside countries were literally funneling weapons into Chicago and Baltimore for the express purpose to attack wealthy white suburbs? And they launched a raid into the white part of town and killed thousands and took hundreds hostage? Would the wealthy white suburbs just shrug their shoulders and accept this? I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Again, I am not saying Israel is some great nation making great choices. I am just saying the entire situation is really bizarre and untenable, and not doing anyone any favors. Who is actually benefitting from all the outside aid and political activism? Certainly not the Palestinian people.
You realize we also provide a lot of the aid to Gaza too, which invariably facilitates the generational guerrilla war effort? Do you also want to rescind this?
Anyways, my understanding is a lot of the aid we give Israel is to bribe them and Egypt not to fight each other anymore, which has actually worked well, even after there was a military coup in Egypt. We kept giving Egypt the aid and they seemingly have stayed committed to not fighting Israel.
Regardless, I suspect if the deal was Israel and Gaza would stop getting outside aid, including military aid to militants from Qatar and Iran (outside of the money designated to Israel and Egypt not to fight) Israel would accept this. As the entire Gaza guerrilla war effort would instantly crumble and Israel wouldn't be affected much.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...israeli-media/
"Over 5,000 Israeli soldiers injured since Oct. 7, with 58% seriously: Israeli media"
--I dont know how accurate this number is, but assuming it is ballpark, throw in another 500 or so dead and this is actually a very big number for such a small country. And the only reason the number is as small as it is is because of all the bombs they are dropping before they come in to soften things up. Israel isn't dropping so many bombs just to be cruel, it is actually necessary given the small size of their country and the nature of urban warfare. And truthfully they may be way be acting way too careful of harming Palestinians at the cost of their own military capability, and hence national survival.
Especially if Hezbollah/Iran decides to open another front, Israel might have to decide they need to just carpet bomb Gaza, Hamburg style and not worry about Palestinian civilian casualties at all. That is assuming they decide they need to win and the juice is worth the squeeze. I dont know who is doing those calculations or what they are deciding.
if Israel "carpet bombs" Gaza , seems like they already have , but if they do in your eyes what type of response should we expect?
if hamas carpet bombs tel aviv what type of response can we expect?
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Anyways, I dont know if Israel will ultimately decide if winning, or even surviving, is worth it. Maybe it wont and it will just take the L and retreat back and wait for the next attack in a few years. I am just stating what a country as small as Israel would have to do to actually pacify a giant, hostile urban area like Gaza.
Or alternatively, the world could just stop giving Gaza aid and weapons, and they would be forced to seriously come to the peace table or they would all starve to death. Like I said, it is a very bizarre situation where we have this giant refugee camp that is completely reliant on outside aid just so they can undertake a guerrilla war, with no plan to do anything productive or move forward in any meaningful way.
As you pointed out previously this will likely be a Pyrrhic victory for Israel as far as the world stage is concerned.
Maybe not fair but facts
There is a recent young Palestinian girl who moved into a small rental down the road.
I noticed many new spotlights around where she lives that are on all night.
Next time I see her gonna ask her opinion on war and why she has that area looking like a stadium with a game running.
If she moved here after the war started I doubt she would have told anyone her origin.
I SUGGEST YOU FOREGO THE FLIRTING STAGE AND JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO BURNING A CROSS ON HER LAWN.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
People have short memories. If things go back to the status quo and the Palestinians in Gaza can continue the belligerence, supported by Western leftists and states like Qatar and Iran, it will be a disaster for Israel; one that greatly diminishes them. IF they can actually pacify Gaza and force some kind of real peace, then eventually the world will forget and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I have no clue if it can/will happen though. Given the small size of their country, and the low tolerance of the Israeli public with losing soldiers lives, there may be no way to accomplish the task without too many Israeli soldiers dying/injured. And other Western nations dont have the tolerance for allowing Israel to undergo a safer war effort for themselves, which would result in a lot more collateral damage.
Israel supposedly knows where these tunnels are so why weren't they just filled with sea water ? I guess that would be an act of aggression but if they are going under the border.. if Israel had been given plenty of time. I guess they're probably not all that interconnected but still. I love that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by KalamThe exact name of the organizations running the guerrilla war can change, and it probably wouldn't change the situation very much. What needs to happen to actually change the status quo is the Palestinians giving up on the generational dream to reconquer Israel through armed combat. And I dont think there is actually any reasonable concessions Israel could make that would spur this to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by David USF
I mean, I am sure a lot of Western and Arab nations would be happier if Israel stop colonizing the West Bank with their own right wing wackos. But I dont think this has appreciably altered the Palestinian political project of reconquering Israel very much, one way or another. Reconquering seems to have been the political goal before, during, and probably after.
Will bombing Gaza back into the Stone Age facilitate an ideological shift, or cause the Palestinians to just give up? I really dont know. Such brutal tactics seemed to have worked with China and Xianjing, where there is no expectations that political Islam will ever create problems ever again. But I also acknowledge the fact Arabs are so racist against Jews for historical reasons and Israel having religious importance complicates matters.
But it seems pretty obvious if Israel just retreated back to the border and everything goes back to the way it was before, nothing will change.
Hamas is already doing all they can to go after Israel. That's basically what we saw on 10/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by hesterandeldridge
There is no such thing as making Hamas angrier to where now they'll do something much worse. You have to lose your temptation to place western thinking onto middle-eastern terrorist groups. Their goal is and always has been to destroy Israel and wipe out as many Jews as possible. If they could have done this, they would have already, with or without provocation, and they wouldn't mind dying in the process if it meant they'd destroy Israel at the same time. Mutually assured destruction is NOT a deterrent to Islamic terrorists, which is why you have to be so careful to keep WMDs out of their hands.
Everyones saying what should Israel do? Simple, quit being racists and adopt the same policies Jews championed in Europe, America. Australia and even Iceland.
The Palestinians are not Hamas, why are they locked in Gaza for decades.
Palestinians aren't given an option to leave, they can never say ok ive had enough i want to relocate.
Now all of a sudden they're being kicked out, why didn't Israel do this 30 years ago.
Israel/palestine has cost America like $3 trillion.
This was years and years ago.
https://www.wrmea.org/2003-june/the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html
If bibi gets his way we will be at war w Iran.
ASecond Trump term or a Pres Hayley will mean war.
A dose of reality.
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/sta...52593037586682
This is crazy, that missile or whatever wasn't very close and still did that. Israel is handing these things out like candy.
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/sta...71008942137588
You cannot comprehend how terriifying loud this is. no you can't. When I was a kid they dynamited a mountain to prevent future rockslides. I was half a mile away or so and it was the most terrifying thing ive ever heard. It was so fucking loud, the ground shook, there are no words to accurately describe it and it's nothing compared to the above. Every kid in Gaza almost certainly has
severe PTSD times 100.
Nothing to do w Gaza but going super viral.
It's pretty lol, Polish MP uses fire extinguisher on menorah.
https://youtu.be/izoIkCCM7ek?si=3KfioFjxh6UoCHen
In general I like your takes on things. That being Israel is just too small to do a military operation like many want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
I do have to question the following narrative - "Gaza can continue the belligerence, supported by Western leftists."
The positon seems to typically be that they want Israel to do something about Gaza/Palestinians. Act on the actions of the crazy settlers. Until this there is a great lack of sympathy for the Israeli side because they see little coming from the Israeli side. Also many in Gaza just are stunted in their opportunities. I can't say I know enough to know what and who to fully blame but if you read the econmic stats on gaza it is somewhat shocking.
These leftists stand against the current strictly pro-Israel narratives but to be fair, many are just being tribal/woke. Yet there is an important distinction from blindly supporting Hamas. Liberals seem more ready to acknowledge how few choices and opportunities many in Gaza have which means lack of sympathy for Israel being attacked. That doesn't mean they support but they understand.
It is a great talking point to dismiss the liberals views though. I'm sure the Zionists love to see that sort of thought process.
I might have to repost my post from another thread. Sadly I had no useful responses where I'd like to hear the views of the opposing sides.
yet its not tel aviv that is getting destroyed with missiles, its Gaza , how many dead israelis since October 8th ? how many dead Palestinians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffHamas is already doing all they can to go after Israel. That's basically what we saw on 10/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by hesterandeldridge
There is no such thing as making Hamas angrier to where now they'll do something much worse. You have to lose your temptation to place western thinking onto middle-eastern terrorist groups. Their goal is and always has been to destroy Israel and wipe out as many Jews as possible. If they could have done this, they would have already, with or without provocation, and they wouldn't mind dying in the process if it meant they'd destroy Israel at the same time. Mutually assured destruction is NOT a deterrent to Islamic terrorists, which is why you have to be so careful to keep WMDs out of their hands.
i don't trust israel at all with wmd's as the minute they grt invaded they will unleash on whoever they think is behind it.
Hamas is just regular dudes who're resisting decades of death humiliation and torture.
Israel created and funded Hamas, their defacto leader in Netanyahu.
What's next? Bury em alive obv.
IDF soldier takes out 2 Hamas fighters, even after close call with grenade, very close combat
WANING NSFW WARNING NSFW
https://theync.com/media/videos/6/5/...8e1b9b4769.mp4
ync links aren't for me.
Those captured soldiers above and the ones Israel paraded around in their underwear aren't Hamas. Regular Palestians used in an Israeli psyop.
Hamas has a no surrender policy, all this
according to Scott Ritter below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plcdwRZi1lA
It's strange how Israel lies by default, always.