Vitor is a counter-puncher. He was waiting for a punch to counter, as he always does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sah_24
That front kick was luls, idk wtf vitor was trying to doQuote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
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Vitor is a counter-puncher. He was waiting for a punch to counter, as he always does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sah_24That front kick was luls, idk wtf vitor was trying to doQuote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
UFC 225 looks pretty decent. I dk how they got any buys for this card.
UFC 224 was so bad but had a few decent finishes. It was nice seeing Machida going old school against his fellow countryman and juicer.
Bellator's free card with the Bader and Pico finishes was alright for what it is.
I felt bad for Pennington in the main event... Nunes was kicking her ass for 4 rounds, and going into the 5th she told her corner she'd had enough (plus a smashed nose taboot)... her corner made her go back out in the 5th to fnish the ass-whooping. I knew it's the corner's job to motivate their fighter, but there was ZERO way she was gonna win the fight... they are their to protect them as well
Had to be some sort of bonus in her contract from UFC if she went the distance. Her nose was broken and her corner told her to man up and go finish. WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by WSPreadHead
Throwing in the towel/quitting is looked frowned upon in MMA that fighters, coaches just don't want do it....esp in a title fight. And while granted MMA its fair share of "one time shot" comebacks by beaten fighters, more often than not, they KO/kicked the shit out it even more than they should have, that it effects future performances in their career.
There is no shame (minus the trolls) when a boxer's corner, or a boxer, throws in the towel. Because people have died from that shit; no one had in big MMA yet, so the culture continues until there's a case where it goes too far.
regarding the corner controversy, i mean, a lot of those dudes kinda feel like their jobs are in jeopardy if they dont be that guy whose the eye of the tiger soundtrack 24/7.
It might be protocol but she was drawing completely dead to win - I think a go-the-distance incentive is logical but I am def clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by SidewinderIt might be protocol but she was drawing completely dead to win - I think a go-the-distance incentive is logical but I am def clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
to my knowledge there is no such bonus/incentive, fwiw.
Can we discuss Paige VanZant boob job for a minute?
http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/23/paige-vanzant-boob-job/
https://images.tmz.com/2018/05/23/05...nt-insta-2.jpg
indeed, no organization would EVER pay extra for fights that go to the judges. literal last thing anyone wants out of a fight, short of a no contest.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sidewinder
to my knowledge there is no such bonus/incentive, fwiw.
Report: Nick Diaz in custody on alleged domestic violence charges in Las Vegas
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/5/2...source=twitter
This Bellator 200 card has been alright.
Michael "Venom" Page is so entertaining to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w06pXWUFsi0
Interesting Wonderboy is pick. He's 11 years older but his strength of schedule is pretty strong. The longer it goes he's got to become a bigger favorite. Thompson acquitted himself so well against Tyron, I am really surprised he's not -140 or so. Looking forward to it...
did anyone watch today?
Main event results were pretty controversial. Imagine if Mayweather fought himself and trying to figure out who won.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps
I think the logic behind 3 judges that don't know anything about mixed martial arts is it creates controversy and good for rematches. The problem a lot of people get fucked along the way and rematches might take 1 year + to happen.
Wonderboy almost for sure got home cooked to some degree.
https://twitter.com/JohnMcCarthyMMA/...36332514504704
Seems pros are split on who won, it was a fucking close fight. Wonderboy landed more shots, Till controlled the ring and landed the single best shot of the fight. I scored the fight a draw, there was no robbery here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SidewinderMain event results were pretty controversial. Imagine if Mayweather fought himself and trying to figure out who won.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps
I think the logic behind 3 judges that don't know anything about mixed martial arts is it creates controversy and good for rematches. The problem a lot of people get fucked along the way and rematches might take 1 year + to happen.
Wonderboy almost for sure got home cooked to some degree.
https://twitter.com/JohnMcCarthyMMA/...36332514504704
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
From what I can see, waaaay more pros think wonderboy won. Yes Till landed the best strike of the fight, but that only wins you 1 round at best (the last round, at that), and controlling the ring isn't a judging criteria unless literally all the striking and grappling are exactly equal, which they never are. Its very hard to watch the first 3 rounds and think Till won any of them, IMO.
Hard not to agree with Big John here, in the tweet sidewinder posted. He literally says that ring control isn't a thing that wins you a round (you have to understand that by now, despite the years of Goldie talking about "octagon control"), and you use it to say Till was winning. That's not how its supposed to work.
i checked out the media scores at mmadecisions, and they have 22 card with Wonderboy winning, 3 with Till, and those 3 were 48-47. The 49-46 scores were about as bad as scores get.
It's easy to say Till won the fight, but the scoring system of judging each round separately just does not support it. PRIDE rules, maybe. Unified rules? I can't see it.
Round by round how did you score it? I had it a dead draw. Looking through the post fight tweets seemed a lot more learned towards Wonderboy as you mentioned, a lot of the fighters thought it was tough to call and a few also had it for Till. I watched the fight a second time today and found every round but the fifth tough to score.Quote:
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
From what I can see, waaaay more pros think wonderboy won. Yes Till landed the best strike of the fight, but that only wins you 1 round at best (the last round, at that), and controlling the ring isn't a judging criteria unless literally all the striking and grappling are exactly equal, which they never are. Its very hard to watch the first 3 rounds and think Till won any of them, IMO.
Hard not to agree with Big John here, in the tweet sidewinder posted. He literally says that ring control isn't a thing that wins you a round (you have to understand that by now, despite the years of Goldie talking about "octagon control"), and you use it to say Till was winning. That's not how its supposed to work.
i checked out the media scores at mmadecisions, and they have 22 card with Wonderboy winning, 3 with Till, and those 3 were 48-47. The 49-46 scores were about as bad as scores get.
It's easy to say Till won the fight, but the scoring system of judging each round separately just does not support it. PRIDE rules, maybe. Unified rules? I can't see it.
The one positive I take away from the fight is the hope that Wonderboys boring fights are moved to the prelims. The guy is likable and all class but other than a few highlight reel strikes his fights are as boring as they get.
I thought the fight was close and wouldn't mind a rematch. If I had to pick a side I leaned towards Wonderboy with cleaner better hits but can respect the octagon control Till argument for TIll.
The few pounds over weight Till was didn't make a difference in the fight but he shouldn't be rewarded for it because weight cuts are part of the fight game regardless of what life issues you might run into.
I also thought rounds were tough enough to score that octagon control played a factor in the scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I don't want to see that fight again. I don't want to see Wonderboy vs Woodley again either. There's some interesting fights in that division without Thompson in there that have potential for a lot of excitement.
I figured it was first 4 for wonderboy, last for till. Looks like plenty of people gave till round 2, I can get with that, in hindsight.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Found this to be a good analysis of the fight and its judging. Emphasizes how low output the guys were, how little there actually was to be judged, and focuses on round 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_azZZnGX-r4
Will check it out tomorrow, have a sleeping wife beside me right now. What fights do you want to see in the WW division? I'd like to see the winner of RDA/Covington take on Woodley. Till vs Lawler is a nice fight on paper although I don't think Lawler is what he used to be and it's a great fight for the UFC to build Till up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyI figured it was first 4 for wonderboy, last for till. Looks like plenty of people gave till round 2, I can get with that, in hindsight.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Found this to be a good analysis of the fight and its judging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_azZZnGX-r4
I should rephrase what I meant since it came out wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilI also thought rounds were tough enough to score that octagon control played a factor in the scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I don't want to see that fight again. I don't want to see Wonderboy vs Woodley again either. There's some interesting fights in that division without Thompson in there that have potential for a lot of excitement.
Because I think Wonderboy perhaps didn't get a fair share here I'm okay with a rematch but it's not a fight I'm wanting to see again either.
It's one of those weird situations of where do we go from here?
If they do fight again hopefully it's not for 2 to 3 years.
Yeah, purely based on the spirit of competition Wonderboy still seems like a top 3 guy and really deserves to be in those big WW fights. He's just too boring and I think the UFC will take the opportunity to give Till a push and make Wonderboy fight some lower top 10 guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerI should rephrase what I meant since it came out wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Because I think Wonderboy perhaps didn't get a fair share here I'm okay with a rematch but it's not a fight I'm wanting to see again either.
It's one of those weird situations of where do we go from here?
If they do fight again hopefully it's not for 2 to 3 years.
Cliffs in case you missed the fight:
New one for me:
Anyone catch tonight bare knuckle event? Reading nothing but rave reviews on the UG. Sounds like they will attract some names.
I caught most of it, was pretty fun. Plenty of people you recognized from UFC & Bellator, even if it was someone like Johnny Bedford. As soon as 1 fight ended, the next guys were ready to enter the ring. 2 minute rounds, and most fights didn't go more than 2 rounds, and only 1 fight seemed like a guy took a dive. Eric Prindle got knocked out with 1 punch, which seemed much better than the hundreds of nutshots that usually happen in his fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps
Last night was the first night of a tourney, they said something like the next round is in September.
Punk and Cabana win lawsuit spawned from his appearance on podcast
The PFL is on tonight, as far as I know it is their first broadcast on their way to losing millions and millions of dollars this year.
Some great UFC fights on Saturday, but a bunch that probably shouldn't be happening. Rashad Evans, Clay Guida and Joe B all on the early prelims, Ubereem on free TV despite making almost half a million even when he loses, and CM Punk and Andrei Arlovski both on the main card.
LOL well Yoel's dream of becoming a champion in UFC is gone after this.
Crowe Diddy.. Any idea what odds site / app that is? Thanks
Some decent fights on this undercard I hope the PPV can deliver.
Whittaker just said his hands busted. Holy shit...
That last round should have been 10-8. But you have to beat the champ. Whittaker not going out was impressive. At least twice I thought he was done.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
That was a damn good fight but I have it as a draw after a 10-8 5th for romero
The UFC judges are awesome. The fighters barely get paid vis a vis every other elite athlete in the world. Comparatively, they fight for free. The only elite athletes that make less are the American Ninja Warriors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erin Micunt
Then they ** really * fuck them with random number generators they call judges.
I love the sport ibut t's obvious the random number generators are perceived by ownership to be good for business because it sets up rematches but it's so larcenous and dishonest and unethical I can't believe these stupid fucking fighters go for it every weekend.