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Yea at the time it wasn't really clear what he had used. There were reports of legally modified semi-automatics, but there was a possibility of illegally modified/rebuilt semi-automatics, pre 1984 automatics and illegal automatics (stolen or imported).Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
you know, i had no idea what you were talking about with "bump-stocks," and now completely get what you were saying after seeing a ton of news articles on it the past day or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
apparently these are completely legal to buy (and cheap), can turn a semi-automatic assault rifle capable of shooting 50 shots a minute, into something that shoots 400-800 shots a minute.
so basically, it's a completely legal loophole to the machine gun ban and is apparently what the mandalay bay shooter used.
again -- our gun laws are a complete joke.
on the bright side, even GOP senators and newt gingrich have come out and said that this loophole needs to be closed. obv trump will do nothing though
Now it appears all he had was perfectly legal and most of it wasn't even acquired for this. Just a huge arsenal he had been building up at least a few years.
I think in total he had 12 semi-automatic assault rifles with bumb-stocks. Only few of them were at his hotel room. It cuts down a lot of time needed for premeditation when you have all these "tools" just lying around.
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Originally Posted by OldHosterThank you, I have been listening to the PodCast for a bit when I am traveling for work. Sometimes I get on forums sometimes I don't I get so tired of computers and the BS that it drives me BSC sometimes. I work in the high end IT industry and we often are approached with problems such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Now on fine tuning it so it would work with this, no frigging way! I think one of the only solutions to have this taken care of any quicker is a system such as http://www.shotspotter.com/ installed on the property, and then a quick dispatch team with local armed security. The problem with this is that he could have barricaded the door or something that they wouldn't have the explosive to open even with light weight det cord, then he would have had much more than the 10 minutes. I have used the system and it is amazing!
Disclaimer I am an engineer, so I do have some what of a leg up. I also know quite a large amount about weapons systems etc. Now what I am putting here is NOTHING that isn't available with just a quick DuckDuckGo/Google search.
I have a Dillion 1050 automatic press.
I also have a very high accuracy CNC mill and lathe.
With some raw materials none of which is ATF controlled or background checked. I could easily build 4-5 rifles and 5,000-10,000 rounds that were smaller and much more effective. I wouldn't have used bump stocks but built the rifles using something off of the M4, M249 type platform. If I was doing suppressed and wanted to be very destructive I would use a 300 blackout round. With full auto sears, selectors, and suppressors (much higher rate of fire that is somewhat quite)!
How long and how much money? I could do the builds in 3-5 days maximum if I wasn't in a hurry. The Ammo while watching TV, I can produce over 1,000 rounds an hour. If I was in a hurry I could do it in 24 hours or less and lay down far more fire than he did. The cost, depending on speed how done etc 800-20k. I could even rent a machine to do it if I wanted to.
Tell me how that bill would help with someone determined? I have the plans to build a very large amount of firearms that are already CAD/CAM'd. All I need is some steel, piano wire, and aluminum.
Now if the guy wanted to be a real ass what he would have done is built up 150-200 lb's of Tannerite. I can buy everything from CVS to do this and do it in an hour or two. Then put that down and shoot the damn thing with an air rifle at the entrance or where people were running. If I was going to kill myself anyway and didn't give a crap I would put much more in a car, pull it near the gate and set it. Makes a huge boom. There are options that could have been much more powerful than Tannerite detonation and he was already on the road to some of those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99w08bYL6yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz4NHho47iI
He also could have used something like a .50 BMG and popped an aircraft on approach or take off from that location. That would have made a massive mess, much bigger than this. Do this with a few hours practice/training, M82-A1 20" barrel and in a very short time he could have set off 20-30 rounds at aircraft. These rounds will take up to a 737 down with correctly placed rounds when they are on approach or departure. I also have the capability to build this type of system up just would take me a day or two longer, but could be done from raw materials.
There are SO many more ways to do this MUCH cheaper than what he did, and with so many options as to what could have been worse. You can't legislate will away once someone like this puts their minds to it. Also metal detectors wouldn't have worked in a situation such as this as he has TIME to get just a couple of them up piece by piece, and the time to get the ammo up there.
simmer down nerd.
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BEST SHOW ON USA IN THE PAST 10 YEARS
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This seems more plausible than he just snapped one day.
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This seems more plausible than he just snapped one day.
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Sheriff: Do you think this was all accomplished on his own? Maybe he was a super guy. We don't think so. We presume he must have had help.
NOOOOOO No No the 62 yr old had stamina like a Thourobred he ran from 1 corner of the suite to the other in seconds. The Blue neon light flashing was not muzzle flashes.The flash was WHITE. The blue neon blinking was on way after it all stopped. The smoke from the WHITE muzzle flashes were not real..Just recorded from people with cell phones being shot at....I assaume CGI....<<<Lol.. The Gut shot echoes donot come from both sides almost at the same time...Yes they do
....A security guard was not shot..yes He was....The guy drove 2 cars to the parking garage clearly he does magic illusions too....Some of us jump on youtube as things happen hopefully seeing real life video by bystanders or maybe victims recording REAL SHIT..Unlike some that glue their face to main stream news on tv,,,And yes this all happened that I've typed,.........Carry on Todd the tinfoilers await the Truth.... do tell us
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He was there to play, not to party. The night before the shooting, Mr. Paddock made two complaints to the hotel about noise coming from his downstairs neighbors: Albert Garzon, a restaurant owner visiting from San Diego, and his wife and friends. Mr. Garzon, who was staying in 31-135, directly beneath Mr. Paddock, said security guards knocked on his door around 1:30 a.m. on Sunday and asked him to turn down his music, country songs. When he asked where the complaint was coming from, pointing out that the nearest rooms on either side were far away, the security guard said, “It’s the guest above you.”
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Mr. Paddock was also a “starer,” Mr. Weinreich said.
“He loved to stare at other people playing,” he said. “It was not a good thing because it would make other VIPs in the high-limit area uncomfortable.”
“One of my guests once said to me, ‘He really gives me the creeps.’”
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Mr. Paddock was in the high-limit room at Mandalay Bay last Thursday night, playing a machine that allowed him to bet $100 with each deal of the virtual cards. Nearby, another customer hit a big hand and rose excitedly from his chair. He recalled how his enthusiasm caused Mr. Paddock to pause and turn.
“What’d you hit?” Mr. Paddock asked.
“A royal flush,” the man said.
“Good job,” Mr. Paddock replied. And he went back to playing.
can we talk about how i hear virtually no sirens in any of the videos?
not that ive been watching many of them mind you honestly, im 10+ minutes into a shooting video and i hear virtually nothing except the narraters voice, still no police sirens.
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Boooom! Anytime something just doesn't make any sense remember this. Over and over and over and over I've noticed this link. From Jesse Wellens mom killing herself to a rockstar committing suicide at the pinnacle of their career.
What's behind all these returning servicemen killing themselves? I think it's the psych meds prescribed to treat PTSD and any other ailments.
Big pharma buys so many ads during the news shows this rarely gets the coverage it deserves. Since mostly white people are killed by opioids and psych med related deaths, what's not to like? Right Sonatine.
Yes white genocide is real and it's no coinincidence that there's nothing being done to stop the opioid epidemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giSxRqCe7Ok
So yea, this shooting deserves a big Thank You to Citizens United and the White Genocide project!
Case closed.
Factoid: 91 mostly white people die everyday from Opioids, not a problem.
I watched multiple videos and no sirens but the police dispatch audio is good info including Dispatch saying possible Multiple Shooters on the 4th floor...........................
Heres your race horse Alot of stamina very fitt man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD7VOuv9lJ8
We've all heard the phrase, the product of their environment, and there is a lot to be proud of if you are a U.S. citizen but it is not a constant or a right
Plain and simple your country does more harm than good.
Kill yourselves in theatres or food courts, no one else cares.
I dunno. I don't think so. Alot of gamblers gamble to escape reality. Like a drug. He enjoyed playing, and was in the casino already. Kinda makes sense to go mash buttons to relax and get yer mind off terror for a few hours.Quote:
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Anything makes for than him just snapping one day. This was to cold and calculated and planned out too far ahead for it to just be a case of a dude snapping. Like 0% chance of that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by sonatine
This seems more plausible than he just snapped one day.
Soooo are we going to call this guy a terrorist ?
It’s a rhetorical question
Not trying to get cute here but the artist directed to is a Las Vegas native.https://youtu.be/0XoGrh9eL9Y
At this point, he's technically not a terrorist, just a mass murderer. Terrorism requires a motive.Quote:
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eventually, when we are done enjoying how bummed the trumpards are about him being white.Quote:
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also yes he clearly did his homework but the mental gymnastics people are doing to pretend this guy is either part of a vast and sophisticated team or lex fucking luther are tiresome.
terrorist bernie bro like the scalise shooter -200
LegallyNonBindingShit +1000
What do you people think happened that couldn't be accomplished by one moderately intelligent person? People are acting like the hallway webcam thing was some James Bond move, but it really wasn't. As I think someone else mentioned, it greatly increased his chances of getting caught before the shooting. Setting off the smoke detector was also pretty dumb. I assume he had never fired those guns indoors before.
ISIS clearly wants us to think they were involved. They take credit for pretty much every murder everywhere. They released the standard bullshit this week, and everyone in the evidence-based community dismissed it. All ISIS needs to do is release some verifiable detail of their involvement, and then everyone will believe them. If anyone in ISIS had information like that, why would they keep it to themselves?
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Originally Posted by DirtyBAt this point, he's technically not a terrorist, just a mass murderer. Terrorism requires a darker skin tone.Quote:
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I think its more of an emotional response than an intellectual one at this point. Its not that they cant believe he did it without a ton of support, its that they cant afford to believe it.
Because once the public opens the Pandora's box of prosumer level asymmetrical warfare and takes a good, long, cool gander at whats inside, our world will absolutely change for the much, much worse.
Dude, im DEEP in the rabbit hole.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
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Im WAY past thinking incompetent over payed fat government employees have the ability to pull off nefarious covert plots.
Think more like loose coalition of secret offsite groups that work in conjunction with double and tripple agents who also work for intelligence agencies yada yada yada, it's all shades of grey.
It's cute to see fps think one dimensional, it reminds me of my highschool days when i just thought in that crazy dual paradigm, were good they're bad, very libtardish.
Wait a minute UYou assume we think ISIS did this....Ok thats more laughable..... 3-4 people not Including the bitch that flew out of us......By the way when did she fly out???? 3-4 gunmen from usa that planned this for weeks.........My Theory....LMAO Fuck the ISIS Bullshit
And it be very Interesting if dan bilzerian could be on tonights broadcast...Not that I admire the Dipshit but he was there right??????? Whats his opinion hes fired enough atomatics
The point is that I'm not calling him a terrorist, because he's not one. And I have no problem calling white people terrorists.Quote:
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And i fucking hate the fast and the furious, that's just insulting.
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