what the fuck happened to maia....
he gassed 6 minutes into this fucking fight, hes shooting singles on a wrestler every.. single... time... and his corner is giving him striking advice against an opponent who is outstriking him like 3-1.
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what the fuck happened to maia....
he gassed 6 minutes into this fucking fight, hes shooting singles on a wrestler every.. single... time... and his corner is giving him striking advice against an opponent who is outstriking him like 3-1.
And he almost bled out during the final seconds of the match.
It's in Brazil was he able to juice?
Covington may not make it out of Brazil alive.
Maia has had gas tank issues his entire career. His Kryptonite has always been guys with good wrestling. There's nothing in his skill set that was going to allow him to win that fight. Colby knew that when he asked for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Despite Covington winning that fight he isn't ready for Woodley. His stand-up is fucking sloppy as hell and his gas tank didn't look great either.
Is Machida coming out to the GoT theme?
Colby plays a ton of poker.
Time for Machida to call it a day. That chin is toast and the long break didn't help.
Woodly is going to make quick work of Colby, zero doubt.
I dont think its fair to go after Machida's chin because the likes of Brunson ko'd him btw. That's jus what Brunson does.
When Machida looks shit against someone who doesnt harvest souls on the reg, I'll be a lot closer to that sentiment.
a fighter who relied on being faster than the opponent and catching him mid-strike got older, got slower, got crushed a few times, then got 2 years off.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
edit: LOL, sorry, I honestly thought you were talking about Machida. I mis-read, and I blame it on Lew. And Bucky. And Sparty, and the shredded toys.
His last 3 fights he's been hurt to the head very badly. The brain doesn't recover well from that, especially in an older athlete.
there was once a maia who would solve that all through technique.
I think you intended this response to be directed at Machida? I agree, but I also feel like a stiff breeze hurt him in the fights vs both Romero and Rockhold. He slower, he doesn't pull the trigger on counters and his chin can't hold up. He has no business fighting anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddlya fighter who relied on being faster than the opponent and catching him mid-strike got older, got slower, got crushed a few times, then got 2 years off.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
There really hasn't been, he's never been able to solve the top tier fighters and specifically the top notch wrestlers. Maia doesnt have a double leg and you aren't taking any good wrestler down with a single or sneaky inside trips like he uses against guys like Masvidal.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
True, but I dare say his biggest issue is his gas tank. He's not the best in the weight class, but when he has to work for almost anything but back control, he's done by the middle of round 2. Lots of people cant beat woodley, or Munoz in his prime, but Colby was a challenge that was more than accomplishable, IMO. Old dog learns new tricks, but never mastered cardio, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Both Maia and Machida are masters of the style they chose. Neither ever mastered the styles that have come to be most important in present-day MMA.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
This was true before others solved Maia via tachnique. We know that for sure now.
I wonder why his cardio has always been dog shit? Perhaps he doesn't put in the work or just adrenaline dump? I thought Maia probably was going to look for a single leg then pull guard like he has so often in the past. Covington was just ready for it and would splay Maia's back leg and control the position. I honestly don't think I've ever seen Maia take a top wrestler down and Covington is a division one all american.
Covington is fun and I hope he refines his stand-up. I cheer against him but guys like him keep my interest. I don't think he's ready for Woodley or Wonderboy. I'd really like to see him fight Masvidal next.
after 25+ UFC fights, it can't possibly still be an adrenaline dump, at least as we traditionally know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Not a traditional takedown by any stretch, but his sub on Chael is a memory burned into my mind the same as things like Gonzaga head-kicking Cro-cop. I think we can consider Chael a top wrestler, but ymmv.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
I'm in for either fight.Quote:
I don't think he's ready for Woodley or Wonderboy. I'd really like to see him fight Masvidal next.
Yeah Chael is certainly top flight when it comes to wrestling. I don't remember the fight well but I'm guessing he pulled guard or had some sneaky inside leg trip on Chael then wrapped him up like a snake?
Edit - I just watched the fight on mma-core (great resource for old fights).
Basically drove sonnen to the cage, outside trip to top control when chael tried to rush forward, lands with right leg over chael's left shoulder, left leg under his right, rolled into a triangle, game over.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
So who does Covington fight next? In fact who does Woodley fight next? There doesn't seem to be an obvious contender? My guess is they may do the Covington vs Woodley fight? I'm always suspicious that the UFC coaches the fighters on their call outs. If they do that fight I think Woodley knocks him out, Covington isn't a hard target to connect with.
How do you guys see the GSP vs Bisping fight going? Sonnen had an interesting breakdown and he picked GSP to win the fight. He said despite the size difference GSP is significantly stronger and better technically. I think Bisping has a large toughness edge though.
Woodley has shoulder issues, probably looking at some sort of #1 contender fight coming up before he fights anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Hard to know. Does the size slow GSP down? Does the age or time off? Is Bisping old yet? More variables in this fight than most.Quote:
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the last gsp we saw would win a decision soundly. but that was a long time ago.
i think gsp -360 is the appropriate line because bisping is very, very good at exploiting the exploitable. thats literally the one thing i admire about bisping, if you give him a chance to end the fight, he grabs the gold ring every time.
but gsp is such a technically conservative fighter, i dont think hes going to ever really end up in trouble.
again tho... he fucking retired. hes been spending years fucking his boyfriend in a hottub and drinking expensive french wine and smoking that *good* weed with skarbowsky.
if he gasses, bisping is going to convert a td and put him on his back and absolutely end this.
GSP looks bloated and a bit weird leading into the fight. No clue if that's good or bad. Given Whittakers success staying small, fast and fit coming up to 185 from 170 I'm surprised GSP is putting on the weight. Perhaps it's a style specific strategy if he believes he has a large wrestling advantage. Just seems risky, you don't want to have cardio issues vs a cardio machine like Bisping.
You're right, hard fight to call based on all the unknowns but I'm gonna pick Bisping to get GSP out of there late in 4 or 5. I think his toughness and fitness will be the difference in later rounds.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
yeah i think the only way gsp avoids that fate is by being very, very successful with takedown -> top position in the first 2 rounds. like if he can spend 2 of every 3 minutes in top control, i think he can weather the 4th and 5th.
otherwise yeah, bispings just going to overwhelm him.
I think Bisping is going to win easily, I'm going to wager a Lamborghini on him.
LOL
it disappoints me that somehow, brazil never does a fucking thing despite being the mma death threat capital of the known universe.
Covington playing the heel is going to make him some money. Woodley has been calling him 'cotton fists' on Twitter all day which is also hilarious. I am starting to believe that's the fight the UFC is going to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
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Originally Posted by peter mcneilCovington playing the heel is going to make him some money. Woodley has been calling him 'cotton fists' on Twitter all day which is also hilarious. I am starting to believe that's the fight the UFC is going to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
I think Thompson makes more sense logically but if Thompson outpointed him, all they have done is legitimized Thompson v Woodley III which would be the absolute worst selling fight in mens MMA.
So yeah I think we could see Woodley next, because there is virtually no chance it would not end in a highlight reel KO and to some extent, take a bit of the stink off Woodley's brand.
That's how I see the fight going down as well, Woodley landing a huge right against Convingtons reckless and sloppy stand-up style.Quote:
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
I think Thompson makes more sense logically but if Thompson outpointed him, all they have done is legitimized Thompson v Woodley III which would be the absolute worst selling fight in mens MMA.
So yeah I think we could see Woodley next, because there is virtually no chance it would not end in a highlight reel KO and to some extent, take a bit of the stink off Woodley's brand.
Its as close to a mortal lock as we get in MMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilThat's how I see the fight going down as well, Woodley landing a huge right against Convingtons reckless and sloppy stand-up style.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Maia pieced Colby up for the first 200 seconds or so. Woodley will basically be committing legal aggravated manslaughter.
You guys seem to have a lot of faith in Woodley to put on an entertaining fight with Covington while I can easily see another snoozer happening. Woodley takes absolutely zero chances & has for a long, long time.
I think Covington is a hard guy to fight safe against. He recklessly presses forward. You might be right, perhaps Covington he will fight safe and we know for a fact Woodley will do the same thing given the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
I thought Rory MacDonald laid out a pretty good blue print to beat Woodley. He stayed in his face and threw a lot of volume. Woodley was so uncomfortable and almost seemed afraid. Covington might try to apply a similar pressure but his stand-up isn't refined and sharp like MacDonalds. I think Woodley will find a home for that right like he did vs Lawler.
"Woodley takes absolutely zero chances"
....against thompson.
he short circuited lawlers brain in under 200 seconds and also merc'd stun gun in half that.
Was there even a punch landed/thrown against Lawler before the KO. It was one the most boring 3 minutes(especially for a Lawler fight) & suddenly a punch landed. It was not on it's way to be FOTN is all I'm sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Look.. dont get me wrong, the last 50 minutes of Woodley's professional career are among the least impressive in the sports history, I'm not trying to minimize that.
But Colby will be the least talented & dangerous fighter he has faced since like early 2013.
I get it & agree that it has a chance to be a highlight reel KO but you guys seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that Woodley pulls the trigger & I'm just not convinced that happens at all.Quote:
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I thought the first Woodley - Wonderboy fight was quite good when it happened, probably even awesome. The 2nd fight wasn't obviously, but clear your mind and re-watch the one at UFC 205. It was anything BUT boring. The Robbie Lawlor fight didn't go long enough to be boring.
The 2nd wonderboy fight was plodding garbage compared to the first, and the Maia fight was always going to be boring, because that's how it is if you have a decent strategy against the guy.
Maia and Wonderboy were the best submission artist and best striker in the division, by a country mile. Colby is a recklessly flawed striker who is bred to move forward even when its not a good idea. He gon' die, and it won't take 5 rounds for it to happen.
How do you think the fight will playout? I just think Covington with his sloppy aggressive style gives opponents no choice but to stand in there and fight. I also think he will feel a lot safer engaging vs a guy that hasn't shown any knockout power vs a sniper like Wonderboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyI get it & agree that it has a chance to be a highlight reel KO but you guys seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that Woodley pulls the trigger & I'm just not convinced that happens at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by Hockey GuyI get it & agree that it has a chance to be a highlight reel KO but you guys seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that Woodley pulls the trigger & I'm just not convinced that happens at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The sport being what it is and Woodley being who he is, in a million years I'd never bet that you're wrong.
You may very well be right but I'd never discount the possibility that Woodley circles around waiting for Covington to do something while Covington circles around waiting for Woodley to do something & suddenly the round ends & everybody goes WTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilHow do you think the fight will playout? I just think Covington with his sloppy aggressive style gives opponents no choice but to stand in there and fight. I also think he will feel a lot safer engaging vs a guy that hasn't shown any knockout power vs a sniper like Wonderboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
Look I get that Covington's style is PERFECT for a counter striker which seems to be what Woodley wants to be but I'm positive Covington's coaches also knows that & will change it up to the point it MIGHT be a boring ass fight. It could happen, as could your scenario.