My kids learned about Parkland today at school.
After dinner my 9yo climbed onto my lap & asked if we own guns. I told her the truth. We have a bunch.
She started crying & said “Why haven’t you taken me to the range yet, you faggot?”
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My kids learned about Parkland today at school.
After dinner my 9yo climbed onto my lap & asked if we own guns. I told her the truth. We have a bunch.
She started crying & said “Why haven’t you taken me to the range yet, you faggot?”
I wasn't claiming the teenagers were unwitting puppets. Most of them are working towards an agenda they believe in. I just was arguing I found the whole theatre aspect of it absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
Bruh, do you even understand teenagers? No random square from MSM is going to sway a teenager, their own parents can't even get them to brush their teeth half the time. These aren't 6 year old kids, they're full blown teenagers and they're angry. They want something done and MSM is giving them a voice.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
Stop trying to make this out like they're being used to push agenda, these teens have the same agenda anyway.
Political theatre is essential to galvanizing support from an otherwise apathetic public.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardI wasn't claiming the teenagers were unwitting puppets. Most of them are working towards an agenda they believe in. I just was arguing I found the whole theatre aspect of it absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
Fair enough. Sonatine more or less said the same thing. Maybe this will be you two someday.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyPolitical theatre is essential to galvanizing support from an otherwise apathetic public.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
Holy shit:
Speaking at a press conference, Broward Sheriff Scott Israel said the on duty officer at Stoneman "never went in." Israel said he was "devastated" after watching the video showing the deputy taking a position outside the Western side of Building 12 while shots rang out, "and he never went in" despite having a clear view of the entrance.
"I think he remained outside upwards of four minutes," Israel said.
The uniformed officer, identified as Scot Peterson, was been suspended without pay pending an investigation, according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel - however he has since resigned and retired from the department.
"As is his right, Scot Peterson chose to resign, because he has the necessary time with the agency and meets the requirements of retirement, he resigned and retired."
"We're not going to disclose the video at this time, and we may never disclose the video depending on the prosecution and the criminal case."
"These families lost their children, we lost coaches. I've been to the funerals. I've been to the homes where they're sitting shiva. I've been to the vigils. It's just, there are no words."
When asked by a reporter what the deputy should have done, the Sheriff replied "Went in. Address the killer. Kill the killer."
So there was a fucking armed police officer at the school before and during the shooting and the mother faker did nothing, while coaches and kids sacrificed themseleves to protect other students.
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Originally Posted by Charham
Welcome to Trump's America.
Really? You guys dont think this fatass wanna-be Rambo isnt the quintessential Trumptard coward?
Fuck outta here.
Anyone have a picture of the coward of broward?
What we have here is a Cop who in a big moment chose cowardice.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
It's not a Trump Thing. It's not an Obama thing. It's just a self evident happening.
gryffindor got -1 point for bringing politics where it didn't need to be.
I am refreshing heavy.com as we speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Let’s face it a cop that spends a career as a school resource officer isn’t exactly at the top of the food chain of law enforcement. I can’t wait to see the fat fuck. He gets his pension and better get the fuck out of town. Asshole.
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Tellafriend: neither are better than a 5.5
Is 5.5 the perfect size or something? Is it all about length? What if it has pencil like thickness?
I'm not judging you for that so don't take it wrong because honestly that's probably just your wiring and it's out of your control. I, on the other hand, am wired to like young hot chicks and moms that like to watch their young hot chick daughters get banged out, and I certainly wouldn't want anyone judging me for that.
I haven't spent more than two seconds looking into any of this crisis actor nonsense from the right wing kooks. Then I noticed one of the more knowledgeable, no nonsense progressives talking about this stuff. I was sure I'd see a ton of thumbs down, nope 518 thumbs up vs 5 thumbs down. That's incredible, progressives don't go for this Alex Jones crap esp when it comes to mass shootings.
I'm 25 min in and all I got to say is question everything folks. There's no claims that this is a phony event but beware there's quite a few powerful corporations that have people with security clearances who set up these type of scenarios, they'll provide fake cadavers, they have employees that are real amputees etc. Congress's 2012 repeal or passage (not sure) of the NDAA made it legal to run propaganda on Americans, fuck me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKffDI0SrdY
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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Ummm Trump is President so Alex Jones will say whatever he says. There is no way Jones can possibly say this was acted out with crisis actors like Sandy Hook if the President is on Twitter calling Nick Cruz a coward. He basically has to say it's real. I don't have to go to Infowars.com to know that.
If Obama was President Jones would be saying Cruz is a patcy totally Mk Ultrad out of his mind with some scopolamine blown in his face just to make sure. Jones would be screaming from the roof tops to show him one video of Cruz near the school. He'd be screaming for one student to positively ID him as the trigger man. He'd be demanding proof of anyone even dying. He'd be demanding to hear something or anything from Cruz him self. He'd be freaking out over the security guard seeing Cruz getting out of the Uber car and doing nothing. He'd be freaking out over Alexa Miednik saying she talked to him in the Senior Building when all the shooting was done in the Freshman building. He'd be freaking out over Cruz walking his robot chicken Sirhan Sirhan more like BoyHan BoyHan ass across the entire campus getting passed the droves of cops, military and FBI and chilling at Wal-Mart, then Subway, then McDonalds before getting nabbed on his walk back home 90 minutes later with the most confused look as to why the cops were fucking with him of all time. He'd be freaking out about at least 50 other things as well.
But since Trump is President what can he even really say besides derp derp FBI should have prevented this, derp derp the democrats blah blah blah, prescription drugs are bad mmkay, gun free zones bad mmkay, and that David "Boss" Hogg and the rest of the child stars(who were at/near a real event) are being helped along in their talking points by CNN. That is such a nothing. Who on Earth cares or would expect anything different. That isn't even close to the definition of a crisis actor. Jones is so handcuffed with Trump as President he must be bored out of gourd. The only thing that can give him a boner anymore is to think of all his fans he kept after doing a total about face on them when he sold everyone the tail of the Illuminati magicly losing control of this country when Trump was elected. That is quite a boner I will concede that but I can almost guarantee he had more fun doing it the old way. It's amazing that nowadays the Elite have an agenda they want to get out to certain segment of the population but they view it is too crazy for Jones to touch.
Do any of you actually know without doubt, what the second amendment means?
The more I try and educate myself on this, the more confused I become... even the experts and academics can not agree.
It's to give ppl the illusion that they can defend themselves from govt drone strikes and their ilk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
What are other ppl saying? I doubt it's to guarantee MIke Dentale the right to wear fucking tank tops.
Can we stop talking about boring stuff for a while and start hailing me as victor for calling it that @babymiednik would be the first witness of a mass shooting in US history that the media called a liar. I called this less than 30 minutes after her interview with @KHOUSportsMatt was posted to the internet.
Technically no one has called her a liar yet, but when you factor in her damning testimony of bullying/taunting Nikolas Cruz as shots rang out, and factor in it being nine days since the shooting without a peep about her from any form of media, I think this should be considered a win for me by default.
Plus my new years resolution was to start tooting my own horn where it made sense.
#toot
#toot
#toottoot
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Tellafriend: you are a lunatic
Fuck you. This was the sane post to make. The old sheboon woulda been like, "That's just the world trolling you, don't give them the satisfaction." I would have gone on to ignore it like I've ignored so many other things that literally ONLY INSANE people would even have the ability to ignore. Here I am simply tooting away at my horn like one of the boys over predicting a first in US history the way any sane person would and you come at me??? This is not some minor feat tellafriend. When you red rep history you out yourself as a hater.
#toottoot
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Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
it was originally designed to simply make sure that state militias had arms. nothing more, nothing less. and thats coming from a supreme court justice.
the nra and america's heartland have turned it into a hallmark card for gun sales since then.
It's coming from a supreme court justice LULZQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
it was originally designed to simply make sure that state militias had arms. nothing more, nothing less. and thats coming from a supreme court justice.
the nra and america's heartland have turned it into a hallmark card for gun sales since then.
List of quotes from founding fathers clarifying the intent of the 2'd amendment only applying to the MilitiaQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
it was originally designed to simply make sure that state militias had arms. nothing more, nothing less. and thats coming from a supreme court justice.
the nra and america's heartland have turned it into a hallmark card for gun sales since then.
None
List of quotes attributed to the founding fathers clarifing the 2'd amendment applies to the individual.
Too many to list - in the hundreds.
GTFO of here with this complete nonsense. You want to make a case that times have changed and the 2'd needs to be repealed that's one thing. To say the 2'd doesn't really mean what it says is some Alex Jones of the Left bullshit.
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Originally Posted by DalyList of quotes from founding fathers clarifying the intent of the 2'd amendment only applying to the MilitiaQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
None
List of quotes attributed to the founding fathers clarifing the 2'd amendment applies to the individual.
Too many to list - in the hundreds.
GTFO of here with this complete nonsense. You want to make a case that times have changed and the 2'd needs to be repealed that's one thing. To say the 2'd doesn't really mean what it says is some Alex Jones of the Left bullshit.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Second...s_Constitution
"The Gun Lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
Warren E. Burger, former Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, in Keene Sentinel, 11/26/1991.
Quick reminder folks; the guy whose a betting sharp is not only a constitutional law scholar, which is hardly surprising, but also better versed on constitutional law than a former Chief Justice.
Only at PFA.
Also, fuck your silly self Daly. Read a book instead of a spread one of these days.
-1400 you're out of your depths.
The way I read it, I agree with sonatine. Mainly because of the use of the word militia... but I'm not certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Daly
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Second...s_Constitution
"The Gun Lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
Warren E. Burger, former Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, in Keene Sentinel, 11/26/1991.
Quick reminder folks; the guy whose a betting sharp is not only a constitutional law scholar, which is hardly surprising, but also better versed on constitutional law than a former Chief Justice.
Only at PFA.
Also, fuck your silly self Daly. Read a book instead of a spread one of these days.
-1400 you're out of your depths.
The second amendment needs to be clarified and brought up to date, before any meaningful discussion can take place.
also daly just had an awful take regarding the super bowl. pretty sure he said the eagles under was a lock so guy just can't be trustedQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Daly
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Second...s_Constitution
"The Gun Lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
Warren E. Burger, former Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, in Keene Sentinel, 11/26/1991.
Quick reminder folks; the guy whose a betting sharp is not only a constitutional law scholar, which is hardly surprising, but also better versed on constitutional law than a former Chief Justice.
Only at PFA.
Also, fuck your silly self Daly. Read a book instead of a spread one of these days.
-1400 you're out of your depths.
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Originally Posted by Salty_AusThe way I read it, I agree with sonatine. Mainly because of the use of the word militia... but I'm not certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The second amendment needs to be clarified and brought up to date, before any meaningful discussion can take place.
Zero point zero chance the GOP will ever allow anyone to 'bring a section of the constitution up to date' given their ironclad allegiance to the NRA and full blown weirdos like libertarians, who also happen to be hyper-zealous pro-life Christian fruitbats. Basically, misinterpreting the constitution while 'defending' it against modification is woven into the DNA of America's right wing.
Until this happens, nothing will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
Zero point zero chance the GOP will ever allow anyone to 'bring a section of the constitution up to date' given their ironclad allegiance to the NRA and full blown weirdos like libertarians, who also happen to be hyper-zealous pro-life Christian fruitbats. Basically, misinterpreting the constitution while 'defending' it against modification is woven into the DNA of America's right wing.
For the record I'm a Libertarian at heart, but I realize it's only an idealistic fantasy that would never work.
i took one of those online political profile tests and scored super libertarian but then you look at actual libertarians and they dont give a shit about anything but the bible and the constitution.
whatever libertarianism was, at this point its pure hyper-right GOP nonsense.
Florida House of Reps. did some work this week.
Rep Spanos blocked HB 219 from moving out of committee for 2 years. HB 219 would have required a debate in the House on banning the sale of assault weapons. No vote, no action, just a debate.
Rep Ross Spano also moved his bill HR 157 to the floor where it passed. Titled; A resolution recognizing the public health risk created by pornography.
http://flhouse.gov/Sections/Document...7&Session=2018
And somewhere in there they also passed this gem.
Lawmakers researching porn is always a popular pastime. And god's name in a prominent place will provide all the protection necessary for those punks. now lets get to that porn study.
Daly, you can bring an AK on a plane the same as any legal firearm. At check-in you inform the agent that there is a gun in your checked luggage. I always flew with a sidearm and plenty of hunters fly with their rifles in the belly of the plane.
I'm more of a classic Libertarian. Yes, this modern right wing stuff is total nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Let's take the word of one Supreme Court justice and take his word over scores of other justices who disagreed with him.... or you know let's see what the people who were involved with writing the damn thing and getting it passed had to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
it was originally designed to simply make sure that state militias had arms. nothing more, nothing less. and thats coming from a supreme court justice.
the nra and america's heartland have turned it into a hallmark card for gun sales since then.
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Thomas Jefferson
"When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually.”. . . I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people" - George Mason
"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” - Sam Adams
"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves . . . and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms… The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle." Richard Henry Lee
"The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” - James Madison
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” - Tench Coxe
"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States." - Noah Webster
"If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." Alexander Hamilton
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies." - George Washington
I hear you though - these guys probably didn't all mean what they said.
And again - not to say it's not time for a change But let's not ignore what the second amendment is.
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Originally Posted by DalyLet's take the word of one Supreme Court justice and take his word over scores of other justices who disagreed with him.... or you know let's see what the people who were involved with writing the damn thing and getting it passed had to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Thomas Jefferson
"When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually.”. . . I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people" - George Mason
"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” - Sam Adams
"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves . . . and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms… The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle." Richard Henry Lee
"The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” - James Madison
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” - Tench Coxe
"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States." - Noah Webster
"If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." Alexander Hamilton
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies." - George Washington
I hear you though - these guys probably didn't all mean what they said.
And again - not to say it's not time for a change But let's not ignore what the second amendment is.
Coge but I'm uncomfortable with discounting a totally reasonable contemporary opinion because a bunch of ancient honkeys felt that everyone should have access to a 'weapon' that at point blank range had the capability of killing one person every 45 seconds or so, providing those people were knocked unconscious.
And that's something everyone should agree on. The 2'd doesn't guarantee a right to 14 year old wielding a mass killing machine he just picked up at Walmart with no background check.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Coge but I'm uncomfortable with discounting a totally reasonable contemporary opinion because a bunch of ancient honkeys felt that everyone should have access to a 'weapon' that at point blank range had the capability of killing one person every 45 seconds or so, providing those people were knocked unconscious.
Living most of my life in liberal cities in a very liberal state you sometimes forget the rest of the country is literally like that. I remember not too long ago we were driving through the desert (still in California, but not really near any major population hubs), and we stopped at a Big 5 and were surprised that the first thing we saw when we walked in was the display case filled with assault rifles (I am sure someone is going to come in and argue they weren't technically assault rifles, and they are probably right, but you get the point).Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyAnd that's something everyone should agree on. The 2'd doesn't guarantee a right to 14 year old wielding a mass killing machine he just picked up at Walmart with no background check.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Edit: In case this isn't obvious, anywhere near Los Angeles there is no guns being sold in places like Walmart and Big 5. I am guessing this is due to municipal laws.
Kids eating tide pods easily the best story of 2018 so far
Did you guys really do a second amendment debate? That might actually be worse that Zap saying that child drug mule deserved the most excruciating death I've ever read about.
here is the most I could find on the cowardly "resource" officer:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...223-story.html
this POS retires on $50k plus a year for life.
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Originally Posted by Charham
I heard they were looking into charges. I wouldnt count on a happy ending for him.
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Originally Posted by Charham
I remember when he killed his pregnant wife and they used a first name when referring to the fetus even though she was only like 7 months pregnant just to try to make him look bad. Don't believe everything you read.
holy shit it gets worse:
When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.