**OFFICIAL Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph (Joe) R. Biden Thread - 2020 Presidential Election**

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Originally Posted by tgull

The only thing that is keeping Joe Biden in this race is the virus. Everyone knows he did this, and it would consume the news if not for the virus. What a trainwreck of a nominee. Gee, let's nominate a guy battling dementia who looks like he is 90, now a predator. He would absolutely be shelved if not for COVID-19. This story is not going away, and people are already getting virus fatigue so come August this will be a major issue. This story has legs for the sole reason the Dems made such horse's asses out of themselves during the Kavanaugh hearings. There is absolutely zero enthusiasm for Joe Biden, he is the worst candidate since Michael Dukakis, and that says a lot because Dukakis was flat out awful.

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you're repeating yourself a lot.

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by tgull

The only thing that is keeping Joe Biden in this race is the virus. Everyone knows he did this, and it would consume the news if not for the virus. What a trainwreck of a nominee. Gee, let's nominate a guy battling dementia who looks like he is 90, now a predator. He would absolutely be shelved if not for COVID-19. This story is not going away, and people are already getting virus fatigue so come August this will be a major issue. This story has legs for the sole reason the Dems made such horse's asses out of themselves during the Kavanaugh hearings. There is absolutely zero enthusiasm for Joe Biden, he is the worst candidate since Michael Dukakis, and that says a lot because Dukakis was flat out awful.

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you're repeating yourself a lot.

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Correct. It's going to get worse so best put me on ignore because I know what I do could affect two or three votes, and we saw in Florida 2000 that can make all the difference in the world.

Hilldawg was up by an average of nearly 8 points as late as mid October. At first I thought Biden had a shot, now it's looking like Trump -130 is a gift. Honestly, the best thing the Dems can do is replace him. Once he's forced out of the basement to actually face Trump and all of the shadow money starts pouring in to spread the "creepy Joe" angle through social media, he's likely going to lose worse than she did.

There is a basic smell test with candidates, and somehow the left has nominated a bumbling, senile dumbass, pushing 80 that dozens of clips and pictures exist of him being creepy with/groping not just women but multiple children. As much as most reading this have known these things, the typical likely voter isn't anywhere nearly as aware of it. His actual politics don't matter, and once these issues are hammered home over the summer and into the fall, many of the people who detest Trump will simply refrain from voting, even more so than they did for Hillary. This Tara Reade situation is building a foundation for sensible independents to vote for neither.

But once again I expect the same libtards as in 2016 on this board to dismiss these issues, and instead pretend that Biden is going to dunk on Trump until proven wrong again. His best shot of course is for a worst case scenario with the coronavirus situation.

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Hilldawg was up by an average of nearly 8 points as late as mid October. At first I thought Biden had a shot, now it's looking like Trump -130 is a gift. Honestly, the best thing the Dems can do is replace him. Once he's forced out of the basement to actually face Trump and all of the shadow money starts pouring in to spread the "creepy Joe" angle through social media, he's likely going to lose worse than she did.

There is a basic smell test with candidates, and somehow the left has nominated a bumbling, senile dumbass, pushing 80 that dozens of clips and pictures exist of him being creepy/groping not just women but multiple children. As much as most reading this have known these things, the typical likely voter isn't anywhere nearly as aware of it. His actual politics don't matter, and once these issues are hammered home over the summer and into the fall, many of the people who detest Trump will simply refrain from voting, even more so than they did for Hillary. This Tara Reade situation is building a foundation for sensible independents to vote for neither.

But once again I expect the same libtards as in 2016 on this board to dismiss these issues, and instead pretend that Biden is going to dunk on Trump until proven wrong again. His best shot of course is for a worst case scenario with the coronavirus situation.

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literally no one here thinks biden is a slam dunk over trump. the guy can't speak.

but what's the worst case scenario with coronavirus? if you think an economy that's worse than the great depression helps biden, expect biden to win, cause that's where we're headed.

come november, our unemployment rates will be unimaginably bad.

businesses will realize they didn't need half of the employees they had. other businesses are realizing they could work effectively without office space. that means certain sectors will never fully come back

i truly hope i'm wrong or every one of us is fucked

weirdly, you almost have to hope trump wins cause the alternative probably means our economy is so horrific that all of our lives will be worse (either through loss of income or retirement savings).

things are so bad that i'm watching fox news to cheer me up

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Hilldawg was up by an average of nearly 8 points as late as mid October. At first I thought Biden had a shot, now it's looking like Trump -130 is a gift. Honestly, the best thing the Dems can do is replace him. Once he's forced out of the basement to actually face Trump and all of the shadow money starts pouring in to spread the "creepy Joe" angle through social media, he's likely going to lose worse than she did.

There is a basic smell test with candidates, and somehow the left has nominated a bumbling, senile dumbass, pushing 80 that dozens of clips and pictures exist of him being creepy/groping not just women but multiple children. As much as most reading this have known these things, the typical likely voter isn't anywhere nearly as aware of it. His actual politics don't matter, and once these issues are hammered home over the summer and into the fall, many of the people who detest Trump will simply refrain from voting, even more so than they did for Hillary. This Tara Reade situation is building a foundation for sensible independents to vote for neither.

But once again I expect the same libtards as in 2016 on this board to dismiss these issues, and instead pretend that Biden is going to dunk on Trump until proven wrong again. His best shot of course is for a worst case scenario with the coronavirus situation.

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i agree with a lot of this so clearly we're wrong and bidens going to sweep.

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Hilldawg was up by an average of nearly 8 points as late as mid October. At first I thought Biden had a shot, now it's looking like Trump -130 is a gift. Honestly, the best thing the Dems can do is replace him. Once he's forced out of the basement to actually face Trump and all of the shadow money starts pouring in to spread the "creepy Joe" angle through social media, he's likely going to lose worse than she did.

There is a basic smell test with candidates, and somehow the left has nominated a bumbling, senile dumbass, pushing 80 that dozens of clips and pictures exist of him being creepy/groping not just women but multiple children. As much as most reading this have known these things, the typical likely voter isn't anywhere nearly as aware of it. His actual politics don't matter, and once these issues are hammered home over the summer and into the fall, many of the people who detest Trump will simply refrain from voting, even more so than they did for Hillary. This Tara Reade situation is building a foundation for sensible independents to vote for neither.

But once again I expect the same libtards as in 2016 on this board to dismiss these issues, and instead pretend that Biden is going to dunk on Trump until proven wrong again. His best shot of course is for a worst case scenario with the coronavirus situation.

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literally no one here thinks biden is a slam dunk over trump. the guy can't speak.

but what's the worst case scenario with coronavirus? if you think an economy that's worse than the great depression helps biden, expect biden to win, cause that's where we're headed.

come november, our unemployment rates will be unimaginably bad.

businesses will realize they didn't need half of the employees they had. other businesses are realizing they could work effectively without office space. that means certain sectors will never fully come back

i truly hope i'm wrong or every one of us is fucked

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Trump has his base regardless, and most in the middle are intelligent enough to realize that he's not responsible for the effects the pandemic are having on the economy. However, to me worst case scenario is well over 250k deaths by the fall - that and the likely coming depression paint a much uglier picture when combined and he is the first fall guy. It probably gets him beat.

There are all kinds of crazy variables at play here. The one that might cripple Biden is that even though he has black voter support, if there isn't a hard push for voting by mail I don't see the likely black voter type standing in line if the virus is still a threat in November. Sensible black folks are way more risk adverse than other races.

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

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Originally Posted by blake

literally no one here thinks biden is a slam dunk over trump. the guy can't speak.

but what's the worst case scenario with coronavirus? if you think an economy that's worse than the great depression helps biden, expect biden to win, cause that's where we're headed.

come november, our unemployment rates will be unimaginably bad.

businesses will realize they didn't need half of the employees they had. other businesses are realizing they could work effectively without office space. that means certain sectors will never fully come back

i truly hope i'm wrong or every one of us is fucked

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Trump has his base regardless, and most in the middle are intelligent enough to realize that he's not responsible for the effects the pandemic are having on the economy. However, to me worst case scenario is well over 250k deaths by the fall - that and the likely coming depression paint a much uglier picture when combined and he is the first fall guy. It probably gets him beat.

There are all kinds of crazy variables at play here. The one that might cripple Biden is that even though he has black voter support, if there isn't a hard push for voting by mail I don't see the likely black voter type standing in line if the virus is still a threat in November. Sensible black folks are way more risk adverse than other races.

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will older republicans stand in line in florida?

i don't even think 250,000 deaths would matter to most people btw. it's just the economy

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Originally Posted by blake

i don't even think 250,000 deaths would matter to most people btw. it's just the economy

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Correct. In 2004 Iraq was spiraling out of control and Bush got reelected, because the economy was good and home prices were high. People vote with their wallet. If the economy is on the upswing in October nobody is going to give a shit about the nursing home carnage or some fat people stroking out due to the virus. Now, if the economy is cratering in late October, then Abe Lincoln would not even win in 2020. American's are flat out greedy and want nice shit, plain and simple. Any impediment the President get's clipped, no better example than George HW Bush. He had a 90% approval rating in 1991 and lost in 1992 to an obscure Arkansas governor because the US hit the bottom of a recession at the exact wrong time.

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Originally Posted by blake

i don't even think 250,000 deaths would matter to most people btw. it's just the economy

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Normally I would agree, but think of how effective a marketing/advertising strategy of "blood on his hands" etc. is/will be? If the deaths continue to pile up and the "hot spots" become more widespread, eventually almost all of us will know someone who has died from the virus. The average person knows roughly 600 people. If the deaths eclipse 500k, which sadly seems possible much sooner than we're being lead to believe, we all likely will.

This is all of course based off of my own opinions, but basic observation shows that pretty much the only thing that has effectively stuck to Trump is the loss of life blame for mishandling this situation. Knowing someone that has died from it will put things into perspective for even the most loyal Trump zealot. This is more of a "wartime" like situation than any in my lifetime, and whether anyone wants to give him credit or not, the pre-virus economic boom is actually a selling point to post-virus recovery. The last few clips I've seen of Trump even have him using this as a talking point.

You guys are applying typical expected scenarios to a completely unprecedented situation.

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

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Originally Posted by blake

i don't even think 250,000 deaths would matter to most people btw. it's just the economy

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Normally I would agree, but think of how effective a marketing/advertising strategy of "blood on his hands" etc. is/will be? If the deaths continue to pile up and the "hot spots" become more widespread, eventually almost all of us will know someone who has died from the virus. The average person knows roughly 600 people. If the deaths eclipse 500k, which sadly seems possible much sooner than we're being lead to believe, we all will likely know at least one person that has died from the virus.

This is all of course based off of my own opinions, but basic observation shows that pretty much the only thing that has effectively stuck to Trump is the loss of life blame for mishandling this situation. Knowing someone that has died from it will put things into perspective for even the most loyal Trump zealot. This is more of a "wartime" like situation than any in my lifetime, and whether anyone wants to give him credit or not, the pre-virus economic boom is actually a selling point to post-virus recovery. The last few clips I've seen of Trump even have him using this as a talking point.

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If you are suggesting the economy is not going to drive the outcome of the election, it really would be the first time in history. The only exception is the end of FDR's first term, but he got a pass since he inherited everything from Hoover. FTR, nobody really knows anyone that is healthy that died of the virus. MAYBE someone had had a grandparent at the age of 87 who perished, but I think most will surmise they would have died from something else anyway. I just don't see anyone except the extreme left blaming Trump for the virus, and that is easy to squash since Biden, Pelosi and De-Blassio dismissed the virus in February, on record. The only guy that really stood up and shouted was Tom Cotton in January, and he was branded a racist by MSNBC, he will likely be the top Presidential candidate in 2024.

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

You guys are applying typical expected scenarios to a completely unprecedented situation.

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Only weak kneed are hyperventilating. NYC has clamed dramatically, the rest of the nation will follow in June and July. Look at the stock market, it's down only 20% from it's all time highs. For whatever reason you have a sense of panic, but the big money is pretty calm in all this, they are forecasting airplanes and hotels will be full this time next year. Critically old and morbidly obese should not be travelling anyway, that who this affects by and large.

i just don’t think 250,000 deaths is enough to register. too many people still won’t personally know anyone that dies. at about a million deaths, those ads showing that trump thought the virus would miss us might start to make people think he’s the wrong guy for the job

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

You guys are applying typical expected scenarios to a completely unprecedented situation.

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hey I’ve admitted i have zero clue how this is going to play out. i don’t even have a side I’m leaning to.

also bottomset convinced me to lose $325 on Roy Moore a few years ago, which he still hasn’t apologized for, so my predictions are awful

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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This was from Reade's ex in 1996 when he filed his response to the restraining order against him. This is an odd filing in itself. Why tell this story in response to a restraining order filed against you?

Note that this says "sexual harassment in Joe Biden's office", and not by Joe Biden, which could be a very notable difference.

Regardless, between the mom's phone call to CNN, this story Tara told to her ex in the mid-90s, and the neighbor who remembers hearing a story in 1995 about Biden harassing her, Reade at least has been saying that Joe Biden sexually harassed her for the past 27 years. Maybe she made it up, maybe she's exaggerating, maybe she's only recently exaggerating for attention, and maybe it's all true. But this isn't something she just invented in 2020.

More on this: https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/p...242527331.html

Oh, and then there's this weirdness regarding Biden's request to the Senate to disclose information about any records of this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...reject-request

The Senate rejected this request, claiming they have "no discretion to disclose such information". Huh?? So this obviously makes it look suspicious that Biden perhaps already knew this, and went through the motions requesting the information, only to feign surprise when the request was rejected.

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The hosts of The Hill’s “Rising” show are making some coge hay out of this latest revelation.


https://youtu.be/GFuvHzzh1i4

 

Bernie 2020!

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Originally Posted by tgull

The only thing that is keeping Joe Biden in this race is the virus. Everyone knows he did this, and it would consume the news if not for the virus. What a trainwreck of a nominee. Gee, let's nominate a guy battling dementia who looks like he is 90, now a predator. He would absolutely be shelved if not for COVID-19. This story is not going away, and people are already getting virus fatigue so come August this will be a major issue. This story has legs for the sole reason the Dems made such horse's asses out of themselves during the Kavanaugh hearings. There is absolutely zero enthusiasm for Joe Biden, he is the worst candidate since Michael Dukakis, and that says a lot because Dukakis was flat out awful.

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Even if the whole thing is true Trump is still 100x the predator that Biden is.

Trump also has worse dementia.

Finally, you're an idiot. Go put your face in a toilet.

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Originally Posted by tgull

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Normally I would agree, but think of how effective a marketing/advertising strategy of "blood on his hands" etc. is/will be? If the deaths continue to pile up and the "hot spots" become more widespread, eventually almost all of us will know someone who has died from the virus. The average person knows roughly 600 people. If the deaths eclipse 500k, which sadly seems possible much sooner than we're being lead to believe, we all will likely know at least one person that has died from the virus.

This is all of course based off of my own opinions, but basic observation shows that pretty much the only thing that has effectively stuck to Trump is the loss of life blame for mishandling this situation. Knowing someone that has died from it will put things into perspective for even the most loyal Trump zealot. This is more of a "wartime" like situation than any in my lifetime, and whether anyone wants to give him credit or not, the pre-virus economic boom is actually a selling point to post-virus recovery. The last few clips I've seen of Trump even have him using this as a talking point.

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If you are suggesting the economy is not going to drive the outcome of the election, it really would be the first time in history. The only exception is the end of FDR's first term, but he got a pass since he inherited everything from Hoover. FTR, nobody really knows anyone that is healthy that died of the virus. MAYBE someone had had a grandparent at the age of 87 who perished, but I think most will surmise they would have died from something else anyway. I just don't see anyone except the extreme left blaming Trump for the virus, and that is easy to squash since Biden, Pelosi and De-Blassio dismissed the virus in February, on record. The only guy that really stood up and shouted was Tom Cotton in January, and he was branded a racist by MSNBC, he will likely be the top Presidential candidate in 2024.

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The economy will drive the outcome but the economy sucks right now and it will suck in the fall. Not Trump's fault, just the truth.

The markets might be ok but the markets are not the same as the actual economy, and everyday people who vote with their wallets will still be suffering.

Good people of PFA,

Let us be ever grateful that America has as its president the omniscient Donald J. Trump given how so very many things nobody knew!!!

https://youtu.be/7uUyiE0fzJ4